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[Corporal.Hicks]

This talk is based on pure guesswork, but if the PS5P has RDNA4 RT and can really do BVH8 (as Tom Henderson said), I can imagine PS5P GPU destroying the 7700XT in RT performance. People who claim that the 7700XT is a good match for the PS5P will be surprised when the first Digital Foundry comparisons / benchmarks come out.

Ryzen 3600 CPU is not good enough either. This CPU could run early PS5 ports, but not modern games that take full advantage of the PS5 CPU and decompression chip. You will need a minimum of 8-core CPUs (5700X is minimum I would recommend) to play these modern PS5 ports without stutters and sub PS5 framerate.

 

[Team Andromeda]

The thing is RT in Forza is verey basic, with only mirror-like reflections, so it's nothing special that this kind of RT runs @ 60fps on Series X. RT in GT7 is way more advanced and demanding.

It's not basic and you don't need to buy a new system to experience it either

 

[demigod]

Pc gaming, you are paying for flexibility. You can play games from storefronts you want, where you want and at the settings you desire. It's a completely bespoke experience and can not and absolutely should not be compared to walled garden gaming of a console where you are getting reemed on every corner from yearly subscription services to, in the case of sony, having your cloud save files be restricted behind a playstation plus membership. That's just a handful of things.

The people in EU and uk are complaining because it's twice the price the ps4 pro was. Without a disk drive and stand.


People complain about pc prising all the time. The difference is that pc gaming has far more benefits outside of the price of admission and it's components than a console does.

Bringing up the disk drive argument is so disingenuous vs pc as a disk drive is the only way you can retain any form of competitive pricing on games with sony. I can shop around and get deals on disk based games and I can trade them in which helps negate some of the damage that yearly subscriptions etc hit me with being in sonys walled garden.

You know all this, but pc works with a variety of accessories ranging from all prices. Components etc

Pricing on games is far cheaper and more readily available from competing sellers.

PC can't be compared with console. There will be those on the side that Sony are providing a great option here and there will be those thinking it's a rip off. The market will show it's true feelings in around 6 months from now.

What walled garden? I can buy games from Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Walmart.

 

[Zathalus]

That build Colteastwood posted is terrible. As are some of the builds here. The absolute best you can do in the US for a build that would roughly match/best the performance of the Pro (aka 4070) would be around $1000. Assuming you are not using bottom of the barrel PSU and including the price of Keyboard and Mouse and Windows OS.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Just to add. I would rather play on pc and have the ease of Steamd incredible customer service over the mess that is sonys shady customer service practices.

There's so many benefits outside of price for pc that so many ignore.

 

[PropellerEar]

Just to add. I would rather play on pc and have the ease of Steamd incredible customer service over the mess that is sonys shady customer service practices.

There's so many benefits outside of price for pc that so many ignore.

The EX-Box warriors turn PCmustards so fast...


Never had to contact PS customer service.
Steam customer service multiple times.

 

[Gaiff]

What walled garden? I can buy games from Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Walmart.

Means you can’t do whatever with your system unless you jailbreak/hack it. Can’t install emulators, very limited mod support, can’t install whatever app, program, skin, background, or themes you want. Consoles are all walled gardens, which is normal. You trade freedom for convenience. It would turn into a battlefield if they were as free and open as PCs.

 

[Senua]

What walled garden? I can buy games from Amazon, Best Buy, Target, Walmart.

 

[demigod]

Means you can’t do whatever with your system unless you jailbreak/hack it. Can’t install emulators, very limited mod support, can’t install whatever app, program, skin, background, or themes you want. Consoles are all walled gardens, which is normal. You trade freedom for convenience. It would turn into a battlefield if they were as free and open as PCs.

We are talking about the game prices, surely you know about that walled garden.

 

[Gaiff]

We are talking about the game prices, surely you know about that walled garden.

No, he said "walled garden gaming of consoles". Dunno where you got that he was referring to game prices. He was comparing the flexibility of PC vs the rigidness of consoles.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Just to add. I would rather play on pc and have the ease of Steamd incredible customer service over the mess that is sonys shady customer service practices.

There's so many benefits outside of price for pc that so many ignore.

PC has a lot of benefits but the current conversation is mainly focused on price and the reality is that the PS5 pro is actually significantly cheaper than an equivalent PC.

But the console warriors are trying to create a false narrative that some how PC is a “cheaper alternative”. It’s all click bait lol.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The EX-Box warriors turn PCmustards so fast...


Never had to contact PS customer service.
Steam customer service multiple times.

I was playing pc well before xbox was a twinkle in bill gates eye

PC has a lot of benefits but the current conversation is mainly focused on price and the reality is that the PS5 pro is actually significantly cheaper than an equivalent PC.

But the console warriors are trying to create a false narrative that some how PC is a “cheaper alternative”. It’s all click bait lol.

It all depends how you weigh up the convo. How would an 8gb 4060 ti compare against the ps5?

I know that you're going to be able to pick up a full pc with that gpu, including monitor, keyboard and mouse for £999 on black Friday in the UK. by black Friday I mean from start of November. Will have 1tb nvme but still. I bet tons of parents are going to go with that option over a console. So many people are moving to PC. Especially youngsters.

Ps5 pro will do fine to begin with the hardcore crowd. If Sony can drop the price on it within a year it may pick up more. I'm actually interested to see what the market thinks. If this sells close to the ps4 pro I'll be surprised.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I was playing pc well before xbox was a twinkle in bill gates eye

It all depends how you weigh up the convo. How would an 8gb 4060 ti compare against the ps5?

I know that you're going to be able to pick up a full pc with that gpu, including monitor, keyboard and mouse for £999 on black Friday in the UK. by black Friday I mean from start of November. Will have 1tb nvme but still. I bet tons of parents are going to go with that option over a console. So many people are moving to PC. Especially youngsters.

Ps5 pro will do fine to begin with the hardcore crowd. If Sony can drop the price on it within a year it may pick up more. I'm actually interested to see what the market thinks. If this sells close to the ps4 pro I'll be surprised.

I don't know what kinda holds you are talking about or going into... but what you are saying here about buying habits is not true. And there is no data or evidence to suggest this.

Most parents would sooner buy a tablet/phone/laptop/switch that all cost under £500 for their kids, over spending £500 for a PS5 and definitely not spending £1000 for a PC. I really don't know where you are getting this.

And I am sure if looked into, we probably would find that the PS5 user base, is skewed towards consumers in the 16-50 years bracket. The Switch is likely in the 7-35 years. That doesn't just tell you what kind of consumers are buying what, but how they are likely buying it.

And yes, PS5pro would do fine, its not the kinda thing that parents are going to be buying for their kids though, if any parent is looking to get a gaming console for their kids, it would be a PS5/Switch... only super-rich parents or parents that have an ulterior motive would be getting a Pro for their "kids". Most of the Pro buyers would likely be adults. And when sales slow down, and this should happen faster because of its starting price, eventually, Sony would no doubt slash the price, and new sales get spurred...rinse and repeat.

 

[Anchovie123]

7700XT - Only matches Pro in raster but not RT & AI.
6800 - Same issue as above.
7800XT - Beats Pro in raster and probably gets close in RT but no AI.
3070Ti - 8GB VRAM automatically wipes this off the list. Raster and RT slightly worse than Pro.
4070 - Better in raster, probably matched or slightly better in RT.

4070 is the only logical choice until RDNA 4 arrives. 8700XT will probably match Pro or slightly better in all aspects.

 

[omegasc]

Or maybe they're just pandering. I do laugh at Rich saying the best demo of the PS5 Pro he says was real-time ray tracing in GT7, something which Forza already does on a base Series X and with more cars on track too

I was down to the Pro, even told the bird that's what I wanted for Christmas, but at £700 for slightly shaper graphics been well and truly turned off

At what resolution and frame rate?

 

[SolidQ]

8700XT will probably match Pro or slightly better in all aspects.

if you mean top Rdna4, it's way faster. N48 have RDNA4 architecture, PS5pro mix.

 

[Team Andromeda]

At what resolution and frame rate?

We don't even know what resolution and frame rates GT7 Reflections run at on the Pro LOL

I've got to say for a £400 box they aren't too bad in FORZA

 

[DenchDeckard]

I don't know what kinda holds you are talking about or going into... but what you are saying here about buying habits is not true. And there is no data or evidence to suggest this.

Most parents would sooner buy a tablet/phone/laptop/switch that all cost under £500 for their kids, over spending £500 for a PS5 and definitely not spending £1000 for a PC. I really don't know where you are getting this.

And I am sure if looked into, we probably would find that the PS5 user base, is skewed towards consumers in the 16-50 years bracket. The Switch is likely in the 7-35 years. That doesn't just tell you what kind of consumers are buying what, but how they are likely buying it.

And yes, PS5pro would do fine, its not the kinda thing that parents are going to be buying for their kids though, if any parent is looking to get a gaming console for their kids, it would be a PS5/Switch... only super-rich parents or parents that have an ulterior motive would be getting a Pro for their "kids". Most of the Pro buyers would likely be adults. And when sales slow down, and this should happen faster because of its starting price, eventually, Sony would no doubt slash the price, and new sales get spurred...rinse and repeat.

I'm getting this from GFK data in the uk and Europe where pc gaming is growing considerably year on year and the high end console market is shrinking.

 

[SpokkX]

Cry all you like, show some data that backs up your claims or don't waste my time. There's also a video in that post as well showing the game being played in all kinds of scenarios with various CPU's including the 3700x paired with both a 4090 and a 3080ti, try watching it.



It's not a fact, it's your feeling, a feeling which you are unable to back up with any data.

I still have my old 3900x lying around along with a 4090, 4080 and an old 2070 super at my disposal, if I'm bored and have excess time at any point in the next 8 weeks I'll do some benchmarks to prove just how wide of the mark this obviously orchestrated narrative is.

Oh, and if you guys want to be more believable, I'd suggest at least switching up the language you're using while doing this nonsense.

For good measure, here's a full 38 minutes of Helldivers 2 gameplay on a 3700x paired with a 4070 at ultra settings, 4k:



Again, no dips to the 40's, even when things get intense. But I guess you'll just cry "bullshit" again while having nothing tangible to prove what you're claiming.

Guess we will see when ps5 pr releases. It wont handle high dif missions in helldivers 2 well. Or other cpu heavy games

I guess we will see when it comes - pointless to argue when it seems doubtful you know what a CPU is actually used for (since you question the pro is imbalanced)

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

This leak is 6 months old, but it nailed everything, including 2-3x RT performance. I cant wait to see Digital Foundry comparisons .

Ray tracing on AMD RDNA 4 will be twice as fast thanks to BVH8 - HWCooling.net

Leaks covering PS5 Pro reveal new features of Radeon RX 8000 GPUsA few days ago, information leaked on Sony’s upcoming PlayStation 5 Pro console, which will feature upgraded hardware with a significantly stronger GPU and AI acceleration to enable AI-based PSSR upscaling. Other details have now...

www.hwcooling.net

 

[omegasc]

We don't even know what resolution and frame rates GT7 Reflections run at on the Pro LOL

which is exactly why I am asking you. You said it was something the Series X already did.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I'm getting this from GFK data in the uk and Europe where pc gaming is growing considerably year on year and the high end console market is shrinking.

Link to the data? You can PM me... not trying to call you out but want to learn more about this. I am usually skeptical whenever I hear stuff like this if the PS5 is tracking similarly to the PS4 and also considering the fact that Xbox is probably doing worse this gen than it was doing last gen.

I don't doubt there must be some sort of PC growth, I just don't believe its cannibalizing console sales.

 

[ChiefDada]

 

[Team Andromeda]

which is exactly why I am asking you. You said it was something the Series X already did.

And it already does hence my video capture. We simply don't know at what speed and what Res the RT effects run at in GT7 on the PS5 Pro.
But I'm very happy with Forza having decent real-time RT effects in-game while the rest of game runs at 60 fps and scales up to 4K.

Didn't see 700 quid worth of different GT 7 In-Game RT effects in the presentation to be honest and I also own GT 7 and a PS5 too

 

[GHG]

Guess we will see when ps5 pr releases. It wont handle high dif missions in helldivers 2 well. Or other cpu heavy games

I guess we will see when it comes - pointless to argue when it seems doubtful you know what a CPU is actually used for (since you question the pro is imbalanced)

Even if I don't know what the CPU is for, I certainly know what the available data is showing us.

By the way, by definition, every system is "imbalanced" in some way. The bottleneck is always somewhere, whether you are GPU limited, CPU limited or even RAM limited (quantity or bandwidth). But like I said previously, it's evident that you fail to understand this and you're just throwing statements around based on your feelings, none of which can be backed up by any data anywhere. In fact, the data that we do have available directly disproves the statements you've made.

There is no perfect system, particularly not one that is being built with a specific financial budget in mind. In this scenario, by saying you'd have preferred they put more of the available budget in to the CPU at the expense of the GPU you're effectively saying you'd prefer there be less available gaming performance, because that's what it would result in.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

7700XT - Only matches Pro in raster but not RT & AI.
6800 - Same issue as above.
7800XT - Beats Pro in raster and probably gets close in RT but no AI.
3070Ti - 8GB VRAM automatically wipes this off the list. Raster and RT slightly worse than Pro.
4070 - Better in raster, probably matched or slightly better in RT.

4070 is the only logical choice until RDNA 4 arrives. 8700XT will probably match Pro or slightly better in all aspects.

And what's funny, is that the 4070 is only like 13% better than the 7700XT in relative raster performance. That translates to anything from a 4-12fps swing in games in favor of the 4070 over the 7700XT. The PS5pro lands in that ballpark, but more importantly, the mere fact that the 7700xt lacks certain key components that are at least found in the 470 by default makes the 4070 a more natural marker.

 

[SpokkX]

Even if I don't know what the CPU is for, I certainly know what the available data is showing us.

By the way, by definition, every system is "imbalanced" in some way. The bottleneck is always somewhere, whether you are GPU limited, CPU limited or even RAM limited (quantity or bandwidth). But like I said previously, it's evident that you fail to understand this and you're just throwing statements around based on your feelings, none of which can be backed up by any data anywhere. In fact, the data that we do have available directly disproves the statements you've made.

There is no perfect system, particularly not one that is being built with a specific financial budget in mind. In this scenario, by saying you'd have preferred they put more of the available budget in to the CPU at the expense of the GPU you're effectively saying you'd prefer there be less available gaming performance, because that's what it would result in.

You do know whay balance ”means” in this context though?

That the different parts of the system is on somewhat equal footing. Ps5 pro is objectivly not balanced between a high end gpu and an low end cpu

A balanced system uses components of similar power level in their each category.

Again you dont seem to grasp this concept. If it is hard to understand, dont get mad at me

 

[MisterXDTV]

7700XT - Only matches Pro in raster but not RT & AI.
6800 - Same issue as above.
7800XT - Beats Pro in raster and probably gets close in RT but no AI.

7800 XT has RDNA 3 ray-tracing just like the 7700XT (same chip, Navi 32) so it can't be close to PS5 Pro that has RDNA 4 ray-tracing

It will be a huge difference

In first party games I expect PS5 Pro to be at 4070 Super/Ti level

 

[GHG]

You do know whay balance ”means” in this context though?

That the different parts of the system is on somewhat equal footing. Ps5 pro is objectivly not balanced between a high end gpu and an low end cpu

A balanced system uses components of similar power level in their each category.

Again you dont seem to grasp this concept. If it is hard to understand, dont get mad at me

"Objectively" based on what? Your feelings again? How many frames (or what percentage of frames) do you think the PS5 Pro will be giving up by having a 4070 tier GPU being paired with a CPU that is equivalent to the 3700x?

Let me make this simple for you. This was your previous statement:

Try playing helldivers with a 4090 and a ps5 equivalent CPU on pc (3700x i guess). You will drop constantly to 40-ies during matches with many enemies. Just as ps5 does and ps5 pro WILL do

I've shown you at least 3 different sources that directly disprove this. In fact, I can make that 4 for you right now:



Can you point me towards a source which shows the game dropping constantly to the 40 fps range when a 3700x is paired with a 4070 tier GPU or better?

Don't think it's too much to ask considering it's supposed to happen constantly.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Honestly I think anyone attacking the PS5’s Pro’s feature set is doing so in bad faith, yes the price is arguably problematic but the Pro itself is a very well engineered piece of kit.

I remember there was so much discussion about what next-gen could bring after the PS5 launched, and many people including Digital Foundry and even myself on several occasions stated that the graphics technology, especially with regards to AMD and consoles will follow Nvidia in suit, and everyone was happy with this outcome.

Now we have the next iteration of the PS5 and its features are exactly what everyone wanted from it. Significantly increased ray-tracing performance, AI/ML driven upscaling technology and of course faster rendering, I imagine these technologies will be significantly enhanced moving into the PS6 but yes it looks very promising.

 

[demigod]

You do know whay balance ”means” in this context though?

That the different parts of the system is on somewhat equal footing. Ps5 pro is objectivly not balanced between a high end gpu and an low end cpu

A balanced system uses components of similar power level in their each category.

Again you dont seem to grasp this concept. If it is hard to understand, dont get mad at me

Show proof or take the L son and move on.

 

[omegasc]

And it already does hence my video capture. We simply don't know at what speed and what Res the RT effects run at in GT7 on the PS5 Pro.
But I'm very happy with Forza having decent real-time RT effects in-game while the rest of game runs at 60 fps and scales up to 4K.

Didn't see 700 quid worth of different GT 7 In-Game RT effects in the presentation to be honest and I also own GT 7 and a PS5 too

There's a reason they said it was the best demo, so it surely is higher IQ and 60 fps on the Pro, with ray tracing. You don't see it as worth it and that's fair, but you can't say 'Series X does it', when the praise is exactly about something the current gen isn't able to do at the same level.

 

[Gaiff]

Yep. GN spoke of it. I don’t get why no one is suing or fining them. This is like when they downgraded the GT 1030 to GDDR4 from GGDR5, resulting in a massive performance decrease, but they didn’t tell anyone. Customers looking for a budget card would just get scammed without knowing better. The 4070 is really a 4060 Ti in disguise.

Same thing here, it’s only 2-4% slower, but it’s still a scumbag move that does nothing but screw over people and line their pockets.

 

[SpokkX]

"Objectively" based on what? Your feelings again? How many frames (or what percentage of frames) do you think the PS5 Pro will be giving up by having a 4070 tier GPU being paired with a CPU that is equivalent to the 3700x?

Let me make this simple for you. This was your previous statement:



I've shown you at least 3 different sources that directly disprove this. In fact, I can make that 4 for you right now:



Can you point me towards a source which shows the game dropping constantly to the 40 fps range when a 3700x is paired with a 4070 tier GPU or better?

Don't think it's too much to ask considering it's supposed to happen constantly.

I dont have time for this

Feel free to continue to post - what I said will still happen. The CPU will be a BIG bottleneck. Yes Helldivers 2 will be an issue - it is very cpu heavy with 4 players on higher diff missions that have lots of ai and physics. Helldivers is an EXAMPLE - every current and more importantly future CPU heavy games will run badly on ps5 pro

And games are beginning to tax console cpu:s and force 30fps modes (starfield cant hold stable 60 on series x because of cpu issues for example)

That is my main point. The ps5 pro is not well balanced (that word again )

 

[MisterXDTV]

I find the whole "CPU Bottleneck" hilarious

It's not like PS5 Pro is targeting 120 fps, the target is still 60 fps and 98% of PS5 games ALREADY have a 60 fps mode on the base model

They take that 60 fps mode and improve the IQ by using Cerny's "Big 3":

- 67% Larger GPU
- RDNA 4 Ray-Tracing
- PSSR

So how exactly keeping the same CPU becomes a problem??

 

[DenchDeckard]

2 months and we get to see what this bad boy can do! Can't wait.

 

[Mr Moose]

I know Colt is an Xbox shill, but I’m asking, as someone who has no idea on how much pc components cost, how accurate is his tweet?

 

[GHG]

I dont have time for this

Feel free to continue to post - what I said will still happen. The CPU will be a BIG bottleneck. Yes Helldivers 2 will be an issue - it is very cpu heavy with 4 players on higher diff missions that have lots of ai and physics. Helldivers is an EXAMPLE - every current and more importantly future CPU heavy games will run badly on ps5 pro

And games are beginning to tax console cpu:s and force 30fps modes (starfield cant hold stable 60 on series x because of cpu issues for example)

That is my main point. The ps5 pro is not well balanced (that word again )

You don't have time for it but somehow you've got plenty of time to continue to post nonsense that has been disproven multiple times now?

This false narrative you're attempting to push must be important to you. It's just a shame that it's not of equal importance for you to be factually correct.

You're free to produce data that backs up your claims any time.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I find the whole "CPU Bottleneck" hilarious

It's not like PS5 Pro is targeting 120 fps, the target is still 60 fps and 98% of PS5 games ALREADY have a 60 fps mode on the base model

They take that 60 fps mode and improve the IQ by using Cerny's "Big 3":

- 67% Larger GPU
- RDNA 4 Ray-Tracing
- PSSR

So how exactly keeping the same CPU becomes a problem??

I think the question in the real world is to see if the cpu gets affected when feeding the gpu for raytracing etc.

I imagine pisser assists here to reduce the impact. We will see once we get some solid benchmarks.

I want to see how games like cyberpunk and ue5 games/true next gen games run on the pro vs pc.

 

[SpokkX]

I find the whole "CPU Bottleneck" hilarious

It's not like PS5 Pro is targeting 120 fps, the target is still 60 fps and 98% of PS5 games ALREADY have a 60 fps mode on the base model

They take that 60 fps mode and improve the IQ by using Cerny's "Big 3":

- 67% Larger GPU
- RDNA 4 Ray-Tracing
- PSSR

So how exactly keeping the same CPU becomes a problem??

… future games that will also target pc says hello

Stuff like gta 6, whatever larian or cd project does

They will target 30fps on console because the cpu is over 5 years old

Sony first party will still be 60 i bet

 

[DenchDeckard]

Fuck me. That colt guy is an absolute chode. I wouldn't get a pc without 32gb now. He's an idiot.

 

[DavJay]

Regular 4070, not super or ti. It’s a $500 gpu

 

[MisterXDTV]

… future games that will also target pc says hello

Stuff like gta 6, whatever larian or cd project does

They will target 30fps on console because the cpu is over 5 years old

Sony first party will still be 60 i bet

Games are made for consoles first.... The target is not and will NEVER be high-end PCs....

GTA VI won't even launch on PC Day 1

What are you talking about?

LOL

 

[Clear]

I love these uncontested statements where people assert that you must pair X CPU with Y (or higher) rated GPU, when I'm betting almost noone making such remarks can explain precisely why that's the case.

And no, just saying PC benchmarking consistently proves it is an insufficient answer. Because that demonstrates a correlative relationship, without demonstrating why the CPU is getting hammered when demands increase on the GPU.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

You do know whay balance ”means” in this context though?

That the different parts of the system is on somewhat equal footing. Ps5 pro is objectivly not balanced between a high end gpu and an low end cpu

A balanced system uses components of similar power level in their each category.

Again you dont seem to grasp this concept. If it is hard to understand, dont get mad at me

This again....

Ok, lets say you are a system architect. And you are making a console APU. You have a limited thermal budget of say 250W

Now these are your choices. Your aim is to get as much of your games as possible running their 30fps fidelity mode at 60fps.

A. High end CPU + high end GPU = 350W TDP = 100% game coverage
B. High end CPU + low end GPU = 250W TDP = 20% game coverage
C. low end CPU + high end GPU = 250W TDP = 90% game coverage

Which one of those options would you choose?

 

[Mr Moose]

Fuck me. That colt guy is an absolute chode. I wouldn't get a pc without 32gb now. He's an idiot.

Doesn't even need RAM, his build runs on emotions.
500W PSU as well, even my shit computer has a 550W (TX550M).

 

[GHG]

Based on the crap I've seen these guys will all be building PC's with the following specs:

• CPU: AMD 7800X3D
• RAM: 8GB 4800 mhz DDR5
• GPU: AMD 7700 XT
• PSU: Fisher Price 350W

 

[SkyHighTrees]

And it already does hence my video capture. We simply don't know at what speed and what Res the RT effects run at in GT7 on the PS5 Pro.
But I'm very happy with Forza having decent real-time RT effects in-game while the rest of game runs at 60 fps and scales up to 4K.

Didn't see 700 quid worth of different GT 7 In-Game RT effects in the presentation to be honest and I also own GT 7 and a PS5 too

just wait for DF... they gon beat yours and forzas ass again.

GT7 probably runs at 4k60 (same as now) with added RT effects. Will have much better IQ, since forza's performance RT mode's IQ is not that good. Things like fences look like garbage.

 

[Radical_3d]

Helldivers 2 will be an issue

You must be a PC diver. HD2 runs fine enough but the image quality in my PS5 is abysmal. I cry when I see the PC screens. If I ever commit the stupidity of getting a Pro this will be one of the reasons.

 

[ChiefDada]

2 months and we get to see what this bad boy can do! Can't wait.

You Sony guys just need to accept this L from Sony.

There is no way that PSSR will beat DLSS.

THe hardest Copium I've ever seen going on from hardcore sony guys about this absolute mess of a product.

Mods need to come moderate your ass. Wildly.