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[Golgo 13]

As someone who gladly bought and enjoyed the PS4 Pro, Sony has utterly failed to sell me on the PS5 Pro. I don’t know what could have made this more appealing - more power, a lower price, etc. Maybe both?

I really hope this changes as more patches come in and the gulf between standard PS5/Pro could potentially become more evident. Time will tell.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

I would say id has with Doom Eternal and I'm not seeing 700 quid worth of difference in Spiderman 2 on the Pro

There really is no comparison when Spiderman 2 has full raytracing effects in an open world game, while Doom Eternal is linear and runs last gen consoles. Its the first all raytracing game, meaning there is no mode that doesnt have raytracing. The tech Insomniac is pushing is much more impressive considering it still runs well on a base PS5.

 

[GHG]

As someone who gladly bought and enjoyed the PS4 Pro, Sony has utterly failed to sell me on the PS5 Pro. I don’t know what could have made this more appealing - more power, a lower price, etc. Maybe both?

I really hope this changes as more patches come in and the gulf between standard PS5/Pro could potentially become more evident. Time will tell.

Ironically, the reason I'm not getting one is because pretty much all the games are available on PC. If I didn't have powerful systems at my disposal then I'd get one for sure, but in this case their PC port strategy has lost them a hardware sale.

 

[PandaOk]

So there is no explanation why they choose to play lesser version of games. /s

Smart with their money probably

 

[pasterpl]

Smart with their money probably

I guess so, if you are willing to accept lesser versions, ps5pro is a good choice.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I guess so, if you are willing to accept lesser versions, ps5pro is a good choice.

You’re a supporter of the Series S. Think about that for a minute.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

I took Ratchet for a spin earlier and WOW hands down the most impressive thing I've seen on the pro so far it looks like a Pixar movie it's the cleanest game I've seen

 

[Skifi28]

Is it just me or can't we have a single thread mentioning anything ps5 pro that doesn't turn into an intergalactic war?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Is it just me or can't we have a single thread mentioning anything ps5 pro that doesn't turn into an intergalactic war?

This is nothing. PS3 vs 360 and PS5 vs Series X topics were far worse.

 

[Unknown?]

I need my 144 fps (yes peasants, you can run games above 30 fps)

You need 1000fps to have the clarity of a CRT from 1980.

 

[Skifi28]

This is nothing. PS3 vs 360 and PS5 vs Series X topics were far worse.

Sure, but those were all brand new consoles competing with one another so it was to be expected to an extend. This is just a standalone midgen refresh, I just don't see why everyone's up in arms about it the moment it's mentioned.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

So same performance and resolution in both modes, performance mode at 1440p with PSSR and quality mode with a couple of slight raytracing improvements but capped at 30 fps.

$699... yikes!

Good thing I can play the quality mode at close to 60 then.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

The performance mode is much improved, it’s doing better fidelity than the original 30fps mode

I think it's just better to start building the ignore list than giving the insufferable trolls the light of day. They clearly can't comprehend anything.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Sure, but those were all brand new consoles competing with one another so it was to be expected to an extend. This is just a standalone midgen refresh, I just don't see why everyone's up in arms about it the moment it's mentioned.

For the most part, it’s just a select few who seem to be bothered by its existence, but not enough to avoid topics about it. I agree with you 100% mind you, but all one has to is look around and it’s the same usernames making the most noise about something that’s apparently “not worth it”.

Of course everyone isn’t going to like and that’s fine. I can get behind that. But, when the same folks have to throw out PC specs to try and prove a point, it’s no wonder we end up here.

 

[pasterpl]

You’re a supporter of the Series S. Think about that for a minute.

Got even 2 of Xbox series s for my goddaughter and my godson, I myself got Xbox series x, and waiting for stock to comeback to get my second one - galaxy limited edition Xbox series x, I also support switch, got steam deck, and rog ally x, GameCube, Dreamcast, xbox360, ps2, psx - but play mainly on my Xbox series x and my gaming PC. Just waiting for my new 42” Oled 4k 120hz monitor for my 2nd gaming station - already got 48” Oled 4k 120hz gaming monitor already. So with play anywhere, and games on gamepass and save sync I play a lot of games across multiple devices. But when I want to get best possible IQ I will always default to PC (if the port is not screwed), but usually PlayStation games this gen have zero interest for me (and looking at their sales volumes on PC I am in majority) I prefer to buy other titles on steam or gog.

 

[Topher]

He's on a mission lolol

 

[XXL]

I don't think of any of this. I'm just fucking around trying to prove a point of how ridiculous and annoying it is.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't think of any of this. I'm just fucking around trying to prove a point of how ridiculous and annoying it is.

They lost their shit, but sniff their own.

 

[Topher]

So basically Pro improves on Spider-man 2 in many subtle ways. Very cool that fidelity mode runs relatively high frame rates. That's actually better than advertised.

I don't think of any of this. I'm just fucking around trying to prove a point of how ridiculous and annoying it is.

I'm a PC gamer, but I'm really tired of seeing this Pro vs PC debate in every damn thread. I'm trying to avoid comparisons at all going forward because it seems like every little thing triggers a mess.

Not like any of these PC vs console arguments are new. Rehashing the same old shit that's been barfed out for years now.

 

[XXL]

I'm a PC gamer, but I'm really tired of seeing this Pro vs PC debate in every damn thread. I'm trying to avoid comparisons at all going forward because it seems like every little thing triggers a mess.

Not like any of these PC vs console arguments are new. Rehashing the same old shit that's but barfed out for years now.

Completely agree. I love and own pretty much every platform, because they all have benefits.

But this shit is getting ridiculous.

 

[Forsete]

That's not a 10 000 dollar differance.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The fidelity Pro mode DOES drop below the VRR range at times and the result is that it doesn't feel nearly as smooth as the Performance Pro. The resulting IQ advantages of fidelity are pretty subtle and not very noticeable during actual gameplay. Even if you're looking for them, they're hard to spot. Fidelity cool to check out if you have the proper TV but no question the Perf Mode is the better playing mode (coming from someone who has only played Spiderman games in Fidelity modes).

This would mean going below 28 FPS if it were true (at least in Spider-man 2 as the game is using LFC and VRR when you play in a 120 Hz container). I do not believe it is often at all… that would be an embarrassing bug come on…

 

[SkyHighTrees]

this not 1 milliõ, by pacorabanne

 

[Chuck Berry]

How many Palestinian flags did throw around the city and patch in for this? At the higher resolution I bet they look extra crisp.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It’s been a while since I played it, so I’m happy to be corrected. No need to be so rude and blunt.

It’s not. Miles Morales had a 60fps performance RT mode. When the VRR update came out this mode could do over 60fps. 70-80fps was often the norm, sometime higher. The RT was cut down a bit and the resolution was 1440p-1080p DRS.

This is a result of people loading the FPS counter on their TVs without knowing that once you enable the 120hz mode the reading isn't always accurate.

 

[metareferential]

Am I going blind or is the game starting to look dated, pssr or not?

 

[Zathalus]

This is a result of people loading the FPS counter on their TVs without knowing that once you enable the 120hz mode the reading isn't always accurate.

It was 60fps locked in the non VRR mode, unlocking the FPS just boosted those numbers higher. TV panel readings are indeed inaccurate with LFC as the doubling of framerate will make any readings useless, but LFC doesn’t kick in above 60fps. Any panel readings between 60-120 fps will be correct.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Am I going blind or is the game starting to look dated, pssr or not?

Blind.

It has top tier visuals to this day

 

[Zathalus]

Am I going blind or is the game starting to look dated, pssr or not?

As opposed to what? The only large open world city games I know of that look better are Cyberpunk 2077 and probably GTA 6.

Sure, individual things like random NPCs or cars are not the best, but it’s a huge open world game. Main character models still look top notch.

 

[MikeM]

So basically Pro improves on Spider-man 2 in many subtle ways. Very cool that fidelity mode runs relatively high frame rates. That's actually better than advertised.

I'm a PC gamer, but I'm really tired of seeing this Pro vs PC debate in every damn thread. I'm trying to avoid comparisons at all going forward because it seems like every little thing triggers a mess.

Not like any of these PC vs console arguments are new. Rehashing the same old shit that's been barfed out for years now.

I don’t get why it keeps getting brought up. People who want to play on PC buy PCs. People who want the console experience play on consoles.

 

[TrebleShot]

Am I going blind or is the game starting to look dated, pssr or not?

Lol I booted it up earlier and thought the same.

Character models outside of the main lot are awful. That scene in the school at the start i couldn't believe my eyes. Hardly any shadows and shading maybe it's a bug?

In general during set pieces etc it looks amazing but there's some rough bits.

 

[Gaiff]

As opposed to what? The only large open world city games I know of that look better are Cyberpunk 2077 and probably GTA 6.

Sure, individual things like random NPCs or cars are not the best, but it’s a huge open world game. Main character models still look top notch.

RDR2 still looks incredible.

 

[gerth666]

Got even 2 of Xbox series s for my goddaughter and my godson, I myself got Xbox series x, and waiting for stock to comeback to get my second one - galaxy limited edition Xbox series x, I also support switch, got steam deck, and rog ally x, GameCube, Dreamcast, xbox360, ps2, psx - but play mainly on my Xbox series x and my gaming PC. Just waiting for my new 42” Oled 4k 120hz monitor for my 2nd gaming station - already got 48” Oled 4k 120hz gaming monitor already. So with play anywhere, and games on gamepass and save sync I play a lot of games across multiple devices. But when I want to get best possible IQ I will always default to PC (if the port is not screwed), but usually PlayStation games this gen have zero interest for me (and looking at their sales volumes on PC I am in majority) I prefer to buy other titles on steam or gog.

Do you despise your godchildren or something?

 

[Zathalus]

RDR2 still looks incredible.

True, I was just thinking of a modern/future megacity type setting.

 

[sachos]

So is the Pro Performance Mode running with same settings as Base PS5 Fidelity? This video is missing crucial comparisons against the Base PS5 modes to get a better feel of the performance delta and the actual "value" of the upgrade.
They must be rushing to try and cover every game.

 

[poppabk]

Most PCs are weaker than a base PS5.

You probably have a 2070.

Most playstations are weaker than my 5 year old Walmart laptop. Not sure what the relevance is?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Most playstations are weaker than my 5 year old Walmart laptop. Not sure what the relevance is?

Um, most PlayStations are at least 4-years-old. So who gives a shit?

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Most playstations are weaker than my 5 year old Walmart laptop. Not sure what the relevance is?

Could you post your 5 year old Walmart laptop playing ratchet, spiderman 2 or God of war R with a framerate counter

 

[poppabk]

Could you post your 5 year old Walmart laptop playing ratchet, spiderman 2 or God of war R with a framerate counter

Post a PS2 doing it first.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

So is the Pro Performance Mode running with same settings as Base PS5 Fidelity? This video is missing crucial comparisons against the Base PS5 modes to get a better feel of the performance delta and the actual "value" of the upgrade.
They must be rushing to try and cover every game.

I think they didn't went in more details regarding comparisons with base console because the Pro limitations would become more apparent. And they certainly already understood that milking content and hyping the Pro is giving them lots of views…

 

[pasterpl]

Do you despise your godchildren or something?

Nope, completely opposite. There are no good games on PlayStation 5 (imo), much broader choice on Xbox and with addition of gamepass for both their parents don’t have to worry about about buying new games for them. Choose the best option for them, PlayStation 5 was never consideration, for them or for me and so far I have seen I have made the right choice. (And yeah. I have played Spider-Man, god of war, the order, until down, Detroit, driveclub, death stranding, uncharted, TLOU, days gone etc on my ps4pro last gen, haven’t finished any, bloated boring games - imo. - this gen I haven’t seen anything much different, so simple choice for me). Why would I punish kids with PlayStation 5 and such a limited game choice?

 

[gerth666]

Nope, completely opposite. There are no good games on PlayStation 5 (imo), much broader choice on Xbox and with addition of gamepass for both their parents don’t have to worry about about buying new games for them. Choose the best option for them, PlayStation 5 was never consideration, for them or for me and so far I have seen I have made the right choice. (And yeah. I have played Spider-Man, god of war, the order, until down, Detroit, driveclub, death stranding, uncharted, TLOU, days gone etc on my ps4pro last gen, haven’t finished any, bloated boring games - imo. - this gen I haven’t seen anything much different, so simple choice for me). Why would I punish kids with PlayStation 5 and such a limited game choice?

This reads like it's been written by someone whom should not be given the responsibility of godchildren

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Nope, completely opposite. There are no good games on PlayStation 5 (imo), much broader choice on Xbox and with addition of gamepass for both their parents don’t have to worry about about buying new games for them. Choose the best option for them, PlayStation 5 was never consideration, for them or for me and so far I have seen I have made the right choice. (And yeah. I have played Spider-Man, god of war, the order, until down, Detroit, driveclub, death stranding, uncharted, TLOU, days gone etc on my ps4pro last gen, haven’t finished any, bloated boring games - imo. - this gen I haven’t seen anything much different, so simple choice for me). Why would I punish kids with PlayStation 5 and such a limited game choice

If this post had any bit of truth to it the Xbox would be dominating right now

 

[Team Andromeda]

There really is no comparison when Spiderman 2 has full raytracing effects in an open world game, while Doom Eternal is linear and runs last gen consoles. Its the first all raytracing game, meaning there is no mode that doesnt have raytracing. The tech Insomniac is pushing is much more impressive considering it still runs well on a base PS5.

Doom Eternal is the best example 'I've' seen of Raytracing in a console game but that is just my view. I'm not that impressed with Spiderman 2 on the Pro it's not a big jump over the already impressive base game.
So far only 2 games have impressed me

 

[Zathalus]

Doom Eternal is the best example 'I've' seen of Raytracing in a console game but that is just my view. I'm not that impressed with Spiderman 2 on the Pro it's not a big jump over the already impressive base game.
So far only 2 games have impressed me

You should check out Metro Exodus. Pretty impressive RT feature set for the base consoles.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Am I the only who feels Spiderman 2 isn't a particularly good looking game? It's nothing impressive.

 

[Team Andromeda]

You should check out Metro Exodus. Pretty impressive RT feature set for the base consoles.

I have it but Doom Enteral was the one console game where I could see the ray tracing and where it was of decent quality and the game was still smooth. I should also give more credit to Avatar as well

 

[T-0800]

Am I the only who feels Spiderman 2 isn't a particularly good looking game? It's nothing impressive.

Sharp knee vibes here.

 

[vkbest]

Post a PS2 doing it first.

Post a Amstrad, Amiga, MSX, Spectrum, Pentium, Pentium 2, etc doing it first

 

[Lysandros]

Post a Amstrad, Amiga, MSX, Spectrum, Pentium, Pentium 2, etc doing it first

I have an Amstrad but it doesn't post anymore, sorry.