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[Panajev2001a]

And where did Jin learn to write it? Haiku didn't even exist yet in his time! If he could do it then I'm sure they could've had her do it too if they wanted to.

Far more believable to have a privileged noble with private tutors and time dedicated to study and practice of literature and poetry to extend to that. Only leap of faith is to allow for Haiku to exist a bit earlier on. It is a small leap of faith.

They could have her fly like superman, rewind time, and more. Sure… and then? Mate, you are trying to argue a point of technicalities here. It is completely believable that given their upbringing and all that they would differ in skill and inclinations. If they do push the extreme woke angle we will see or not, but this is as much as a purity test and guilt by association / with us or against us as the toxic behaviour from the woke left.

 

[Sticks]

Everyone is being so annoyingly reductive. You guys are just reaching for this stuff. Its funny how they're gonna show her ass in some hot springs and suddenly you'll all appreciate the game more.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Everyone is being so annoyingly reductive. You guys are just reaching for this stuff. Its funny how they're gonna show her ass in some hot springs and suddenly you'll all appreciate the game more.
Stop paying attention to her being a girl and pay attention to her role as a character.

I think most topics in here are basically reduced to this currently:

I don't remember the last time there was a topic with people genuinely excited about a game in here. Everything is woke, shit, GaaS, etc...

This game is crap, the new 007 from yesterday is crap, console generations are now always bad (because people still think of generations). I mean that Wolverine topic from yesterday is embarrassing.

 

[calico]

It's almost as bad as the military shooter era of 2010s.
But just like any fad, it will blow over, then we'll look back and wonder wtf happened there.

The former is a little easier to understand as a natural response to market demand at that time, from the support for the military response to 9/11 through to when it became clear this was not going to end in the triumphant victory people expected. Then the genre lost a lot of its appeal across Western media.

This fad by comparison seems more forced. It does not seem to be a natural response to changing market demand, but rather a deliberate and sustained attempt to force the market to change.

 

[Gaiff]

I think most topics in here are basically reduced to this currently:

I don't remember the last time there was a topic with people genuinely excited about a game in here. Everything is woke, shit, GaaS, etc...

This game is crap, the new 007 from yesterday is crap, console generations are now always bad (because people still think of generations). I mean that Wolverine topic from yesterday is embarrassing.

Silksong…

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Well yeah, jin belonged to an educated class. He had scholary education. Atsu is of poorer origin and it's a miracle if she can read and write( probably done for gameplay purpose).


Gaf never disappoints though. Every game has become a culture war and somehow people complaining seem to be treading the same line as woke people in complaining about everything and trying to cancel everything


Edit: also in a lot of Asian countries, in the past, poems were for someone of intellect( or aristocrats in general), a class Jin belonged to. It was considered an honorable practice and a sign of intelligence. Poorer people didnt ahbe the education or standing required to engage in such activities. Even in historical context, it makes sense that Atsu won't be involved in poetry.

Also some posters thinking writing poems makes jin a sissy, lmao.

 

[Oberstein]

I'm tired of revenge plots — they're the laziest, most uninspired trope around.

A worn-out cliché that pops up everywhere in films and games, usually when writers run out of ideas.

 

[Venom Snake]

Good, i want to play a bad bitch on the hunt, not on rehab.

 

[kat_on_the_roof]

You are really generalizing here. I love women and yet, I see exactly what those developers have been doing since ~2016 (or so). Years ago everyone was cheering rare games with female leads, and this was genuine - developers thought that women MCs fits their games the best.

Now? All of this is forced... No different than race and gender swaps in beloved franchises in cinema and tv shows. Agenda is clear as day.

Well as long as we are talking about generalizing things....

 

[Steve Holt]

This looks right up my alley, enjoyed the first game although got repetitive towards the end.

Hoping mix things up a bit more to keep it fresh. Looking forward to it.

 

[calico]

Worrying about the verisimilitude of a peasant being able to read and write seems unwarranted if you have already accepted a peasant woman becoming a top tier swordsman.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I think most topics in here are basically reduced to this currently:

I don't remember the last time there was a topic with people genuinely excited about a game in here. Everything is woke, shit, GaaS, etc...

This game is crap, the new 007 from yesterday is crap, console generations are now always bad (because people still think of generations). I mean that Wolverine topic from yesterday is embarrassing.

Gaf never disappoints though. Every game has become a culture war and somehow people complaining seem to be treading the same line as woke people in complaining about everything and trying to cancel everything

Quoted for the truth in these statements. It's sad that so many threads on this forum are allowed to devolve to this.

 

[Toots]

Mancott this piece of toxic feminism

First time is see this one

Spoiler

If i don't have to hear anymore about honor being more important than winning a war from jin and his retarded uncle while mongols are destroying your homeland, i can go with angry atsu every day of the week.

That is actually a very very good point

 

[Bojji]

This is GAF. Women have to be weak and submissive or it's woke and unrealistic.

Western feminists are only "stunning and brave" when they know nothing bad will happen to them, they protest some bullshit things and men in the west are very docile.

Have you seen them doing protests in places where women are treated like subhumans? Not really, look what happened to very brave women of Iran:

Deaths during the Mahsa Amini protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But be sure they will be first to protest some inexistent wage gap or porn games on steam...

Well as long as we are talking about generalizing things....

If you think this is genuine then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[StereoVsn]

Silksong…

Also, most folks liked 007. I think that $300 Collector's Edition is overpriced as hell, but base game has normal cost.

If one can't see issues with Wolverine or Yotei, it's their prerogative but a lot of others find Sony's BS annoying.

 

[Ar¢tos]

This is GAF. Women have to be weak and submissive or it's woke and unrealistic.

I don't think anyone here complained about Lara Croft or Alloy being women.

What's unrealistic is a housewife in a generic revenge story taking down 6 more experienced fighters (or 5, they'll likely do the "Sony twist" and she'll forgive the last one in the end in a cutscene filled with tears and snot).

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Western feminists are only "stunning and brave" when they know nothing bad will happen to them, they protest some bullshit things and men in the west are very docile.

Have you seen them doing protests in places where women are treated like subhumans? Not really, look what happened to very brave women of Iran:

Don't sweat it. He's being disingenous and his dumb generalization was just low quality bait.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Man, they killed Infamous for this.... they killed Jim for this

 

[Saber]

So you want evidence that she is not being portrayed as a badass? Here is the evidence:

1) The wise old Ainu lady in the Onryo List trailer always calls her "Situ Reinu". The one that gets easily lost in the hunt. Why would badasses get lost in any hunt? Seems like she could never get her life and priorities in order. The word "always" suggests they've known each other for long. May be she raised Atsu after the assassinations and knows her well.

I don't think having that problem is enought to sustain your base. Mary sues(and Gary Stus) for instances have very little negatives just to say they aren't exactly perfect. I don't think this "issue" of getting lost in the hunt sounds exactly as a negative.

2) In the state of play, they start with "she has no code and doesn't care if she lives or dies". Sounds like a vengeful, amoral person with no greater purpose or value for her own life. If she dies, her mission fails with her. So why would she not care? Why is a badass wandering like a lost soul instead of having a clear plan for her badassery? The fuck took her 16 years? She was 12 or so when the family was murdered. That puts her in the late 20s. She should have been chopping their heads off as soon as she hit her athletic prime. What's taking the badass so long? Sounds pretty broken and lost to me, actually.

Another "negative" that doesn't sound negative at all. Which part of not caring about wheter dies or not is not a part of being badass? Ever watched the movie Lethal Weapon? Lol

3) In the sound of vengeance trailer, she describes the onryo as a ruthless spirit that keeps seeking vengeance and wonders if that's who she is. But when she ends it, she isn't declaring it confidently. Like a badass. Her voice is shaking like she is almost crying. That's her either thinking to herself or confiding in someone about what she may have become - a lost vengeful ghost. Sounds like a depressed person in need of therapy.

Back to my Lethal weapon movie example. The main character who lost his wife is in constant "self punishing" and in need of therapy. Yet he does badass and funny things, which part of this is not being badass?
So far you had prove me that the character itself have negatives that either doesn't really affect her or have minimal effect on the character.

4) In the same trailer, they show her surrendering or almost dying to 3 of the 6 bosses. My guess is this is her reality check. Her Pai Mei moment from kill bill. Like Jin got his ass handed to him by Khotun Khan at the beginning, I think she may be getting her ass handed back to her by not 1, but 3 bosses. Am I making this up? i don't know for sure, but look at these exhibits and tell me this is unlikely.

Are you really trying to compare Kill Bill with this game? Like really?
Kill Bill character is not a strong woman. She is THE woman. She face alot of things not silly things but bad harsh unnaceptable things that make twittards get triggered (like being raped), which made her 3 to 4 times more stronger. She learn HARSH things from her master, who didn't give a shit about her and treat her like a dog because thats how the train is. Honestly really, I don't understand this trend of comparing Kill Bill with this game.

Why is the badass boss bitch getting her ass whipped so many times?

5) She doesn't magically master every weapon. She first acquires them from defeating each boss (each specialize in one unique weapon). Then she trains multiple times with a master somewhere on the map. These masters are men and women in your wolf pack. All quickly presented during the state of play. If you want evidence, I will get you screen shots of the ones revealed or you can check for yourself.

I don't think this dimish the fact she can be a boss bitch though? Lol
-Hey I dunno how to use this weapons
*Trains with a master somewhere
-Now I can use this weapon

I don't even gonna answer the rest of your post because of the woke moronic rethoric. I don't even said that, it's just you trying to win brownie points.

 

[miller152]

I think they really missed a beat by just giving her Jin's abilities plus some extra toys. The Ghost tactics worked against the Mongols because the Khan taught his soldiers to fight honorable samurai, who charge headfirst into every battle like retards.

Why would the same tactics work against bandits who are used to fighting dirty?

Instead, they could have given Atsu her own skillset, make use of her being a female in a setting where women are underestimated to blend into enemy gangs, set traps, poison and slit throats in the shadows. Even the wolf companion fits this, an ally to help her out when she has to fight multiple enemies in melee combat.

But no, she's just a badass warrior who can walk into an enemy stronghold and slaughter everyone singlehandedly, which in practice means you stand still and press a single button to kill as enemies attack you in an orderly fashion, like the British queueing at the post office. Done a million times already.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Don't understand why some people don't like/or are afraid of strong women in games. Heck I'm a man and i prefer to play as a female character in games as they are imo 99% of the time better than male leads of games.

Being strong is not a personality. And to say that she is too badass for poetry is stupid as the poetry was part of mental training for warriors. Nothing that the report in is article shows anything that a Japanese person would write.

As an example, old school Lara Croft is strong but people don't remember that about her. She is known as a Tomb Raider stealing priceless artifacts for her personal collection, because she is British and following her blood. Of course she does bad things for her enjoyment, that's what makes her Lara Croft.

If anything this new article makes me more certain the game sucks now than before I read it. Because if that is the state of mind of the people making decisions, I know exactly how bad this is going to get. This is negative publicity.

 

[Sakura]

Far more believable to have a privileged noble with private tutors and time dedicated to study and practice of literature and poetry to extend to that. Only leap of faith is to allow for Haiku to exist a bit earlier on. It is a small leap of faith.

They could have her fly like superman, rewind time, and more. Sure… and then? Mate, you are trying to argue a point of technicalities here. It is completely believable that given their upbringing and all that they would differ in skill and inclinations. If they do push the extreme woke angle we will see or not, but this is as much as a purity test and guilt by association / with us or against us as the toxic behaviour from the woke left.

A bit earlier on? It is like 200-300 years earlier lol.
I'm pretty sure the girl being able to write poetry would be a small leap of faith too... not sure why you are comparing it to super powers.
For one, the literacy rate in the edo period was actually quite high for the time compared to other countries (obviously lower than today), so it wouldn't be very strange if she can read and write. In fact, at the time, there were schools for commoners that taught literacy (amongst other things), called terakoya. You didn't need a private tutor.
I don't know if the game will be woke or not, and I am not arguing that it is.
I just think it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that the reason she isn't writing poems is for realism/believability's sake. She isn't writing poems in the game because the devs don't want her to, not because she isn't a samurai or from some noble upbringing.

 

[Kacho]

I think most topics in here are basically reduced to this currently:

I don't remember the last time there was a topic with people genuinely excited about a game in here. Everything is woke, shit, GaaS, etc...

This game is crap, the new 007 from yesterday is crap, console generations are now always bad (because people still think of generations). I mean that Wolverine topic from yesterday is embarrassing.

Metal Gear Solid Delta
Hell is Us
Silksong
Everybody's Golf Hot Shots
Cronos

All games from the past week that are generally well-liked and had none of the drama you speak of.

 

[Matsuchezz]

Yikes, people were ok with other bad boss bitches, Like Joana Dark and Lara Croft and all the resident evil main characters, but only this bad boss bitch makes people put their panties in a bunch.
The hypocrisy.
Their reaction at Atsu being a boss bitch.

 

[Kacho]

Yikes, people were ok with other bad boss bitches, Like Joana Dark and Lara Croft and all the resident evil main characters, but only this bad boss bitch makes people put their panties in a bunch.
The hypocrisy.
Their reaction at Atsu being a boss bitch.

Cronos has a female protagonist and there's no drama

 

[Matsuchezz]

Metal Gear Solid Delta
Hell is Us
Silksong
Everybody's Golf Hot Shots
Cronos

All games from the past week that are generally well-liked and had none of the drama you speak of.

That is because the Main Character is not a woman. The sole reason to trigger the "antiwoke" vermin is the main character is a woman. These people are fucking sad, because they get so triggered for so little.

 

[Kacho]

That is because the Main Character is not a woman. The sole reason to trigger the "antiwoke" vermin is the main character is a woman. These people are fucking sad, because they get so triggered for so little.

See my post above. Cronos has a female protagonist and there's no drama. Your argument is flawed.

 

[RoadHazard]

I don't think anyone here complained about Lara Croft or Alloy being women.

What's unrealistic is a housewife in a generic revenge story taking down 6 more experienced fighters (or 5, they'll likely do the "Sony twist" and she'll forgive the last one in the end in a cutscene filled with tears and snot).

She's a housewife?

 

[Matsuchezz]

Cronos has a female protagonist and there's no drama

I did not know that, that is why this is ridiculous, why complain at Atsu and not the Chronos character, it makes no sense. I could read the reasons on this thread and I am pretty sure they are childish and petty.
I guess people hate Hidden Dragon Crouching Tiger because 2 of the main characters are women and know how to fight.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Yikes, people were ok with other bad boss bitches, Like Joana Dark and Lara Croft and all the resident evil main characters, but only this bad boss bitch makes people put their panties in a bunch.
The hypocrisy.
Their reaction at Atsu being a boss bitch.

The problem isn't that she's a "boss bitch", the problem is all the publicity behind it.

Joana, Lara, Jill, Samus, Claire, Bayo, Ada, Cortana, they're all badasses , but that's not their entire personality. Now, let's compare them to Aloy, Atsu, and Hazel, they have almost no personality aside from being tough girls who don't need a man, all PR from these caracther are " the women are badasses if you dont like it you are a misogynist", see, back than story and gameplay itself were the ones tellling us if the protac was a badass or not, now they need to hammer that nail at least 4 times a week with PR, its tiresome. Do you understand the difference?

Also, belittling Jim because he wrote poems will only hurt the franchise since he's an established character and she isn't.

 

[calico]

I like a glass of ice water on a warm summer's day but I wouldn't like to be waterboarded. The hypocrisy.

 

[Kacho]

I did not know that, that is why this is ridiculous, why complain at Atsu and not the Chronos character, it makes no sense. I could read the reasons on this thread and I am pretty sure they are childish and petty.
I guess people hate Hidden Dragon Crouching Tiger because 2 of the main characters are women and know how to fight.

I believe the Silksong main character is a female too now that I think about it. Granted, she's a bug, but still. Having a female protagonist isn't always the issue in current year, even though it seems that way sometimes.

 

[Matsuchezz]

The problem isn't that she's a "boss bitch", the problem is all the publicity behind it.

Joana, Lara, Jill, Samus, Claire, Bayo, Ada, Cortana, they're all badasses , but that's not their entire personality. Now, let's compare them to Aloy, Atsu, and Hazel, they have almost no personality aside from being tough girls who don't need a man. Do you understand the difference?

That is not true, I am playing Horizon and Alloy is not like that. She reacts when people put her down because she is a woman, and being a reject all her life surely affected her personality but whatever.
Does Samus interact with people at all? Cortana is an AI that makes no sense why would she need any other person let alone a man.

So, the publicity on a fictional character bothers you that much to create drama? Are we men or little girls?
If I dont like anything for whatever reason I dont consume it. I do not rant and throw tantrums like a toddler.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

The problem isn't that she's a "boss bitch", the problem is all the publicity behind it.

Joana, Lara, Jill, Samus, Claire, Bayo, Ada, Cortana, they're all badasses , but that's not their entire personality. Now, let's compare them to Aloy, Atsu, and Hazel, they have almost no personality aside from being tough girls who don't need a man, all PR from these caracther are " the women are badasses if you dont like it you are a misogynist" Do you understand the difference?

He already knows that, but he won't acknowledge it. Notice how he's posting in the same style as ecosse_011172 and Doom85.

 

[Ar¢tos]

She's a housewife?

Her husband and family were killed. I don't know what the job opportunities for married women in Japan in the 1600s were, but it's safe to assume she tended the house, at least part time...

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

That is because the Main Character is not a woman. The sole reason to trigger the "antiwoke" vermin is the main character is a woman. These people are fucking sad, because they get so triggered for so little.

Saying the main character of a videogame that revolve around combat as "badass", is about as impressive as saying a grown adult managed to hold down a 9-to-5 job without getting fired.

And over and over again, we read the same scripts of these shallow female characters who were clearly written with no real backstory or thought behind them, and we can tell they suck. The very fact that they are trying to TELL us the character is a badass, is already a red flag. It is almost like being proud that you "never went to prison". How low is the standards over there in that game studio?

 

[Lokaum D+]

That is not true, I am playing Horizon and Alloy is not like that. She reacts when people put her down because she is a woman, and being a reject all her life surely affected her personality but whatever.
Does Samus interact with people at all? Cortana is an AI that makes no sense why would she need any other person let alone a man.

So, the publicity on a fictional character bothers you that much to create drama? Are we men or little girls?

thats the problem, if you know how to write a good character you dont need to go on X every 3 days to make some statement on how good you character is, you let the game speak for itself. every time they try to push this narrative only hurts the game and make ppl less interested in playing it.

and what does being a men has to do with this ? cause i m a men i m supposed to like bad written characters ?

Also, Alloy is one of the most miserable and undeveloped characters I've ever seen in a game, she's awesome from start to finish, period, she has no flaws, she is such a badass.

 

[BbMajor7th]

SHE DIDN'T GROW UP WITH THAT!!!! SHE ISN'T JIN!!! What the hell is wrong with you people? Even Jin stopped being what his Uncle wanted him to be, due to what happened to him and his people.

Most of these people in this thread are punching up at huge corporations and lampooning design decisions they regard as cynical, trite and increasingly tone deaf. The defense squad on the other side is punching down on ordinary people daring to defy the corporations and throwing down one insult after another as they do so. Is that the moral high ground? I don't think so.

Why punch down on ordinary people who have little power to influence the designs of these games? We live in a free society and a free market - if people don't like a product made by a multi-billion dollar corporation and want to tell the company where to go there's nothing 'wrong' with them, they're just doing what a free market and a free society demands.

 

[Matsuchezz]

Saying the main character of a videogame that revolve around combat as "badass", is about as impressive as saying a grown adult managed to hold down a 9-to-5 job without getting fired.

And over and over again, we read the same scripts of these shallow female characters who were clearly written with no real backstory or thought behind them, and we can tell they suck. The very fact that they are trying to TELL us the character is a badass, is already a red flag. It is almost like being proud that you "never went to prison". How low is the standards over there in that game studio?

We got Duke Nukem and that MC is a badass and the game story is trash, same for Doom, the MC are badass mofos and their back story is so lame, but noone complains.
That is why this kind of thread is so ridiculous and stupid, this game and character triggers them but not these other characters and games.

 

[calico]

We got Duke Nukem and that MC is a badass and the game story is trash, same for Doom, the MC are badass mofos and their back story is so lame, but noone complains.
That is why this kind of thread is so ridiculous and stupid, this game and character triggers them but not these other characters and games.

What do you mean by 'this kind of thread' if this is the first character it has ever happened with?

 

[Matsuchezz]

thats the problem, if you know how to write a good character you dont need to go on X every 3 days to make some statement on how good you character is, you let the game speak for itself. every time they try to push this narrative only hurts the game and make ppl less interested in playing it.

and what does being a men has to do with this ? cause i m a men i m supposed to like bad written characters ?

I just read the article and nothing bothered me in it. I dont like woke shit, but you people choose to get triggered by so little. that makes you look like little girls whining about some stupid shit.

 

[Matsuchezz]

What do you mean by 'this kind of thread' if this is the first character it has ever happened with?

Actually the thread is alright, is the reactions to the article that are ridiculous.

 

[Cyborg]

Remember your mother is a woman too.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I did not know that, that is why this is ridiculous, why complain at Atsu and not the Chronos character, it makes no sense. I could read the reasons on this thread and I am pretty sure they are childish and petty.
I guess people hate Hidden Dragon Crouching Tiger because 2 of the main characters are women and know how to fight.

cause Chronos dev didnt come to X every 3 days to sell that their character is such a badass that doesn't needed men, aside from the initial reaction what made ppl hate Atsu even more were the corporate pandering that we HAVE to accept her or WE are misogynistics bastards, it cant be that hard to understand.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Remember your mother is a woman too.

thanks for remembering me, i just asked her for a sandwich

 

[anyasok]

Ugly and with no personality. Got it. They can shove this woke shit up their agenda driven asses

 

[Sethbacca]

Most of these people in this thread are punching up at huge corporations and lampooning design decisions they regard as cynical, trite and increasingly tone deaf. The defense squad on the other side is punching down on ordinary people daring to defy the corporations. Why are you doing that? Why punch down on ordinary people who have little power to influence the designs of these games? We live in a free society and a free market - if people don't like a product made by a multi-billion dollar corporation and want to tell the company where to go there's nothing 'wrong' with them, they're just doing what a free market and a free society demands.

Or some people are making huge fucking deals about nothing while thinking they're standing up to some corporation, when in reality they're just whiners being called out by their peers. Nobody is defending the corporations they're just tired of the crying and whining from people who can't accept that the world is different than it was 25 years ago. And guess what, the sex sells era of 25-35 years ago was looked down on by the people who grew up 25-35 years before that as being immodest and the downfall of society. I assure you, it will be different in another 25 years too. It's just the oddest thing to me that people dig their heels in and don't want anything to change because they're uncomfortable.

I swear, most of you would prefer a vapid talentless 10 in a role to a talented 6 or 7. All style, no substance, and completely boring when you get beyond the surface. And you all wonder why all of media from games to movies and tv is full of bland homogenous shit.

 

[Matsuchezz]

cause Chronos dev didnt come to X every 3 days to sell that their character is such a badass that doesn't needed men, aside from the initial reaction what made ppl hate Atsu even more were the corporate pandering that we HAVE to accept her or WE are misogynistics bastards, it cant be that hard to understand.

I like videogames a lot, I do not read every single piece of information out there, so I am not aware if the dev is pushing that info on a regular basis. But what draw my attention is that you used the word hate, which is an strong emotional reaction to something trivial as a game. I am not trying to convince you to buy the game or accept the character, nor I said you're misogynist. It's the emotional reactions you people have that are so disconcerting. We men should react logically not emotionally, but these newer generations are all emotional men and women.

 

[BbMajor7th]

Actually the thread is alright, is the reactions to the article that are ridiculous.

Yeah, the real premium-tier commentary in this thread is coming from people saying 'doesn't bother me, you guys are all whiny little bitches'. Those are the real intellectual galaxy-brain takes in this thread. The ones adding nothing to the conversation and randomly insulting strangers online. The hyper-sensible and emotionally stable intellectual stallions of the inter-webs these guys are.

Or some people are making huge fucking deals about nothing while thinking they're standing up to some corporation, when in reality they're just whiners being called out by their peers. Nobody is defending the corporations they're just tired of the crying and whining from people who can't accept that the world is different than it was 25 years ago. And guess what, the sex sells era of 25-35 years ago was looked down on by the people who grew up 25-35 years before that as being immodest and the downfall of society. I assure you, it will be different in another 25 years too. It's just the oddest thing to me that people dig their heels in and don't want anything to change because they're uncomfortable.

I swear, most of you would prefer a vapid talentless 10 in a role to a talented 6 or 7. All style, no substance, and completely boring when you get beyond the surface. And you all wonder why all of media from games to movies and tv is full of bland homogenous shit.

My point still stands, you're insulting random strangers on the internet because they don't like something. You're not captain sensible here: either make a counterpoint that doesn't involve punching down on randomers or walk on by. I ain't looking for a 'talentless 10', but I'd take a Sarah Conner or an Ellen Ripley any day of the week. And as for 'standing up to corporations', you might want to take a look at the numbers, because I gotta tell you, the rare incel wins are stacking up.

 

[Sethbacca]

My point still stands, you're insulting random strangers on the internet because they disagree with you. You're not captain sensible here: either make a counterpoint that doesn't involve punching down on randomers or walk on by. I ain't looking for a 'talentless 10', but I'd take a Sarah Conner or an Ellen Ripley any day of the week.

Nobody is punching down on anybody. This is a literal discussion board where people have and post opinions about what is being shared for discussion. Me expressing an opinion is no more punching down on you, than you expressing an opinion is punching down on me. In order for me to punch down on people, they'd have to be some kind of marginalized group, when in reality i'm just saying to my peers that these takes are stupid.