So far that would be a yes for me but this gen is only halfway through. It still has a bunch of great games on the system and many more to come most likely. Maybe I'm just growing away from the hobby. I seem to play less and less as each gen comes and goes. Then again maybe my taste in games hasn't changed with the times.
Do you bitter critters still think PS5 is cemented as PlayStation's worst generation?
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PS5 is their worst generation and it's not even close in my book because they've only released like 10 first party games. Old Sony used to drop almost that many games in a single year.
Now I might be biased because I always bought PlayStations for the exclusives and the PS5 just didn't bring it this time around.
Now I might be biased because I always bought PlayStations for the exclusives and the PS5 just didn't bring it this time around.
Subjective how? PS5 playing every PS4 game plus enhanced versions of some of the games & games that didn't come to PS4 is all facts the other stuff is tied to emotions lol
Topher
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I just explained how. The output of each generation can be judged separately.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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Its a dumpster generation, and the only gen i am selling the console before the generation ends. Them jumping on GaaS hasn't only damaged their reputation for me, but killed it completely. Then you watch those state of plays, and i feel like these fuckers are trolling.
PeteBull
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U arent running everything at 1080p/60 even without rt on base ps5 either- to not look far ff16 and ff7:Rebirth.
Hell now 430$ 5060ti 16gigs is stronger from the pr0 including rt capabilities/upscaling.
If u wanna go like for like with similar upscaling/rt u go with even cheaper amd's 9060xt 16gigs which has streetprice under 400$(still above msrp, give it 2-3months time).
Consoles arent that top value nowadays they once were, next gen if we lose physical media its gonna get even worse, but i wouldnt even care for value that much if sony had 10 proper high quality exclusives, ps1/2/3/4 had way more so there was reason to buy those consoles, not anymore with ps5/pr0 unfortunately =/
Did you not mention earlier that having a PC to play these same games made your PS5 redundant?
Well boom PS5 just made that PS4 redundant
playbignbox
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There is no trolling, many people are really unhappy with the lack of first-party games and since the ports initiative they are migrating to PC, because they think the PS5 has lost part of its value.
I literally "discussed" this yesterday in another thread, the Sony fanboy said that my comment about migrating was "marching orders" and blocked me at the end, I would love for him to come here and say the same thing about the dozens of users commenting exactly the same thing.
PlayStation fans need to understand that not all criticism is trolling, in fact many of the people commenting are people who had or have a PlayStation, they are literally consumers.
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Topher
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Yes it does. That's why I own a PS5 and not a PS4. If you think that prevents me from comparing games that came out during the PS4 generation against the games that came out this generation then you are simply incorrect.
PurePlatinum
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I think to properly rate anything you must establish what your criteria are, and the PS generations are all good in different ways, and somewhat hard to compare.
In terms of first party output, yeah PS3/PS4 was a golden age under Yoshida...but 3rd party at that time was really suffering.
PS1/2 had the weakest first party output but a ton of strong exclusive 3rd party games just because Japan wasn't publishing on Xbox.
PS5 hardware is phenomenal and contrary to popular sentiment, the first party situation hasn't been that horrible outside of 2023/2024, and even then they had GoTY nominated games those years...with Astro Bot WINNING. How would you like to be XGS and not be able to get a nomination once in a decade?
In terms of first party output, yeah PS3/PS4 was a golden age under Yoshida...but 3rd party at that time was really suffering.
PS1/2 had the weakest first party output but a ton of strong exclusive 3rd party games just because Japan wasn't publishing on Xbox.
PS5 hardware is phenomenal and contrary to popular sentiment, the first party situation hasn't been that horrible outside of 2023/2024, and even then they had GoTY nominated games those years...with Astro Bot WINNING. How would you like to be XGS and not be able to get a nomination once in a decade?
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Fabieter
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Brand damage happens slowly but surely, but once they realize it, its gonna be too late.
playbignbox
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I believe people are just comparing it to previous generations, there is no need for a criterion like "2 games in the GOTY" because even though there are games nominated, previous generations may have more, so the PS5 would still be considered worse anyway.
The main criticisms are:
- Lack of first-party games from Sony studios
- First-party games being ported to PC
- Exclusive games from partners are decreasing
- Prolonged crossgen, which made the console look like a "PS4 Pro Pro"
- First-party GaaS games with woke and DEI elements
These are some of the main negative points that you have in this generation but did not have in the others, which is why many people are considering it the worst.
* If I remove the reality that PS5 can play all these PS4 games that I say make PS4 generation better
Pretty much sums up the 5 years of PS5. Hopefully it changes, in the following years before late 2028 or early 2029 possible Ps6 launch. There are still so much untap potential on ps5.
phant0m
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HEY
I love Astrobot and Helldivers 2.
And Uncharted 2 is still the best Sony game
And PS5 is still their worst gen. We are over halfway through it and:
- Zero new TLOU
- Zero new Killzone
- Zero new Uncharted
- Zero new games from Bend
- Zero new games from Sucker
- Zero anything from Media Molecule
- Cross-gen GoW
- Cross-gen HZD
- 1 Ratchet game
- 1 launch remake from Bluepoint
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Fake
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Some fanboys are getting a hard time to understand that.
Maybe we should add 'IMO' into our replies to help them.
xrnzaaas
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Sony has been known to release very good games at the end of the generation so we should wait with any final opinions.
I think the hardware is great (minus Dualsense quality), finally having an SSD improved the experience a lot and I don't feel like the console is struggling to run new games. The software is the problem. I'm hugely disappointment with their first party lineup and it would be even worse if they didn't have some third party exclusives.
I think the hardware is great (minus Dualsense quality), finally having an SSD improved the experience a lot and I don't feel like the console is struggling to run new games. The software is the problem. I'm hugely disappointment with their first party lineup and it would be even worse if they didn't have some third party exclusives.
What's a PS5?
I only have the Sony XBox... 5th revision? in my house.
Anyway since the criteria is completely undefined, not sure how to do the ranking either. A lot of talk goes into 'not enough exclusives' (and when pressed, that gets further refined to exclusives that must be also high sellers), but by that logic, even PS2 sucked since it only had like 2 exclusives in top 20 best selling games on the platform - and majority of people bought the console for that top 20, not the niche stuff (where most actual exclusives resided that generation).
Anyway - it is true that since(and during) PS3 era consoles have lost most of that 'console specific' distinction in the software library, but that's happened to everyone, even Nintendo. But not sure there's any way back there.
I have a hard time saying 1st party output has really declined though - the more niche stuff that appeals to me is better on the PS5 - eg. I love Resogun, but Returnal is just better. Sackboy runs circles around all the Knacks and other 1st party platformers on PS4 combined, and the latest Ratchet is the only game in the series I actually completed.
The biggest loss is stuff from Japan studios - and Astro Bot is just one game - but the gen isn't over yet.
And in the 'big hitters' category things seem mostly on par - unless we're one of those 'if it has a PS4 version it's not real' people.
Ok fine - Killzone SF sucked (yes, it really did) - but one sucky FPS is better than 0, so there - PS4 wins that one.
I only have the Sony XBox... 5th revision? in my house.
Anyway since the criteria is completely undefined, not sure how to do the ranking either. A lot of talk goes into 'not enough exclusives' (and when pressed, that gets further refined to exclusives that must be also high sellers), but by that logic, even PS2 sucked since it only had like 2 exclusives in top 20 best selling games on the platform - and majority of people bought the console for that top 20, not the niche stuff (where most actual exclusives resided that generation).
Anyway - it is true that since(and during) PS3 era consoles have lost most of that 'console specific' distinction in the software library, but that's happened to everyone, even Nintendo. But not sure there's any way back there.
I have a hard time saying 1st party output has really declined though - the more niche stuff that appeals to me is better on the PS5 - eg. I love Resogun, but Returnal is just better. Sackboy runs circles around all the Knacks and other 1st party platformers on PS4 combined, and the latest Ratchet is the only game in the series I actually completed.
The biggest loss is stuff from Japan studios - and Astro Bot is just one game - but the gen isn't over yet.
And in the 'big hitters' category things seem mostly on par - unless we're one of those 'if it has a PS4 version it's not real' people.
Ok fine - Killzone SF sucked (yes, it really did) - but one sucky FPS is better than 0, so there - PS4 wins that one.
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Topher
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If that's how you want to look at it then that's up to you. This notion you have that it is "impossible" to evaluate these generations any other way is just absurd.
Naked Lunch
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The better question is - why are you Sony fanboys are so sensitive?
The PS5 flat out sucks. One of the worst libraries in gaming history.
The console is entirely skippable and nothing of value would be lost. Nothing.
I could give 2 shits about sales figures either.
Ive resorted to mainly playing PS1 2, Sega Saturn, and Mega Drive the past couple years.
Modern gaming is teetering on the brink in my eyes.
The PS5 flat out sucks. One of the worst libraries in gaming history.
The console is entirely skippable and nothing of value would be lost. Nothing.
I could give 2 shits about sales figures either.
Ive resorted to mainly playing PS1 2, Sega Saturn, and Mega Drive the past couple years.
Modern gaming is teetering on the brink in my eyes.
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I didn't think PS4 was anything memorable either. It was a hell of a lot better than the PS5 but it all went down the shitter starting with the PS4 and it just continues to get worse and worse.
This. Some of my posts probably seem like I am anti Sony when in fact I still buy their TVs and music equipment. I have also owned every PlayStation but never bought a 5.
It's been complete trash and it's never coming back to what it used to be because suckers keep buying the same trash over and over again, remasters of remasters of remasters etc… The gaming industry has completely mailed it in, they don't even try anymore because people will keep buying it. Doesn't matter if games go to 100.00 dollars and there is no physical media etc.. They will keep buying it while they bitch about it. Xbox giving in is just going to make it even worse as Sony already has no incentive to put anything out worthwhile and it's going to be even more that way in the future.
Fake
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PS4 do much better than PS3 and of course got memorable.
Is not only the software in question, but the hardware inselft. Dualshock 4 is a good joystick, PS4 also add HDR, support a tons of functions. I don't think PS4 XmB is better than PS3 btw, but is still on the list of the best UI around.
In general, PS4 did a great job to be memorable. Sony will never match PS2 software launch, ever.
I mean, if you put how bad PS3 was and how PS4 was like a big step foward, sure people will remember. I do agree that was getting worse and worse as soon as SIE started with this DEI mentality, low first party games, closing studios in favor of GaaS, but overall PS4 was a great machine.
hinch7
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I really don't see the downsides to these. Like, at all. Its more money for Sony (and PS). As more people have access to their games. And less moneyhats overall round also means more budget that can go toward their internal studio's.
If they were co-developing and doing more colabs that would be good. But straight up money-hats like FF doesn't do anything helpful at all; except third parties potentially capping their sales and success. And may have a lasting effect on their franchise in the long term. Look at how much damage SE did to the Tomb Raider reboot and its sequel when they locked it to Xbox.
Publishers on large, expensive projects can't afford to just launch on one platform, unless they've gone and stuck gold.
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Topher
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I still love my PS3. Sony did so much wrong that gen, but the games to me have a certain charm that we don't really have anymore. Agree PS4 was pretty awesome though, especially the second half of the generation. So many great games.
DonkeyPunchJr
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LOL OP really made this thread thinking all the "bitter critters" can be argued into liking PS5 more than they actually do.
Dumb fanboy behavior.
Dumb fanboy behavior.
Fake
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PS3 having a bad reputation + E3 console War + Xbox One with DRM problems + PS4 presentation.
I know some folks here love to hate PS4, but this is a very memorable machine. The PS4 design was cool and premium, Dualshock 4 got a good reputation between the others joystick (for later getting a back button component) and if I don't remember right Dualshock 4 was for a long time the best selling controller from time to time, we got some good games and even if some are not good, they end up adding to the SEI porfolio.
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PS3 was freaking awesome! Free online, things like Home etc..
That system has so many unique and cool features, games etc.. I thought the Xbox 360 was pretty awesome too. It was a tale of two halves that gen. 360 was amazing the first half of thr gen where PS3 really stunk in the beginning and 360 wasn't that great at the end of thst gen and PS3 really went wild the second half.
The dualshock 4 is still their best controller imo. Other than that and the fact thst multiplatform games were up to snuff is the only things I would put the PS4 over the 3 for.
Many of PS3s multiplat games were absolutely brutal compared to 360. That was the only thing that held PS3 back for me. I had to keep a 360 around because PS3 third party titles mostly were a big step behind 360. But my goodness that first party lineup on PS3 was AMAZING!
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All I'm saying is we have people coming up with * as they go & using it to fit their needsIf that's how you want to look at it then that's up to you. This notion you have that it is "impossible" to evaluate these generations any other way is just absurd.
One minute you're taking away PS5 games because they became playable on PC *
But when the exact same thing happens in PS5 favor the games remain PS4 games & not included as a PS5 mark . *
I could care less that they put games on PC. Their exclusives just are not good anymore for the most part.
AREYOUOKAY?
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I love all my new and upcoming first party PSVR2 games...
HRK69
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In terms of first-party support so far, maybe there's a case to be made
But other than that? Absolutely not. There are so many good games out there
If you're seriously writing off an entire console generation just because Sony hasn't flooded it with first-party exclusives yet, you're either being willfully negative or just not paying attention. It might just be time to explore a different hobby or recalibrate your expectations
But other than that? Absolutely not. There are so many good games out there
If you're seriously writing off an entire console generation just because Sony hasn't flooded it with first-party exclusives yet, you're either being willfully negative or just not paying attention. It might just be time to explore a different hobby or recalibrate your expectations
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AtomicStarving
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I've said it here several times, Playstation studios management is fucked. They dont even know what are they are doing imo.
Topher
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What is * supposed to be?
Not true. Not once did I say games playable on PC take away from PS5 generation. I said the platforms are redundant IF you own both. That was in the context of whether being on another platform affected enjoyment. I explicitly said it did not so I don't know how you are interpreting this as a slight against the PS5 generation.
Read what I said again and stop inserting your own agenda into what I say to "fit your needs".
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I'm saying that people are adding their own asterisks to the PS5
Like * " Even though this game was released on PS5 there is also a PC version so we removed it from PS5"
*" Even though this game was released in the PS5 generation it also was released on PS4 so it only counts as a PS4 game "
This stuff is only being used against PS5 and nothing else
Insane Metal
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Yes.
ReyBrujo
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Afraid you might get an answer?
Topher
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I'm not going to address arguments other "people" supposedly made
ComputerBlue
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Yes, absolutely.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I have seen some say PlayStation delivers during the second half but these are not gens like before.. We are pretty much at the point where if it hasn't been announced yet, we will be seeing it in the next generation.
I don't follow gaming as much as I used to but what is even in the pipeline that is all that exciting for exclusives? That Naughty Dog game and what else? The Naughty Dog game looks pretty lame imo but I won't judge it until it's out but it will still be a quality title imo.
I don't follow gaming as much as I used to but what is even in the pipeline that is all that exciting for exclusives? That Naughty Dog game and what else? The Naughty Dog game looks pretty lame imo but I won't judge it until it's out but it will still be a quality title imo.
GermanZepp
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I bought a gaming pc a month ago. It was the best decision I could ever made. Gonna play GTA6 and keep the ps5 a year just in case. But I see very difficult for Sony to sold me another playstation.
I don't want lame Dad of War games. I don't want lame aloy games. I don't want Disney filtered spiderman/wolverine games, I don't want any game from druckman. I don't want any more remasters. I don't want half baked GAS and cashgrabs. Sony lost the way many years ago.
I don't want lame Dad of War games. I don't want lame aloy games. I don't want Disney filtered spiderman/wolverine games, I don't want any game from druckman. I don't want any more remasters. I don't want half baked GAS and cashgrabs. Sony lost the way many years ago.
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