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[Bumblebeetuna]

I just found out that Ubi is referencing Spidey 2 in its cover - the color palette is not similar is outright identical.
EDIT: also 2 playable characters, one whit one black in both games, it cannot be coincidence

Payback for Insomniac ripping off Ubi's formula when they made Spider-Man. It's FarCry/AC with Arkham combat.

 

[MMaRsu]

I don't agree with that, there games like NieR and 13 Sentinels have amazing story.

Most games I said, there are always exceptions to the rule

 

[calico]

Sadly for your agenda, KCD 2 was in that race too.

'AC outsold KCD2.' Ok? Should those even be close?

This is why these activists choose to name what it was beaten by (which tells us precisely nothing about how well something did) rather than name what it beat.

 

[Power Pro]

It would be if Naoe was white, but she isn't.

 

[Ozriel]

'AC outsold KCD2.' Ok? Should those even be close?

We don't know if it's close. We just know it outsold a game that was hailed as a significant success.

This is why these activists choose to name what it was beaten by (which tells us precisely nothing about how well something did) rather than name what it beat.

When you're told something is the second best selling game YTD, what do you expect to be named? The game in first place or the ones in 3rd and 4th place?

 

[Goalus]

I just found out that Ubi is referencing Spidey 2 in its cover - the color palette is not similar is outright identical.
EDIT: also 2 playable characters, one whit one black in both games, it cannot be coincidence

Assassin's Creed is missing the spandex costumes - and is suddenly looking pretty good next to that turd.

 

[balls of snow]

Hell yeah. It should too, better ac than Valhalla.

 

[thismeinteil]

It's been out almost a month and we're still stuck at the 3M players announcement from the 27th. Even when it hits 4M players, that'll only be roughly 2M in sales. Yea, not exactly a smash hit like some are saying it is.

 

[PeteBull]

Has a lot of this vibe

Yups, That guy is getting paid big bucks for lying, he is literally lying for a living, yes he is really good at it aka doesnt technically lie but only gives partial data, omits any data that arent good for narrative he is paid to push, still if we took all our info from him we would know nothing about gaming market/what sells/what bombs, especially worldwide.
Remember his BS from a while ago? , we know in hindsight it was 100% lie.




Another example:

Circana: Xbox Series is trailing behind Xbox One and Xbox 360 in sales in the U.S.

Analyst Mat Piscatella from Circana calculated that the Xbox Series is selling 13% worse in the American market than the Xbox One did at the same point in its lifecycle and is “slightly” trailing in sales compared to the Xbox 360.

app2top.com

Here narrative was- yeh xbox series consoles selling bit worse than xbox one/x360 but its not by much and things could change like in x360 case


And we know xbox consoles basically stopped selling worldwide for a while now

Drama  Thread 'PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months'

Sep 17, 2024

Since we got new information for LTD sales data I decide to do so math and extract the recent sales ratio.

As of June 2024 the PS5 is at 61.3M consoles and Xbox is at 28.3M consoles.

Here is the thread with this info.

WSJ - PS5 shipped 61.7M and Xbox Series 28.3M WW, as of the end of june 2024, PC Sales Falling

Yep Exclusives matter. In fact nothing else matters. Just look at Nintendo they Even can deliver a most outdated hardware ans sell it like pancakes( at proffit) just because thier exclusives. So that makes the recent acquisitions even more puzzling. Wouldn’t you want to ensure those titles...

www.neogaf.com

More Context

PS5 sold 32M as of Feb 2023

PS5 Sales Climb To 32M, Which Is Millions Behind Where PS4 Was Over Same Period Of Time

Sony sold 7.1 million PS5 consoles in the past three months.

www.gamespot.com

Xbox had sold 21M as of June...

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[calico]

We just know it outsold a game that was hailed as a significant success.

'AC sold better than what was considered successful for KCD2' Ok? So what? Are those franchises even considered to be in the same league?

When you're told something is the second best selling game YTD, what do you expect to be named? The game in first place or the ones in 3rd and 4th place?

Ideally all of those things if the intent is genuinely to inform and give context rather than lie by omission. What does telling me X beat Y tell me about how well Y did? If it was beating something noteworthy for it to be beating, there's a 100% chance the writer would include that information.

 

[Woopah]

Yups, That guy is getting paid big bucks for lying, he is literally lying for a living, yes he is really good at it aka doesnt technically lie but only gives partial data, omits any data that arent good for narrative he is paid to push, still if we took all our info from him we would know nothing about gaming market/what sells/what bombs, especially worldwide.
Remember his BS from a while ago? , we know in hindsight it was 100% lie.




Another example:

Circana: Xbox Series is trailing behind Xbox One and Xbox 360 in sales in the U.S.

Analyst Mat Piscatella from Circana calculated that the Xbox Series is selling 13% worse in the American market than the Xbox One did at the same point in its lifecycle and is “slightly” trailing in sales compared to the Xbox 360.

app2top.com

Here narrative was- yeh xbox series consoles selling bit worse than xbox one/x360 but its not by much and things could change like in x360 case


And we know xbox consoles basically stopped selling worldwide for a while now

Drama  Thread 'PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months'

Sep 17, 2024

Since we got new information for LTD sales data I decide to do so math and extract the recent sales ratio.

As of June 2024 the PS5 is at 61.3M consoles and Xbox is at 28.3M consoles.

Here is the thread with this info.

WSJ - PS5 shipped 61.7M and Xbox Series 28.3M WW, as of the end of june 2024, PC Sales Falling

Yep Exclusives matter. In fact nothing else matters. Just look at Nintendo they Even can deliver a most outdated hardware ans sell it like pancakes( at proffit) just because thier exclusives. So that makes the recent acquisitions even more puzzling. Wouldn’t you want to ensure those titles...

www.neogaf.com

More Context

PS5 sold 32M as of Feb 2023

PS5 Sales Climb To 32M, Which Is Millions Behind Where PS4 Was Over Same Period Of Time

Sony sold 7.1 million PS5 consoles in the past three months.

www.gamespot.com

Xbox had sold 21M as of June...

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His prediction for Gamepass was 100% incorrect, but I don't see any reason to doubt the US hardware numbers.

He has reported several times that PS5 is selling better PS4, while Xbox Series sells worse than Xbox One. What narrative is he being paid to push with this data?

 

[PeteBull]

His prediction for Gamepass was 100% incorrect, but I don't see any reason to doubt the US hardware numbers.

He has reported several times that PS5 is selling better PS4, while Xbox Series sells worse than Xbox One. What narrative is he being paid to push with this data?

What it sounded like to unconcious consumer was- its ok/safe to buy xbox series consoles since they are still doing fine, and we know very well it was not the case for a while, ofc here on gaf ppl get info from many sources and we take all what Mr Piscatela says with strong corpo filter put on it, normal casual gamer who isnt in the know will be easily deceived

 

[nial]

Kotaro right now

I love Madoka Magica.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

All this round about beating around the bush bullshit and yet no sales numbers. wtf.

 

[Woopah]

What it sounded like to unconcious consumer was- its ok/safe to buy xbox series consoles since they are still doing fine, and we know very well it was not the case for a while, ofc here on gaf ppl get info from many sources and we take all what Mr Piscatela says with strong corpo filter put on it, normal casual gamer who isnt in the know will be easily deceived

Mat's main target audience isn't casual gamers, it's people in the video game industry who are interested in Circana's data.

Let's look at what he said in his last full report:

"After each platform's first 52 months in market, PlayStation 5 unit sales exceed PlayStation 4's sales pace by 7%, while Xbox Series now trails Xbox One by 19%."

He didn't say that to sell PS5s or tell people irs ok/safe to buy Xboxes. He didnt say it because Sony doing well and MS not doing well is the narrative he's paid to push.

He said it to sell Circana subscriptions. Not everything is about console wars.

 

[PeteBull]

Mat's main target audience isn't casual gamers, it's people in the video game industry who are interested in Circana's data.

Let's look at what he said in his last full report:

"After each platform's first 52 months in market, PlayStation 5 unit sales exceed PlayStation 4's sales pace by 7%, while Xbox Series now trails Xbox One by 19%."

He didn't say that to sell PS5s or tell people irs ok/safe to buy Xboxes. He didnt say it because Sony doing well and MS not doing well is the narrative he's paid to push.

He said it to sell Circana subscriptions. Not everything is about console wars.

His last circana report doesnt matter since ppl found out the truth about extremly bad performance of xbox series consoles a while ago already, any1 can now check/find out in how dire state xbox is after few seconds of google search, wasnt the case before obviously

Currently we want/need info on how well AC:S sold globally, how much revenue it made, so if he was fully transparrent we would get that info openly, ofc its not in his best interest to tell us that since his true intenton is to make ppl subscribe to his paid service at circana instead

Im not blaming him, thats his job, just saying we cant be naive and not understand whats the purpose behind specific wording of his, and he isnt super inteligent guy for nothing, so purpose is definitely there =D

Its like nightlife/parties in the club- guys aproach hot bimbos to slide inbetween their soulgaps, while bimbos are doing their best to finese those guys for cash/free drinks/food/complements/attention w/o giving the guys what they really want, its a tug of war, we- avg gamers are like those thirsty guys at the club, mat is like that hot bimbo trying to deceive us and pretending she likes us for us, while in reality giving us only scraps of info and not what we really want- and thats fine-dont hate the players, hate the game

 

[Woopah]

His last circana report doesnt matter since ppl found out the truth about extremly bad performance of xbox series consoles a while ago already, any1 can now check/find out in how dire state xbox is after few seconds of google search, wasnt the case before obviously

Currently we want/need info on how well AC:S sold globally, how much revenue it made, so if he was fully transparrent we would get that info openly, ofc its not in his best interest to tell us that since his true intenton is to make ppl subscribe to his paid service at circana instead

Well firstly Circana is not global. The monthly reports are only for the US. Other regions are covered by other trackers and like Circana, they don't let employees share all the their data. The only company that knows Shadows' revenue figures is Ubisoft

And secondly, the reason we know how badly Xbox is doing in the US is because Circana told us. Any Google search on Xbox's performance in the US will have Circana as the source.

You say his last report didn't matter. What about the previous 20+ reports where Mat shared how badly Xbox was doing? Do those not count either?

You said that people couldn't find out about Xbox's bad performance before. But if people read Mat's reports for the last 2 years they would have known about it.

 

[nial]

ofc its not in his best interest to tell us that since his true intenton is to make ppl subscribe to his paid service at circana instead

Lol, it's not his service, it's Circana's service.

 

[PeteBull]

Well firstly Circana is not global. The monthly reports are only for the US. Other regions are covered by other trackers and like Circana, they don't let employees share all the their data. The only company that knows Shadows' revenue figures is Ubisoft

And secondly, the reason we know how badly Xbox is doing in the US is because Circana told us. Any Google search on Xbox's performance in the US will have Circana as the source.

You say his last report didn't matter. What about the previous 20+ reports where Mat shared how badly Xbox was doing? Do those not count either?

You said that people couldn't find out about Xbox's bad performance before. But if people read Mat's reports for the last 2 years they would have known about it.

What i mean by that, in his last report the crucial data wasnt how well/how bad xbox series consoles were selling, we know they selling terrible and its not gonna improve, crucial data was specific numbers of AC:S sales so we got hard data(not placement in charts, actual number of revenue they made/copies sold)- that is the juicy info we want now, and ofc we wont get it from Mat

 

[PeteBull]

Lol, it's not his service, it's Circana's service.

Bro come on, we all know who Mat is:

Mat Piscatella (@matpiscatella.bsky.social)

Executive Director & Video Game Industry Analyst at Circana (NPD). Formerly of Activision and Warner Bros Games. I helped get one of your favorite games greenlit.

bsky.app

Executive Director & Video Game Industry Analyst at Circana (NPD).

And since he made account on bluesky, additional info can be guessed from that too- being rich fuck he is- he is leftists supporting/enabling/using platform for pedophiles-bluesky, pretty bad luck, so fk him.

TLDR: So yup, from my avg mortal/just a gamer pov- he is rich lying SoB who supports platform for pedo's, they say u dont become that kind of rich w/o being terrible asshole and i guess its not wrong, im just an avg joe here, so i will never know how nasty/coldhearted person have to be to reach and keep urself at such a summit

 

[Woopah]

What i mean by that, in his last report the crucial data wasnt how well/how bad xbox series consoles were selling, we know they selling terrible and its not gonna improve, crucial data was specific numbers of AC:S sales so we got hard data(not placement in charts, actual number of revenue they made/copies sold)- that is the juicy info we want now, and ofc we wont get it from Mat

Correct. If you want hard data from GfK, Circana, GSD or Media Create, you have to pay.

My point is that keeping most data for customers is not a Mat thing or a even a Circana thing. It's an industry thing.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

It's been out almost a month and we're still stuck at the 3M players announcement from the 27th. Even when it hits 4M players, that'll only be roughly 2M in sales. Yea, not exactly a smash hit like some are saying it is.

Seems like it's not a flop but also not a smash hit, it sold enough that they can say it's selling alright but not high enough to a point where they can say it's a big success and pump put giant sales numbers yet.

This is AC which isn't a normal AAA game but one with a very popular brand name so it should be selling alright at the very least anyway. Between this and Veilguard both being high budget AAA titles that are also very popular, AC is doing better than it at least.

 

[nial]

Bro come on, we all know who Mat is:

An executive director at the video game biz group at Circana, so? It's still all on Circana itself.

And since he made account on bluesky, additional info can be guessed from that too- being rich fuck he is- he is leftists supporting/enabling/using platform for pedophiles-bluesky, pretty bad luck, so fk him.

LOL, okay.

 

[PeteBull]

Correct. If you want hard data from GfK, Circana, GSD or Media Create, you have to pay.

My point is that keeping most data for customers is not a Mat thing or a even a Circana thing. It's an industry thing.

Or, being avg joe i am, i just get my info from GAF/leaks/other outlets for free, yes i will get it likely many weeks/months later but thats fine, since gaming is just a hobby for me, not a job like for Mr Piscatela and who knows, maybe his defenders in this thread too, im chilling here, even tho ofc i got my preferences, my future/finances/job isnt in any way related to how well any game performs, evne such a huge AAA juggernaut like AC:S

 

[Woopah]

Or, being avg joe i am, i just get my info from GAF/leaks/other outlets for free, yes i will get it likely many weeks/months later but thats fine, since gaming is just a hobby for me, not a job like for Mr Piscatela and who knows, maybe his defenders in this thread too, im chilling here, even tho ofc i got my preferences, my future/finances/job isnt in any way related to how well any game performs, evne such a huge AAA juggernaut like AC:S

I'm also just chilling. I just wanted you to understand how this works.

 

[PeteBull]

I'm also just chilling. I just wanted you to understand how this works.

I do, i remember reading crazy NPD threads back in 2013/2014 when we got here leaks from aquamarine, so almost 12years of aquiring data, i remember back then we got way more info too, official info too, till suddenly npd/ aka former circana decided they can monetize this shit even more and just keept it very vague to the public, kinda miss good old days

 

[Kilau]

Of course it's a success, never had a doubt.

Spoiler

 

[EDMIX]

Something is absolutely incredible about the meltdowns regarding this game success.

Why some of you thought millions would ignore assassin's creed based on some historical junk is beyond me that's like thinking people won't buy Call of Duty because of some historical accuracy regarding a war or a specific gun or something dumb like this as if that community buys games for those fucking reasons lol

 

[Woopah]

I do, i remember reading crazy NPD threads back in 2013/2014 when we got here leaks from aquamarine, so almost 12years of aquiring data, i remember back then we got way more info too, official info too, till suddenly npd/ aka former circana decided they can monetize this shit even more and just keept it very vague to the public, kinda miss good old days

Me too. We used to get actual hardware data and software SKU numbers back then. Was way better!

 

[Radical_3d]

it did better than Civ VII

Well, as a Civ fan and Civ VII founders edition buyer let me tell you how the launch went:

Beating this game in not such a feat.

 

[onQ123]

Has a lot of this vibe

How? One is number one for 3 weeks while the other was only number one the week it released without anything else really releasing that week . Also it's number 2 for the year so far.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

It's from the same playbook, so no mystery there. But combat becomes a boring repetitive slop after a certain time. Story sucks, even non existent after act 1. Skilltree unlockables and design was made by trainees.

At least you don't have to do certain forced stupid missions like in sm2. But overall it's just a 5/10 game with one of the best weather effects and season system.

Spiderman 1 beats spiderman 2 as a whole package.

5/10? Man relax. Not every game is meant for you. They're both open world, action adventure story based games. You can make the same argument for any game being repetitive, because they're all formulaic to a degree.

 

[knguyen]

Thier games are designed to be good in the first 5%, the rest are repetitive crap. But by buying out youtube and twitch influencers, look like Ubi did better than they deserved it's it true.

 

[mckmas8808]

Gotta love when the haters are wrong. LOL!

 

[bbeach123]

Meaningless statistics ,gime real sale numbers .

Real success game will be throwing sale numbers left and right .

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I guess it's hilarious that people actually think it's doing well when nobody is sharing a simple number of copies sold number

Capcpom came out and said MH Wilds sold 8 million

Ubisoft is hiding sales number

 

[Kotaro]

Monster Hunter Wilds: 8 million SOLD in 3 days, 10 million in a month

Dragon Ball Sparking Zero: 3 million SOLD in 1 day

AC Shadows: 3 million PLAYERS in 1 week <--- it's so successful Ubisoft had to give up partial control of the franchise to China

 

[Ozriel]

Ideally all of those things if the intent is genuinely to inform and give context rather than lie by omission. What does telling me X beat Y tell me about how well Y did? If it was beating something noteworthy for it to be beating, there's a 100% chance the writer would include that information.

The most noteworthy mention has to be the title in first place.
Circana releases the tabular data of best sales YTD every month. You'll get whatever granularity you want from that.

Here's February's table

So we know that AC Shadows has now outsold KCD 2, CIV 7 and MLB The Show 25

'AC sold better than what was considered successful for KCD2' Ok? So what? Are those franchises even considered to be in the same league?

New Games can sell more than bigger, established gaming franchises. We've seen that with Wukong and Helldivers 2.

We also now know that AC Shadows outsold MLB The Show 25 in the U.S.

 

[TheAssist]

ok but what has the competition been? I cant remember any big games coming out this year so far. Monster Hunter would be the only one it lost to that.

Not saying its a bad game just really wondering what even came out this year. I'm still playing catch up with last years games.

edit: Ah ok Kingdom come Deliverance. Hmm pitty if that sold less than AC tbh. Avowed is game pass, so hard to compare. Civ 7 is PC only, somewhat niche and was full of bugs?

 

[adamsapple]

ok but what has the competition been? I cant remember any big games coming out this year so far. Monster Hunter would be the only one it lost to that.

Not saying its a bad game just really wondering what even came out this year. I'm still playing catch up with last years games.

No one was saying 'what else came out' in Monster Hunter or Kingdom Come sales threads. Kind of an odd thing to bring up here.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No one was saying 'what else came out' in Monster Hunter or Kingdom Come sales threads. Kind of an odd thing to bring up here.

To be fair those games got individual and clear sales numbers released that weren't as obscured by total players.

I think in a normal situation you'd assume Assassin's Creed would outsell KCD but not Monster Hunter, but the question remains how much better did it sell than KCD.

 

[adamsapple]

To be fair those games got individual and clear sales numbers released that weren't as obscured by total players.

That is true but neither game's publisher has their own sub service they need to prop up either. Even when Circana's results come out and if they show Shadows as the #1 game for its month, they're not gonna reveal direct sales numbers (at least not outside of their paid service), just do lip-service like "AC Shadows is the best selling game in the franchise since xyz with so and so percent sales compared to previous entries".

 

[TheAssist]

No one was saying 'what else came out' in Monster Hunter or Kingdom Come sales threads. Kind of an odd thing to bring up here.

Dont know, have not been on those threads. I dont think its odd, when someone says something sold more compared to the rest its only fair to ask what the rest actually is.

 

[geary]

To be fair those games got individual and clear sales numbers released that weren't as obscured by total players.

I think in a normal situation you'd assume Assassin's Creed would outsell KCD but not Monster Hunter, but the question remains how much better did it sell than KCD.

Those two game were not on a subscription service. Not comparing apples to apples.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That is true but neither game's publisher has their own sub service they need to prop up either. Even when Circana's results come out and if they show Shadows as the #1 game for its month, they're not gonna reveal direct sales numbers (at least not outside of their paid service), just do lip-service like "AC Shadows is the best selling game in the franchise since xyz with so and so percent sales compared to previous entries".

Those two game were not on a subscription service. Not comparing apples to apples.

I doubt that Ubisoft's subscription model has much impact on the games overall sales. While Ubi+ is available on PC it isn't on console.

We obviously won't get numbers from Circana, but what will be interesting is how long the game stays on the chart, and ultimately where it places at the end of the year relative to other games like Ghost of Yotei.

 

[calico]

So we know that AC Shadows has now outsold KCD 2, CIV 7 and MLB The Show 25

Hence the analogy I used at the start.

Which of these being outsold by Shadows do you consider to prove Shadows' success? It seems like a group of games I would expect AC to comfortably outsell.

 

[calico]

To be fair those games got individual and clear sales numbers released that weren't as obscured by total players.

Exactly. There is no need to debunk weapons-grade spin when the publishers are giving actual sales numbers.

I don't think anyone relied on 'it outsold KCD2' as the supposed proof of how successful MH Wilds was.

 

[GymWolf]

If dogshit valhalla can sell 12 mil copies i have no doubt that ac japan can do similar numbers even if it is a 7\10 at the very, very best.

 

[Shmunter]

Can we trust someone so ideologically bent they moved wholesale to Bluesky?

 

[Woopah]

A couple of things worth pointing out:

1. I believe this is just retail sales, digital data will come later with the full report
2. If a publisher has a subscription service, it's normal to use players instead of unit sales. This is not something specific to Shadows.