Metroid Prime 4: Beyond | Nintendo Direct

Reallink said:
Over 20 years on with over a decade of prototyping, I at the very least expected a GoW 2018 style reboot of the franchise, not an HD remaster rehash.
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Why would you reboot perfection?

And they tried that with Other M, nobody liked it. Then tried again with Federation Force fuckery. Finally someone smacked them upside the head, and they went to Prime 4 Dread, and Remastered.

You don't fuck with perfection.

It rarely exists, and when it does, everything is better.

I truly look forward to next year when the game is fully revealed and all the non-believers open their eyes.

A real GOTY is coming, not some fake ass Movie Shit. Not fucking Minecraft sorcery. Not fucking table top games reimagined. And not a damn remake.

The glorious return is upon us.
 
DKPOWPOW said:
Why would you reboot perfection?

And they tried that with Other M, nobody liked it. Then tried again with Federation Force fuckery. Finally someone smacked them upside the head, and they went to Prime 4 Dread, and Remastered.

You don't fuck with perfection.

It rarely exists, and when it does, everything is better.

I truly look forward to next year when the game is fully revealed and all the non-believers open their eyes.

A real GOTY is coming, not some fake ass Movie Shit. Not fucking Minecraft sorcery. Not fucking table top games reimagined. And not a damn remake.

The glorious return is upon us.
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I would have to agree with everything you've said. On all points. Well said
 
Killer8 said:
I wish I had that magic PS3 people had that could render a game with these visuals at 60fps.
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It's better than that generation, but at the same time does it look much better than this for being 12 years later. Double the frame rate sure. But the MP4 trailer looks entirely like it's running on Switch which is why I still hope they really make it look great on Switch 2 as a showcase launch title.

 
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DKPOWPOW said:
Why would you reboot perfection?

And they tried that with Other M, nobody liked it. Then tried again with Federation Force fuckery. Finally someone smacked them upside the head, and they went to Prime 4 Dread, and Remastered.

You don't fuck with perfection.

It rarely exists, and when it does, everything is better.

I truly look forward to next year when the game is fully revealed and all the non-believers open their eyes.

A real GOTY is coming, not some fake ass Movie Shit. Not fucking Minecraft sorcery. Not fucking table top games reimagined. And not a damn remake.

The glorious return is upon us.
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I liked Other M.
 
Punished Miku said:
I liked Other M.
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I kinda did until I got blocked by fucking screen fairies and had to restart my progress.
MagiusNecros said:
I mean even with the MP4 trailer nothing has topped this intro yet...


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It's hard to top possibly the greatest intro (and intro music) ever made. Also maybe the closest to perfect game ever made, despite having a few faults.

But that Breath of the Wild trailer, and Tears of the Kingdom trailer. Both trailers released shortly before launch fucking smacked.

And Im pretty certain Nintendo is going to do a similar thing with Prime 4.
 
Redneckerz said:
You can tell the poster is shitty when the people who played Prime think the poster is shitty.


All i read are a bunch of crylords who thought the trailer wasn't that impactful, that it looks similar to Prime Remastered, and that its just Prime.

Fact is, just Prime is still the kind of game that very few other games have tried to replicate. Morphite comes to mind, but that's about it.


Name them. You gotta remember you sound pretty silly by being contrarian.


The same studio delivered Prime Remastered and has been behind every other Prime game. So what, behind silly millennial angst is the real reason you are so disappointed? There is little to be considering its past.


Except, except... oh wait they aren't exactly comparable. Your only parameter of validity here is dev time length.

Didn't hear you complain when Prime 3: Corruption released in 2007 on the Wii.
You know, when Crysis also hit the streets.

Also PS3 level graphics. Far as i know, The Prime series was renowned for its gameplay... heck, even the first one remastered got passing colours.

But i guess its never enough.


Indeed. I wish GAF atleast wised up as the years go by, but alas, we still have the same dumbass members making the same dumbass takes. Its boring.
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I wasn't here in 2007 so not sure what your point is.

MP3 was a massive disappointment too.

Both graphics and the linear gameplay especially after MP1 and MP2.

MP1 and MP2 were great in every department including graphics.

MP4 is not enough after 7 years of waiting. Looks underwhelming.
 
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I'm excited for Prime 4 as much as anyone else, but was a bit surprised that it looks almost identical to the first Prime game (which came out in 2002 lol, not on the Wii U even, but the Gamecube...) , like I almost thought it was the first prime game. But with the same developers behind it as the original 3 games we can trust it will play and feel like metroid prime and that's a good thing. The only gripe I've ever had with the Prime series was the annoying music that plays during enemy encounters. It doesn't get you fired up, it's just plain annoying. And the fact that enemies return as soon as you leave and return to the same area only makes it worse. So I was disappointed that the very same annoying music has returned in Prime 4.. Good grief make something that sounds better than someone mashing an electric keyboard. Ugh...
 
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Deputy Moonman said:
I'm excited for Prime 4 as much as anyone else, but was a bit surprised that it looks almost identical to the first Prime game (which came out in 2002 lol, not on the Wii U even, but the Gamecube...) , like I almost thought it was the first prime game. But with the same developers behind it as the original 3 games we can trust it will play and feel like metroid prime and that's a good thing. The only gripe I've ever had with the Prime series was the annoying music that plays during enemy encounters. It doesn't get you fired up, it's just plain annoying. And the fact that enemies return as soon as you leave and return to the same area only makes it worse. So I was disappointed that the very same annoying music has returned in Prime 4.. Good grief make something that sounds better than someone mashing an electric keyboard. Ugh...
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Lol, I love Metroid Prime's music, but you are NOT wrong about this.. I hate this song soo much...

 
I actually like MP3 a lot. It's heavily flawed in some ways but then there's an area like Sky Town...

wolf of wall street omg GIF
 
Deputy Moonman said:
I'm excited for Prime 4 as much as anyone else, but was a bit surprised that it looks almost identical to the first Prime game (which came out in 2002 lol, not on the Wii U even, but the Gamecube...) , like I almost thought it was the first prime game. But with the same developers behind it as the original 3 games we can trust it will play and feel like metroid prime and that's a good thing. The only gripe I've ever had with the Prime series was the annoying music that plays during enemy encounters. It doesn't get you fired up, it's just plain annoying. And the fact that enemies return as soon as you leave and return to the same area only makes it worse. So I was disappointed that the very same annoying music has returned in Prime 4.. Good grief make something that sounds better than someone mashing an electric keyboard. Ugh...
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I'm sorry, but do you mean literally, visually, this looks similar to Metroid Prime from 2002, not just in terms of art style but graphically?

As for the music, to each his own, but I've always thought that was one of the best things about the Prime games. It's excellent on its own but also sets the atmosphere perfectly. It's alien and compelling, and unique in the best way.
 
LordOfChaos said:
It's better than that generation, but at the same time does it look much better than this for being 12 years later. Double the frame rate sure. But the MP4 trailer looks entirely like it's running on Switch which is why I still hope they really make it look great on Switch 2 as a showcase launch title.

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The core visuals have a similar look to Halo 4, I agree:



The artistic similarity is not surprising since former Retro staff went to 343.

But people have to consider a few things:

Halo 4 is the best looking game on the Xbox 360. It's not your typical looking seventh gen game and, like God of War 3 on PS3, punched well above its weight. People comparing the game to something like Halo 4 and then brushing it off as "looks like a PS3 game" miss that Halo 4 looked better than 99.9% of other games that generation.

The AAA 60fps games in that gen had a lot of concessions and at best looked like this:



Metroid Prime 4 (and the Metroid Prime remaster, which is using the same engine) have some advancements beyond anything in that gen like PBR materials and better lighting. But it's doing that while also doubling the framerate and pushing about 50% more pixels than Halo 4.

You also have to compare MP4 with other similar games on the Switch itself. Aside from the Metroid Prime remaster, the closest game I can think of is the 'miracle' Doom port - which runs at half the framerate, lower detail and a horrific resolution:



Consider the hardware of the Switch. It's a 2015 Tegra X1 chip that is underclocked to improve battery life, running at something like 6.5w on the newer model versus the slimmest PS3 pulling 84w. The chip is more powerful than a PS360, but it's not astronomically more and is nowhere near a PS4.

People impressed by the game seem to have a better understanding of a) the limits of the hardware and b) what a typical PS3 game actually looked like. People not impressed seem to somehow expect PS4 level visuals from an aging device which was dated even at the time of release.
 
Dr. Wilkinson said:
No, because like just as with BotW in 2016, Switch was still a secret and they had to show it just as a Wii U game.

This was definitely not Switch 2 footage. The game is still a ways out, too. Just be patient and you'll see your Switch 2 footage early next year at the latest.
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That frame rate was awfully high for switch 1. Switch 2 practically gonna be same thing with better hardware I'm sure. So would make sense if it actually was switch 2.
 
TerribleAtThisGame said:
I'm on your hate train. Choo choo! This song enrages me.
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You know what's even worse? That friggin TP enemy music. Those horrible reverb-less MIDI strings with the ungodly second intervals. And what's worse, it would always drown out whatever ambient music was playing in e.g. the dungeon.




Makes you wanna blow your brains out.
 
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E-Cat said:
You know what's even worse? That friggin TP enemy music. Those horrible reverb-less MIDI strings with the ungodly second intervals. And what's worse, it would always drown out whatever ambient music was playing in e.g. the dungeon.




Makes you wanna blow your brains out.
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Thank you for being a sound nerd enough to know that reverb could've alleviated how bad the "strings" sound. Just some wetness could've made a big difference. I don't dislike it as much as the MP battle music but it also gets super repetitive and the Midi blows. Especially in a game with so much cool ambient sounds.
 
DKPOWPOW said:
I truly look forward to next year when the game is fully revealed and all the non-believers open their eyes.

A real GOTY is coming, not some fake ass Movie Shit. Not fucking Minecraft sorcery. Not fucking table top games reimagined. And not a damn remake.
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This will not win GOTY, next year is stacked with real actual next gen games. Ill put money on it.
 
TerribleAtThisGame said:
Thank you for being a sound nerd enough to know that reverb could've alleviated how bad the "strings" sound. Just some wetness could've made a big difference. I don't dislike it as much as the MP battle music but it also gets super repetitive and the Midi blows. Especially in a game with so much cool ambient sounds.
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2006 may well have been the rock-bottom as far as Nintendo music/sound design goes, both in terms of philosophy and the archaic sound fonts that they were still using. It's also the year of NSMB and the birth of the unfortunate 'BAH BAH' sound.

It's like the worthless Kondo underlings made the most surface-level analysis possible of what made Mario and Zelda music tick, and proceeded to slop out -- as Kondo himself put it in an Iwata Asks -- music that sounded more like it was fanmade imitations of those soundtracks.

2007 was the renaissance with the glorious orchestral SMG soundtrack.
 
What I don't understand is why it took so long to cook up essentially the same looking game. I figured this would be a rebirth type of reveal. Like when re7 brought life back into that series. It's basically the same.
 
So I started playing Metroid Prime Hunters today to prepare for Prime 4 (this was the introduction of Sylux, the dude at the end of the trailer), and I am just ASTONISHED at how good this game controls.

Assuming you can contort your hands in a way to use the stylus and d-pad at the same time, this has some of the most sublime FPS gameplay not just on a handheld, but against pretty much anything aside from KB/M. In fact, it basically IS like keyboard and mouse.

I remember the game having excellent controls when I first played it, but it's not until now that I see how truly polished they are. Aiming is so accurate and fast, and the double-tap jump works surprisingly well (and is very forgiving, allowing for midair jumps if you fall off a ledge).

Just about the only thing that truly sucks about the controls are the fact that THEY HURT. Good god, they hurt. Maybe it's just my gigantic hands reaching middle age, but I can't play for more than 15 minutes without needing a break due to severe cramping. Boss battles are especially bad, since I'm the type of person who tenses up when the action gets crazy. I do not remember this game absolutely destroying my hands when I was younger, but holy shit, it's so bad. Hopefully I can find my DS XL, because playing on the DS Lite is murdering me.

But biology deficiencies aside, I'm seriously blown away by how fun this game is. It's not really a Metroid game, it's more like a portable Quake. But the gameplay and controls, alone, make it so enjoyable.

Ya know, except for all the permanent damage my hands are suffering.

I'll probably make a retrospective thread about Hunters once I finish the game. But man, go play it on OG hardware. You'll be surprised by how well it controls. And then you'll need to stop, cause ouch.
 
DanEON said:
Still looks like a Switch (one) game for me. SAD!!!!
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Right? Wtf .. it honestly didn't look that great ...no gameplay innovation shown, the graphics look similar quality as MP Remaster; even the boss guy at the end with his two little metroid body guards looked really silly

This looks as bog standard a Prime game as can be. Only thing that really stood out was the music which was awesome.
 
Looks good, but that's it. Just good. Certainly not as balls to the wall insane as something like, say, the new Doom's reveal. But I guess I'd rather have more of the same than something that changes for the sake of change and fucks itself up.
 
I guess we shall see how the game turns out, but I have a couple of concerns. One is the *updated* versions of the original Prime 1 music sound awful. I didn't find Dread's music as bad as other people think it is, but the music in this trailer is truly terrible.
The second concern is the neon purple for the title that other Wester Games are using. Usually that aesthetic choice is more of a warning sign, like Dragon Age Veilguard.
 
Switch continuing like this is sad news, it's a legendary console that captivated people with the hybrid approach, and arguably Nintendos best console of all time.
 
Black_Mamba said:
How more unambitious can Nintendo get? The last time I was excited by something from Nintendo was with Zelda BotW. Too many small games focused on casual and younger players nowadays, and now this lazy Metroid...
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This is 100% accurate. Nintendo also making games easier than ever before, unnecessarily too, such as Mario RPG, Mario Wonder, and TtYD which all had mechanics nerfed. I'm sure this new Mario and Luigi will be the same story.

Back to them being so unambitious ...for sure ...aside from Tears of the Kingdoms physics I found that game to be such an asset flip and now Prime 4 seals the deal- when waiting this long for a new Prime you expect it to either innovate or really up the visual presentation and animation quality. You would think they would've released a bad ass trailer too...this trailer was so by the numbers and showed no leap in visuals or gameplay.

Sad thing too is in YouTube videos just look at the comment sections people are saying this looks "amazing" and "like it could be on Switch 2" left and right ...Nintendo fandom are some of the most easy to please ...I'm a huge fan of Nintendo games but I don't like a lot of what I'm seeing lately.

They're making almost everything for kids now but unlike when I was young they are purposely making everything so easy so everyone can complete their games. Can't tell you how disappointing the latest Mario projects have been for me, solely because they got rid of any challenge they used to have (like making the timings for attacks longer in Mario RPG and tTYD and letting us hold a "back up" power up in Wonder as well as getting rid of timers).
 
We need a revisiting the Prime Trilogy thread

So many of us haven't played them all in all for so long
 
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Astral Dog said:
tbf that 'first' announcement doesn't really count, as they had to completely reboot the whole project and start with another developer team(Retro Studios wich they should have done since the beginning) , its also just a logo, they weren't working on Prime 4 proper until much later

I believe some of the 'dissapointment' coming from gamers undoubtly will be about Metroid Prime 4 being cross gen with the Switch, rather than a next generation launch title but thats to be expected 🤭 i think it looked great for the hardware, we will see more later and there is still plenty of time to dive into Prime 4 info

they also showed Mario Odyssey without the main gameplay gimmick at first, Nintendo knows what they are doing, if anything this teaser meets base expectations of what you would expect from a new Metroid Prime game running on the Switch, but they will go Beyond
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I hope you're right because it's not just the graphics, it's the fact that everything else looked so bog standard and no gameplay innovation/new moves was shown either. The music was awesome tho.
 
jorgejjvr said:
Tears of the kingdom beat all those next Gen games
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I'm losing faith in humanity everytime shit like this happens and when "completely unbiased" Nintendo fanboys at "Game Awards" forcing completely undeserved awards on games, which have no business having them at all.
 
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TheInfamousKira said:
Looks good for a ten year old game.
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I'll still get it. I never played the first 3, but started and got far into Prime Remastered. Loving it. Music has been really good, so far, too. I miss games with engaging soundtracks. Also, slightly off topic, but I wish SquareEnix would stop putting the fucking violin in every major title they come up with. Try some variation. I kept hearing it from XIII till now. :messenger_weary:
 
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