jm89
Member
I meanThe average PS5 Pro buyer:
DF Direct Weekly #180: The PS5 Pro Breakdown: GT7, TLOUp2, Ratchet, Horizon, Alan Wake 2 + More!
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Senua
Member
Yep, and these technologies will only improve
HeisenbergFX4
Member
When its even better come PS6 you can thank us suckers for being guinea pigs
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh boy. The Pro is meant to compete with the base consoles is term of image quality not the PC. It is OK that PSSR is not at the level of of DLSS right now, and I don't expect it to be or ever will be at the same level because of pc nature.
If it get to 90 percent of DLSS, then everybody will be happy with the result. Also, Richard brought up a good point regarding to sitting distant for console gamers, so perceive image quality is even better compare to sitting on a desk close to the monitor.
Keep in mind that this is the first version of PSSR, AI upscale will improve greatly over time, so I have no doubt the Ps5 pro image quality will be transformative compare to FSR on the base consoles when we have this on our hand come November, and it is even greater in the future.
What is up with people here being bitter. The Ps5 pro is clearly target the hardcore console players especially Playstation fans. Let people spend their money how they want. To me this is worth an upgrade over the ps5 just for the image quality alone.
If it get to 90 percent of DLSS, then everybody will be happy with the result. Also, Richard brought up a good point regarding to sitting distant for console gamers, so perceive image quality is even better compare to sitting on a desk close to the monitor.
Keep in mind that this is the first version of PSSR, AI upscale will improve greatly over time, so I have no doubt the Ps5 pro image quality will be transformative compare to FSR on the base consoles when we have this on our hand come November, and it is even greater in the future.
What is up with people here being bitter. The Ps5 pro is clearly target the hardcore console players especially Playstation fans. Let people spend their money how they want. To me this is worth an upgrade over the ps5 just for the image quality alone.
akira__
Banned
Sure bob.
But let's see what DF said about pixel counting just a few years ago.
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Timestamped below.
Summary:
- Richard's new year resolution is to end pixel counting in face/offs.
- To Richard, the final Output is more important than counting edges.
- John is looking into different ways to showcase differences in image quality.
- With checkerboarding, TSR, DLSS, and FSR, there is really no need to look at the native resolution.
- John calls Face/offs involving counting edges silly in higher end games that are pushing 4k.
- John brings up the switch and that they will continue counting pixels in Switch games because the resolution is so low.
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Ironman_Bad
Member
Just so we get this out the way here are the Steam Stats for Aug 2024.
Most GPUs used on Steam are not even as powerful as the PS5, nevermind the PS5 Pro.
Everyone acts like every PC is a beast its just not even close to being true.
Just get it on pc/just get a pc is the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board it literally implies i can just walk into best buy with 700$ and say hey sir I'll take one pc please for 4k max details for the next 4 years
Or that anyone just happens to have a 4k gaming pc laying around they didn't know about
just get it on pc! 
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Fabieter
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Just get it on pc/just get a pc is the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this board it literally implies i can just walk into best buy with 700$ and say hey sir I'll take one pc please for 4k ma x details for the next 4 years
It's not like the pro is doing 4k max settings now let alone for the next four years.
DJ12
Member
No one could predict ps5 games looking better despite having a lower res (in some cases) back then in fairness.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm assuming the subtitle in the first pic is meant to say more 'raw' GPU performance?'
We've got all the war GPU performances we need in this thread.
akira__
Banned
They call pixel counting stupid... and explain why. Yet here we are again.
Topher
Identifies as young
Case ended? Richard is the one that made the "case" that 4070 was the closest GPU to PS5 Pro in the first place. They changed that point here. You think they can't change it again once they get their hands on the hardware?
So it s not even the Quality mode at 60fps.
Honestly this… does not look great
Honestly this… does not look great
This footage of Hogwarts is at 30 though
akira__
Banned
Just to confirm you are not going to buy ps5 pro right?
Ironman_Bad
Member
I'll be shocked if a 4090 is doing 4k max details at 60fps on the most cutting edge game in 2025 but alas..just get it on pc!
Bojji
Member
4070 is the closest GPU because 3070ti has super low vram number, otherwise it would be nearly 100% equivalent in power. They said in this video that it's like underclocked 4070...
I already have 100% faster CPU, 35% faster GPU and regular PS5 with the disc drive. Why would I need one?
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Corporal.Hicks
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Alan Wake 2 with RT is an extremely demanding game. On the RTX4080S with max settings, I had to run it at 4K DLSS performance (1080p upscaled) to get 45-80fps, and I also used FG to get a minimum of 70fps (the game ran between 70-110fps with FG and feel perfectly smooth). IMO the 840p on the PS5P isnt that bad if you just know how demanding this game is and AI upscaling should still give acceptable image image quality (4K DLSS performance looks much better on my 1440p monitor than 1440p native / DLAA).
As for PS5Pro performance estimations we know for a fact the PS5P GPU will be at least as fast as 7700XT (number of CUs, and flops) and this card is only 13% slower than the RTX4070 according to techpowerup benchmark chart. With RDNA4 features on top of that, the PS5Pro should be much faster than the 7700XT, so in my opinion comparisons to the RTX4070 are fair.
As for PS5Pro performance estimations we know for a fact the PS5P GPU will be at least as fast as 7700XT (number of CUs, and flops) and this card is only 13% slower than the RTX4070 according to techpowerup benchmark chart. With RDNA4 features on top of that, the PS5Pro should be much faster than the 7700XT, so in my opinion comparisons to the RTX4070 are fair.
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Senua
Member
I dno, the 4090 is a beast
Topher
Identifies as young
And PS5 Pro has frame gen whereas 3070ti does not. Correct?
kevboard
Member
not sure what you want to say here. all of what they said is true... but coming up with a way to rate subjective image quality is hard, and FSR2, with how absolutely dogshit it is, made this even harder to do.
we are at a point with FSR2, where it gets abused to such an extent, that the image quality is worse than last gen games, which is absolutely unprecedented I think.
also, for comparing 2 versions of the same cosnole, and to judge the improvements you can expect, pixel counting actually makes sense to figure out what developers do with the hardware
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Bojji
Member
Pro can use FSR3 frame gen just like 3070ti (and regular PS5). There is no info about PSSR FG so far.
They have the same frame gen option as of now as there's no Sony AI frame gen solution like DLSS3. It's FSR3.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Correct me if I'm wrong but PS5 would use AMD equivalent frame-gen, and FSR3 frame-gen is possible on even 20xx series GPU's
Topher
Identifies as young
But it is not going to use FSR3 frame gen in conjunction with DLSS. Isn't it one or the other?
I don't know. That's why I'm asking.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Similar to Nvidia, Sony's fist party studios do/did have novel attempts at anti aliasing,so we don't know if PSSR is something completely different or based on prior attempts of AA on the various PlayStation consoles.
kevboard
Member
not anymore. but developers have to properly implement the option to use both in combination with eachother
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, it was the other way around where FSR frame gen forced you into FSR upscaling. You can use both now such as in Black Myth Wukong.
Radical_3d
Member
Now run Elden Ring for the first time without stutter UuU
Sorry but my 4090 is shitting all over your PS5 Pro. Do not confuse my disinterest or my advice with poverty my friend. Especially when I can buy a PS5 Pro every week and still live the good life.
+ just so you think more the next time you post, a picture of when I received everything, just for you
Topher
Identifies as young
akira__
Banned
Freudian slip, console war gpu.
Finally a real one. Carry on then.
Edit:
Still remember that time where FSR was the best according to some posters. There was this little game called Wukong. FSR was the best thing under the sun.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
So pisser is better than fsr but still lags behing dlss. As expected. I'm still glad to see fsr fuck off.
Bojji
Member
It leaves some edges completely not anti aliased and image is oversharpened. I bet they will improve it with time.
You can use (in games with FSR 3.1) DLSS in combination with FSR3.1 frame gen on 3070ti, in theory there is nothing stopping developers in doing the same with PSSR-FSR3.1 combo.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
That pic is probably why you sound poor all the time.
Sorry but my 4090 is shitting all over your PS5 Pro. Do not confuse my disinterest or my advice with poverty my friend. Especially when I can buy a PS5 Pro every week and still live the good life.
+ just so you think more the next time you post, a picture of when I received everything, just for you
ChiefDada
Gold Member
It will improve over time but yeah FSR can fuck off. Hate FSR. I was hoping for a similar DLSS solution on consoles. Sony made the right call there. Hopefully will get better and improve as time goes by.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Bojji
Member
Senua
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Crispy Gamer
Member
Yup future development on PS6 should be extremely streamlined with PSSR 2 this should reduce the teething period when starting a new generation for devs, I guess Sony thinks the backlash is worth it for the dividends they could reap on the back-end because this tech can't be cheap.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
This dude going through X looking for "gotchas" without even reading the article...
Go play some videogames bro.
akira__
Banned
They toned down allot compared to their best deal in gaming days.The jehovah witnesses of the gaming world
ChiefDada
Gold Member
This dude going through X looking for "gotchas" without even reading the article...
Go play some videogames bro.
Actually, I read the article well before I saw OP's post. Did you? And which section of the article would undercut my response to OP suggesting 4090 would have no problems running future games maxed out at 4k60? FFXVI is just one example. There are a handful of others as well.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Wouldn't 80fps with framegen mean it's running at 40fps native framerate on a 4090? That's pretty shit.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
That's not what they say in the article Chief posted.