Do you bitter critters still think PS5 is cemented as PlayStation's worst generation?

BennyBlanco said:
The death of exotic hardware is the best thing that ever happened to Steam and the worst thing that ever happened to PlayStation. 10 years ago we would've had to buy Sony consoles for Tekken and Monster Hunter.
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Yep, it's still weird that I can play the newest Resident Evil, Onimusha, Silent Hill, etc on my PC.

I can't lie though. I'm nostalgic for the days where owning a PlayStation was a necessity.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
But if we don't agree with you we are the problem, at least if we have reasons why this is indeed the worst PS gen for first party games

"If you have to add all types of different *'s to come up with reasons why it's the worst generation you might be the problem."
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If your reasoning is something outside of the games & consoles then you're basically creating the problem .

How does a game releasing on another platform affect your enjoyment of that game on the platform that you own?

People saying stuff like why play it on PS5 when you can play it this place & that place but the numbers show that more people are playing these games on PS5 than they did PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 .
 
RetroGamingUK said:
This will be the longest ever PlayStation generation.

Let's judge it when it's over.
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This.

We still have plenty of things to see like in the next year or so Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei, Marathon, Saros, Wolverine, Marvel Tokon etc. plus maybe later things like Intergalactic, Cory's new IP etc.

So far the generation had a lot of great things, like the acquisition of many beloved partners like Bungie, Bluepoint, Housemarque or Nixxes and top tier games like Demon's Souls, Spider-Man Morales & 2, Astro's Playroom and Astro Bot, Ratchet Rift Apart, Returnal, MLB, Gran Turismo 7, GoWR, HFW, Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin or the acquisition of Destiny 2, plus as always a ton of 3rd party exclusives and a ton of great multiplatform 3rd party games. And this time the merge and huge improvement of their gamesubs, plus many great hings in the accesories area like PSVR2, PS Portal, the headsets or controllers including the accesibility one, the acquisition of EVO, several cool adaptations to movies and tv shows.

Now you can also play most of the Sony games on your PC, making them also available to many more people, and in the same way than in the previous generation Sony kicked Nintendo out of the home console market, this one Sony kicked MS out of the home console market even if acquired even ABK, and as war chest Jim Ryan got all MS games now getting published on PS5.

It's being a great generation, where every year we have a lot of great games of many types and sizes.

Fake said:
Yes. By far the worst ever. Relying on third party to survive. Focus on GaaS bullshit, Hermen and Neil Cuckmen. Probably the worst of all times.
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Total bullshit, their first party games break sales records almost every year and win a shit tons of awards every year.
 
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onQ123 said:
If your reasoning is something outside of the games & consoles then you're basically creating the problem .

How does a game releasing on another platform affect your enjoyment of that game on the platform that you own?

People saying stuff like why play it on PS5 when you can play it this place & that place but the numbers show that more people are playing these games on PS5 than they did PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 .
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Releasing on another platform doesn't affect enjoyment of the game. It just makes the platforms redundant if you own both. Why would anyone care about numbers of people playing games on previous platforms? If I don't see a need for both PS5 and PC then those numbers won't change that.
 
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onQ123 said:
But the real numbers mostly show that forum dwilers are disconnected from the overall market.
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Numbers are always fine until they aren't.

You don't build long term loyalty by chasing what's trending now. You build it by knowing your base and leading the trend.

Instead of exclusives and creative vision Sony brings ideological checkbox writing and weird live service bets.

Brand damage is a slow burn.
 
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Yep. First party has been horrible. And especially disappointing with no new Naughty Dog game years in and a very mediocre God of War release <- my biggest letdown after the excellent GoW 2018. Insomniac also dropping the ball with SM2.

The only thing worthwhile thus far for me this gen was some timed exclusives and Astrobot. The rest are really boring and uninspired sequels, enhanced ports or unnecessary remakes.
 
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Gaming in general has hit a rut in the past few years -- with no apparent ideas about where to go next, now that "add more power" is so incredibly boring within all the genres we have available today. Just adding power has diminishing returns but high cost and long development... it's a dead end on its own.

Plus, it's absolutely true that the corporatization of gaming franchises has given most content an HR-approved feeling that is soulless. They spend more on hiring idiot consultants to ensure sensitivity and diversity than they do finding actual brilliant devs and letting them free without restraint, which is the only path for great games. The moment it becomes committee work, it's better off dead.

There's more fun to be had now just finding weird independent games buried in Steam, so these expensive consoles feel even more depressing. Plus, VR has potential to actually be the only exciting new frontier, but someone like Sony half-assed it so much that it was like they wanted it to fail on their platform.
 
I don't know about worst, as that would mean I would have to make a mental list and that sounds like work.

It's been doing good work as a living room gaming system, even if I find it ugly as sin. A ton of great games and experiences, even if I can count 1st party games that I found interesting on half a hand. The controller feels great in my hands and the haptic feedback is something else, even if the sticks and battery has been a big letdown in my eyes.

All in all:
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onQ123 said:
If your reasoning is something outside of the games & consoles then you're basically creating the problem .

How does a game releasing on another platform affect your enjoyment of that game on the platform that you own?

People saying stuff like why play it on PS5 when you can play it this place & that place but the numbers show that more people are playing these games on PS5 than they did PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 .
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It makes you revaluate if your platform still fills all your needs or if there is a better platform waiting for you.
 
onQ123 said:
If your reasoning is something outside of the games & consoles then you're basically creating the problem .

How does a game releasing on another platform affect your enjoyment of that game on the platform that you own?

People saying stuff like why play it on PS5 when you can play it this place & that place but the numbers show that more people are playing these games on PS5 than they did PS1 ,PS2 & PS3 .
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What are you smoking?

I said this is the worst gen FOR ME for first party games

Looks like the majority of the comments here agree with that, if only we had some way to see how the majority feel on your question on a gaming forum

And btw, PS5 Pro is by far the best place to play console games
 
This generation as a whole has been dogshit compared to previous gens. But Sony is especially having a shit generation.

Remasters/remakes galore. 3 Horizon game's (inc lego). Concord. Having to pivot from their GAAS push.

By now in the PS3 gen Sony had got their act together.
 
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It's been awful. You cant deny it. I've went mostly PC because of it, with a bit of Switch 2 on the side. We have Death stranding 2 coming up next month, then... GTA6? Everything else will be purchased on PC.
 
Only people who think this is the worst gen are those obsessed with exclusives, which is funny considering this is the gen where Playstation started to get former Xbox exclusives... as well as the bc situation being far and away the best since the PS2 era (early Ps3's excluded).

If you want to point out issues this generation generally, with its DEI plague and the shadow of pandemic conditions, that's fair. But you cannot argue that's specifically a Playstation issue. Its an industry wide thing.
 
PS1 - best platform of the gen
PS2 - best platform of that gen
PS3 - x360> PS3>wii, second place
PS4 - PC=PS4 > XBOne, tie for best platform
PS5 - PC > Xbox Series > Switch > PS5. Last place for first time.

So yeah, I guess its true.
 
Sony has been sleepwalking through this entire generation, lulled into slumber by a competitor that just self-destructs without any outside help.

Playstation 5 gen is just super low energy, lame as fuck.

Also like how your first bullet point is about a game that releases a year from now at the earliest, a whopping 6 years after the generation launched.
 
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I didn't want to fool with getting one at launch with the supply shortages, and told myself I'd get one later on once there were the games to justify it. Meanwhile friends convinced me to get a Series X for multiplayer with them, so I've not missed any big multiplatform games. Crossplay in games like Monster Hunter also helps quite a bit. Still waiting on those exclusive games to justify the purchase of a PS5 nearly 5 years later. For me that cements it as the worst generation for PlayStation.
 
Kacho said:
Yep, it's still weird that I can play the newest Resident Evil, Onimusha, Silent Hill, etc on my PC.

I can't lie though. I'm nostalgic for the days where owning a PlayStation was a necessity.
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It's better this way. Don't need more than 1 machine laying around that does the same thing. And Sony is doing fine because ps5 is actually good hardware and a cheap way to access Fortnite and CoD. I would rather have all my games in one place personally.
 
The best part from OP is that he didnt say what PS generation was worse than current gen

Maybe cause he knew he would get rekt with facts
 
vaibhavpisal said:
PS1 - best platform of the gen
PS2 - best platform of that gen
PS3 - x360> PS3>wii, second place
PS4 - PC=PS4 > XBOne, tie for best platform
PS5 - PC > Xbox Series > Switch > PS5. Last place for first time.

So yeah, I guess its true.
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LOL. How the hell can you put Xbox ahead after their performance this gen?

Are we choosing to forget all their, errr, fumbles?

I mean Starfield failed miserably at becoming a new tentpole for Bethesda. Halo Infinite is forgotten. Forza was flop. They had a great and productive studio in Playground who they waylaid them with resurrecting Fable, a process that's currently on its 7th year and counting.

Then there's Redfall, nuff said. How about Senua's Sacrifice another game that was marketed to death for years that was again forgotten more quickly than its AA budgeted predecessor. I could go on, and on.

Most of all, here's the thing: The sales results speak for themselves: Not a single breakout hit, even including studios that were entirely bought in during their multi-billion dollar acquisition spree. They've lucked out a few times with GamePass buy-ins that turned out way better than expected, but even those were mostly multi-plat day one, or their success was minimized by their reliably dogshit portfolio management.
 
Fabieter said:
Besides some shitty pc ports there is also not much of an inconvenience on pc and Sony and Nintendo is trying to kill physical so there won't be any advantages in the future.
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Nintendo still has some differences... Its exclusives, the simplified hybrid console factor and the more casual approach (for example, this weekend I played Mario Kart World with the whole family, I wouldn't be able to gather 4 people in my bedroom to play something like that on the PC). So I think it's still an interesting complement.
 
Clear said:
LOL. How the hell can you put Xbox ahead after their performance this gen?

Are we choosing to forget all their, errr, fumbles?

I mean Starfield failed miserably at becoming a new tentpole for Bethesda. Halo Infinite is forgotten. Forza was flop. They had a great and productive studio in Playground who they waylaid them with resurrecting Fable, a process that's currently on its 7th year and counting.

Then there's Redfall, nuff said. How about Senua's Sacrifice another game that was marketed to death for years that was again forgotten more quickly than its AA budgeted predecessor. I could go on, and on.

Most of all, here's the thing: The sales results speak for themselves: Not a single breakout hit, even including studios that were entirely bought in during their multi-billion dollar acquisition spree. They've lucked out a few times with GamePass buy-ins that turned out way better than expected, but even those were mostly multi-plat day one, or their success was minimized by their reliably dogshit portfolio management.
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Food for thought. You're responding to a person who honey glazes Redfall.
 
I don't think it's the worst generation, but the fact is that I've never played as little on my playstation as I do now. Ps Plus has long been canceled. The last time I used it was for Astrobot, which was a while ago.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
What are you smoking?

I said this is the worst gen FOR ME for first party games

Looks like the majority of the comments here agree with that, if only we had some way to see how the majority feel on your question on a gaming forum

And btw, PS5 Pro is by far the best place to play console games
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I don't smoke at all
SJRB said:
Sony has been sleepwalking through this entire generation, lulled into slumber by a competitor that just self-destructs without any outside help.

Playstation 5 gen is just super low energy, lame as fuck.

Also like how your first bullet point is about a game that releases a year from now at the earliest, a whopping 6 years after the generation launched.
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The thread is in response to it being Cemented into the worse generation so yes I'm speaking of what's to come . I also spoke of a rumored handheld which will point to PS5 getting support for a long time as a warning .

PS5 will see just about every game that you loved in a previous PlayStation generation before it's all said & done.
Shifty1897 said:
Yes, without a doubt. Are you seriously insinuating that the PS4 generation was worse than the PS5?
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It's actually impossible for PS4 generation to be better than PS5

Every PS4 game is playable on PS5 & like I said GTA & College Football skipped the whole PS4 generation without making a new mainline game for it.
 
Clear said:
LOL. How the hell can you put Xbox ahead after their performance this gen?

Are we choosing to forget all their, errr, fumbles?

I mean Starfield failed miserably at becoming a new tentpole for Bethesda. Halo Infinite is forgotten. Forza was flop. They had a great and productive studio in Playground who they waylaid them with resurrecting Fable, a process that's currently on its 7th year and counting.

Then there's Redfall, nuff said. How about Senua's Sacrifice another game that was marketed to death for years that was again forgotten more quickly than its AA budgeted predecessor. I could go on, and on.

Most of all, here's the thing: The sales results speak for themselves: Not a single breakout hit, even including studios that were entirely bought in during their multi-billion dollar acquisition spree. They've lucked out a few times with GamePass buy-ins that turned out way better than expected, but even those were mostly multi-plat day one, or their success was minimized by their reliably dogshit portfolio management.
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I have only one magic word to counter your entire post.

Pretty soon they will add 1-2 more "magic words" to that list.

I mean, it was never THAT bad for Playstation. They almost never gave even an inch in console wars.
 
Less than 10 worthwhile new games in 5 years. How is it not the worst generation? It isn't exclusive to Sony. Microsoft isn't faring any better.
 
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StueyDuck said:
Current generation is the worst generation... yes.

A Specific console... no.

It's all bad, even on the PC side of life with exorbitant prices beyond what is normal for PC hardware with lesser gains per leap, let alone the general insistence of migrating all games to UE5 when the engine is still not ready for prime time use.
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Eh... PC is still fine. No one said you had to get a $1000 4k display and need a 4090 2k gpu to power the bitch.

Run a 1080p or at most 1440p and you can get a way with a $300-400 graphics card.
my specs run everything above 60fps with ray tracing at 1080p:
Cpu: Ryzen 5700x
Gpu: geforce 3060ti
Ram 32gb ddr4-3.6ghz
SSD/HDD
1080p 27" ips screen.

You can build it for about a grand or migrate your old parts. Just an example. PC is not super expensive. Sure you could get a budget build for $500, but you can blame that on nvidia and amd. Nvidia for having shit prices and them never dropping the prices after the minter/scalper covid scourge and amd having shit competition.

AS for console, first party is pathetic everywhere.

3rd party and indies are picking up the slack.
 
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Shadowstar39 said:
Eh... PC is still fine. No one said you had to get a $1000 4k display and need a 4090 2k gpu to power the bitch.

Run a 1080p or at most 1440p and you can get a way with a $300-400 graphics card.
my specs run everything above 60fps with ray tracing at 1080p:
Cpu: Ryzen 5700x
Gpu: geforce 3060ti
Ram 32gb ddr4-3.6ghz
SSD/HDD
1080p 27" ips screen.

You can build it for about a grand or migrate your old parts. Just an example. PC is not super expensive. Sure you could get a budget build for $500, but you can blame that on nvidia and amd. Nvidia for having shit prices and them never dropping the prices after the minter/scalper covid scourge and amd having shit competition.

AS for console, first party is pathetic everywhere.

3rd party and indies are picking up the slack.
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You aren't running everything at 1080p/60 with RT on a 3060ti.
 
onQ123 said:
It's actually impossible for PS4 generation to be better than PS5

Every PS4 game is playable on PS5 & like I said GTA & College Football skipped the whole PS4 generation without making a new mainline game for it.
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It isn't "impossible" when it is completely subjective. People can compare the games launched during each generation and judge them separately.
 
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This generation was tainted and affected with the "Live service" fever that have all companies trying to earn as much as Fortnite. Now that the idea is finally falling we might see more great games, but besides some of the examples you told... thats it.

You also need to understand that all PlayStations have been incredible: PS1, PS2 and PS3 just saw the birth of so many franchises and each of them have amazing elements. I would argue that the weakest is PS4, even if it was really popular, and I dont think it is so much better or worse than the PS5.
 
The bottom line for me about this gen, regardless of platform is that if you prefer Asian games, you'll be pretty happy. If Western style games are your jam... much less so.

Not saying the difference is black and white, but its pretty contrasty!
 
I can play all my PS4 games on par or better since day 1. Demon's Souls + Returnal is fire, so is most of the top 100 games. PS3 Gen got saved right at the end, PS1/2 only scores on an adjusted scale (I was there at the time, would not play them now). PS5 is the best generation.
 
Shadowstar39 said:
Eh... PC is still fine. No one said you had to get a $1000 4k display and need a 4090 2k gpu to power the bitch.

Run a 1080p or at most 1440p and you can get a way with a $300-400 graphics card.
my specs run everything above 60fps with ray tracing at 1080p:
Cpu: Ryzen 5700x
Gpu: geforce 3060ti
Ram 32gb ddr4-3.6ghz
SSD/HDD
1080p 27" ips screen.

You can build it for about a grand or migrate your old parts. Just an example. PC is not super expensive. Sure you could get a budget build for $500, but you can blame that on nvidia and amd. Nvidia for having shit prices and them never dropping the prices after the minter/scalper covid scourge and amd having shit competition.

AS for console, first party is pathetic everywhere.

3rd party and indies are picking up the slack.
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The problem with that sort of PC build is it has a year tops till it's completely obsolete, the idea is to spend a lot upfront and future proof for a good 3 years at least and then hopefully just buy bits and bobs along the way.

but with the way modern parts are going with little gains, raising prices, tech locked behind paywalls and so on and so forth it's not the same PC market like it once wa,s and i'd say it's worse.

Games use to be optimized for low end PCs, but since DLSS and the likes has become a crutch (which will be even worse now with framegen) these companies aren't putting in the same effort anymore to optimise.

just look at that recent Hell is us PC spec list. And while it's a nice looking game, it's hardly blowing my socks off, not enough to require new hardware, just get a stable >60fps. or resorting to turning the IQ into a blurry mess with all the added rescaling and restructuring techniques that fall apart the lower the res gets.

the worst we had back in the day was making sure you had the latest pixel shader to last the next few years.
 
For me this is a weird question...on paper? Sure, tough gen. Weird output pattern from Sony themselves, lots of cancelled/whiffed projects, big gaps in launches and in genres.

BUT

I have spent more unalloyed hours of enjoyment with my PS5 than almost all other consoles, including prior PS consoles. There are a lot of convergences that contribute to this: going from all the free starter games at the beginning of the gen--I would never have played Days Gone, God of War 2019 or Persona 5 otherwise--to the unprecedented variety available due to this weird remaster renaissance we're going though, including extremely latter-day localizations of niche games. I'm playing Final Fantasy 2 one minute, then Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth the next, then MOON, then Baldur's Gate ONE, then Baldur's Gate 3 (note to self: play something other than an RPG, damn).

As someone who has always been interested in how games share DNA and influence another, this has been the console that has been the most fun to just freely time travel. Playing Saga Frontier 2 right after Final Fantasy 16 is a real holy shit moment...the legacy, however inadvertent, shines through. And there are still big, modern, popoff moments that have been great for me: I know Ragnarok is polarizing, but I found it to be the game I wish GoW 2019 had been in every way that mattered to me. Astrobot goes without saying.

The PS2 is a hard act for anyone to follow, but if it weren't for that system I might call PS5 my favorite PS console with a bullet.
 
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1st time PlayStation will be taking a fighting game seriously with Marvel Tokon Fighting Souls & even releasing a low latency wireless fighting stick.

We used to get a bunch of those by default. Not special.

1st time PlayStation has a top selling shooter Helldivers II

Don't care about shooters.

1st time PlayStation has had a platformer winning multiple game of the year awards with Astro Bot

Liked all of those platformers on PSP and PS1 more.

1st PlayStation to get the biggest Xbox games

Whoopiedeedoo.


Grand Theft Auto VI is hitting PS5 after the whole PS4 generation was skipped over without a new mainline GTA game .

Don't care about GTA.


EA Sports College Football also skipped the whole PS4 generation but now releases on PS5.

Don't care about Sports, handegg even more.


Most of our favorite games have been rereleased on PS5 with enhancements or will be rereleased with enhancements.

Played all my favorite games already. There's a reason they're my favorite games.


We can play our favorite games on the go with PS Portal & now there is rumors of PS5 living on as a Portable in a few years.

We hate cloud gaming.


Sidenote: How come no one talks about the fact that Sly (Cooper) 3 a PS2 game from 20 years ago look perfect in 4K on PS5?

It does look great, but it's an older game. We expect that.


How is this the worst PlayStation generation?

We get everything fewer and slower, and Sony doesn't release the types of games I loved on PS1, PS2 and PSP.


If you have to add all types of different *'s to come up with reasons why it's the worst generation you might be the problem.

I think you're the problem by being so easily satisfied, but you do you.

Cheers. :lollipop_raising_hand:
 
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