Senua
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No, it wouldn't.
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DF Direct Weekly #180: The PS5 Pro Breakdown: GT7, TLOUp2, Ratchet, Horizon, Alan Wake 2 + More!
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DenchDeckard
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Yeah, I thought it was 60 as I'd not watched rhe video. Shame it's 30.
That's why you buy a 5090 you peasant.
Only kidding.
Just watching the video now. Last of us 2 looks great and pssr is doing an awesome job.
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
Next time, follow the conversation before jumping in. If you did, you'd understand they're speaking within the context of native frames and resolution.
RobRSG
Member
Probably being broke is better than thinking that are above anyone by buying a expensive console. If you are somewhat conscious about money, you wouldn’t spend this amount of money in a console.
Heck, for example I remember a dude with a 3DO living in a favela back in Brazil in 1994 bragging about it. Not a indicative of wealth or smartness in any sense.
Huh? It says
"By simply enabling DLSS 3 Frame Generation with DLAA, you can get framerates over 80fps"
Which means it's dropping to 40fps native at 80fps.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Need to see benchmarks but it says this: At Native 4K/Max, the game cannot maintain 60fps at all times on the NVIDIA RTX 4090. There are areas in which NVIDIA’s GPU can push over 70fps. However, in the most demanding areas, the framerate can drop to the 50s.
If it maintains 60fps+ 80% of the time and drops to the 50s only in the absolutely most demanding scenes, I'd call this a 60fps experience.
It says it drops to the 50s in the most demanding scenes. I assume frame generation gets you 80fps+ in those scenes.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The 3do would have still sucked at half the price.Probably being broke is better than thinking that are above anyone by buying a expensive console. If you are somewhat conscious about money, you wouldn’t spend this amount of money in a console.
Heck, for example I remember a dude with a 3DO living in a favela back in Brazil in 1994 bragging about it. Not a indicative of wealth or smartness in any sense.
Senua
Gold Member
Yes it would. Framegen doubles framerate with a GPU overhead meaning it needs more to use but doubles from the native framerate.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
4K with DLAA is still native in both input and output. And I don't see anyone talking about native frames.
So what? Game still runs above 60 if you enable frame gen.
Calverz
Member
You’re buying? I always thought you were mainly pc? Shows how much I know lol
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Not true.
Yes when you enable framegen it lowers your native framerate but doubles it with AI generated frames.
It's true though.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am mainly PC but yeah I want the best Playstation experience I can get as well for future titles
Senua
Gold Member
FalconPunch
Member
Just say you can't afford it and play your regular ps5. The problem is since the price was announced, a whole lot of "financial advisors" were out here trying to tell us all how to spend our money. Many are concerned that a successful ps5 pro would lead to an increase in price for the ps6 and they don't want that.... I truly wish we could have honest discussion about the price instead of this facade of lies. "It not worth it", "it's too expensive", etc....Probably being broke is better than thinking that are above anyone by buying a expensive console. If you are somewhat conscious about money, you wouldn’t spend this amount of money in a console.
Heck, for example I remember a dude with a 3DO living in a favela back in Brazil in 1994 bragging about it. Not a indicative of wealth or smartness in any sense.
A ferrari is too expensive for me, but I don't go around trying to tell people who can afford it not to buy it. That's what a lot of the arguments sound like here. We even have one guy who bought a 4090, one of the biggest waste of money every released(i owned one) telling people not to buy a ps5 pro. Irony could slap him in the face and he'd be none the wiser.
I don't understand what you're showing here. It's proving exactly what I said. Enabling framegen adds to your frametime but doubles that lowered native framerate.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
He didn't say native anything
I guess y'all just pick and choose when to be disingenuous. Carry on with the nonsense..
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Your conclusion is incorrect. You don't just chop the frame rate of frame generation in half to get the non-frame gen frame rate.
owandeseis
Member
The Alan Wake 2 isn't a fair comparison anyways as i really doubt it's using any path tracing on the Pro.
As per the comparisons it'll depend i guess, in RT games the difference will be quite noticeable, for example a 4070 should run maxed Hogwarts at over 30 FPS, and i bet that Pro version isn't maxed.
Meanwhile, 30 FPS modes that don't use RT, or 60 FPS modes that don't use DLSS3 on the 4070 should be quite similar, and some ports like the ubisoft ones (Assassins Creed for example) or the 1st Party Sony games could even look a bit better on the Pro.
80 FPS with DLSS3 FG would be 54 native AFAIK, as it creates an extra frame per each 2 real ones, basically a 50% increase.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I guess y'all just pick and choose when to be disingenuous. Carry on with the nonsense..
Killjoy-NL
Member
No it's not. It's directly from nvidia
"Pairs of super-resolution frames from the game, along with both engine and optical flow motion vectors, are then fed into a convolutional neural network that analyzes the data and automatically generates an additional frame for each game-rendered frame"
It adds to frametime to generate this additional frame meaning your game rendered frame is your native framerate which is lower than when framegen isn't enabled.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
My question is: if the game runs at above 60fps and feels good to play... who gives a shit?
This is like complaining about the native res when using DLSS/PSSR.
Oh no, my super clean 4K image comes from a 1440p native image? Guess I'll just kill myself.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
You are the one quoting me at first, with a stupid sentence. So you get a stupid response as I'm trying to be at your level.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Anyway, curious if Hunt Showdown gets a boost on PS5 Pro.
The only game out rn that I'd want to check out straight away.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Exactly where do you see the frame rate doubling here? In fact, find me benchmarks where frame generation doubles your fps. Plus, It adds to the latency, not to your frame time. The frame time is merely the time between frames. You cannot have a higher frame time with a higher frame rate.
XXL
Member
Exactly I agree with you, I don't know. Native seems to be all the rage nowadays.This is like complaining about the native res when using DLSS/PSSR.
Oh no, my super clean 4K image comes from a 1440p native image? Guess I'll just kill myself.
There is nothing wrong except that framegen is slightly different in that it comes with a slightly bitter pill of increased latency. Like you're playing a 40fps game that's displaying at 80fps.
I mean - yes, strictly speaking the correct term is 'upsampling'. Just because the data inserted between 'real' samples is - closer to ground truth (history and jitter etc.), doesn't change it from being upsampling though - the definition says nothing about that.
The frame-multiplication factor is entirely arbitrary - you can just as easily generate 3-4 or however many in between frames (so long as framegen is fast enough to keep up), so the performance multiplier can greatly exceed 'double'.
Sticking with 2x multiplier is just there to give synthetic frames less on-screen time (and thus minimise visible artifacts).
If you do 4x (eg: ),
you can start to notice artifacts more easily (though note this video was frame-gen on 20 year old hardware running with a tiny fraction of the processing cost of any modern interpolator).
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Topher
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Compared to 7800x3D? I like Phawx, but PS5 Pro isn't meant to be a high end PC. The CPU is going to suffer in some CPU bound games, more than likely.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
You won't catch me saying that lol.
I think both DLSS and PSSR are great stuff. Hope the tech keeps improving since it's basically free frames, and even better IQ in some cases.
Honestly, I haven't used frame-gen too much so far so I can't comment on that. Dude in the article that Chief posted said the experience felt smooth to him, but I guess everyone has their own definition for what "smooth" means.
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Maybe you're misunderstanding what I'm saying? You see that 112? That means it's native framerate in that mode is 56fps. That is below 72fps because of the GPU overhead that framegen adds.
Exactly where do you see the frame rate doubling here? In fact, find me benchmarks where frame generation doubles your fps. Plus, It adds to the latency, not to your frame time. The frame time is merely the time between frames. You cannot have a higher frame time with a higher frame rate.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Correct, and NVIDIA says "up to two times", but you never actually see two times in games. It's generally around 50-80%, so stating that the game runs at 40fps without frame generation based on the fact that it runs at 80 with it is incorrect.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Hahaha
Probably, the cryengine is very scalable now and Crytek are technical wizards just like Insomniac
I didn’t say the game runs at 40fps without framegen I said with framegen it's running at 40fps native and getting doubled to 80fps. There is a difference. That's where your misunderstanding comes from.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Ah, then yes, I misunderstood. The game runs at around 50 without frame generation and around 80 with it in the heaviest scenes. However, frame generation adds to the latency, not to the frame times.
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Who is Cary Golomb
It adds to native frametime hence why it adds latency.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
More like 5k. The card alone costed 2100eBRO.............did you just post a picture of you buying $2800 of PC parts in a PS5 Pro thread?!
You PC Master Race guys are literally nuts! What are we doing here?
BUT a PC isn't only for games, I use it as a media center and to mess with the unreal engine 5 as I'm learning to develop my own game. Also you don't need that to do better than the PS5 Pro anyway
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
If by "native" you mean GPU frame time vs display/monitor frame time, then yes.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
More like 5k. The card alone costed 2100e
BUT a PC isn't only for games, I use it as a media center and to mess with the unreal engine 5 as I'm learning to develop my own game. Also you don't need that to do better than the PS5 Pro anyway
WHOA! 5K is nuts!!!!
Crispy Gamer
Member
Rich from the digital foundry article.. "It was somewhat disappointing to see newcomers to the DF Supporter Program share those details this weekend ahead of the show's public release and with none of the surrounding, crucial context'..... "The flexibility of machine learning-based upscaling means that 'how good the game looks' takes precedence over 'how high the pixel count is'. "Just to be clear then: if a game runs at a 'low' resolution on PS5, and an equally 'low' resolution on PS5 Pro, they are not the same thing'. "Improved upscaling makes a difference, but bearing in mind the extra horsepower of the Pro, we can imagine that the developers are doing more with those pixels."
It's a good read
It's a good read
Topher
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Mr Moose
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The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is a desktop processor with 8 cores, launched in January 2023, at an MSRP of $449.
Bojji
Member
The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is a desktop processor with 8 cores, launched in January 2023, at an MSRP of $449.
7600 is 100% better than PS5 Pro CPU for
Zathalus
Member
DF Weekly: PS5 Pro's PSSR AI upscaling could be a game-changer
Armed with broadcast quality footage, Digital Foundry re-assesses the PS5 Pro's contentious reveal.
www.eurogamer.net
Good read, basically don’t stress about native pixel count, PSSR is doing a much better job in driving a convincing final output.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
which is all gamers on consoles should care about! does it look crisp clean and play at a fixed 60fps or above? If yes BUY!DF Weekly: PS5 Pro's PSSR AI upscaling could be a game-changer
Armed with broadcast quality footage, Digital Foundry re-assesses the PS5 Pro's contentious reveal.
Good read, basically don’t stress about native pixel count, PSSR is doing a much better job in driving a convincing final output.
Mr Moose
Member
Doesn't it perform like a 5600X3D? It's a nice CPU.7600 is 100% better than PS5 Pro CPU for