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[DeafTourette]

The story is a bit sus too. had 0 idea at all, did research to find out what school he went to, but somehow didn't see a single article of literally the biggest news story, and then just had to make a "neck" reference.

Nowhere did I say she did research on him. I know her, very well, and she wouldn't make a joke about anyone's death. She's pretty conservative so she's not some screaming purple hair.

 

[StueyDuck]

Nowhere did I say she did research on him. I know her, very well, and she wouldn't make a joke about anyone's death. She's pretty conservative so she's not some screaming purple hair.

so, how did she just find out where he was from, did she ask someone? She also could have said he was from her hometown, or he's from where i am from etc. Just happens to choose neck?

my man this either has fake story from you or fake story from her written all over it.

The number of coincidences that has to line up for that to happen seems a bit ludicrous, plus the moral of the story is that the other person overreacted... i dunno, i call sus im hitting the button.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

My ex, whom I'm still friends with, learned about Kirk's passing the day after it happened. She didn't know how he died, just that he was killed. She then found out they went to the same school and she posted something along the lines of, "WOW, Charlie Kirk was from my neck of the woods"

A lady she knew flew off the handle (admittedly I understand) at her calling her names for making fun of his death. If you knew my ex, you'd know she isn't on the news 24/7 and barely watches TV and isn't on Twitter. She barely found out WHO he was before posting. She explained she didn't know HOW he had been killed and was using a colloquial term and wasn't making a joke of his killing. The lady never apologized or came back to the post.

I know tensions are high still... There have been some tense posts in here. But civility has largely won out.

I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.

 

[Kacho]

My ex, whom I'm still friends with, learned about Kirk's passing the day after it happened. She didn't know how he died, just that he was killed. She then found out they went to the same school and she posted something along the lines of, "WOW, Charlie Kirk was from my neck of the woods"

A lady she knew flew off the handle (admittedly I understand) at her calling her names for making fun of his death. If you knew my ex, you'd know she isn't on the news 24/7 and barely watches TV and isn't on Twitter. She barely found out WHO he was before posting. She explained she didn't know HOW he had been killed and was using a colloquial term and wasn't making a joke of his killing. The lady never apologized or came back to the post.

I know tensions are high still... There have been some tense posts in here. But civility has largely won out.

Cool story bro

 

[EviLore]

That was not the expedient thing to say in conservative circles, but he said it with conviction and surely influenced people on his own side to not resort to hate and exclusion.

 

[Havoc2049]

Conservative or Liberal with extremist views, Charlie Kirk will smoke you in a debate.

 

[rm082e]

This sounds extreme but maybe it is time to split the country up. I think the idea of a 50 state America is done and a peaceful divorce would better than a violent fracture. It is sad but it is better than going the way of Sarajevo and Yugoslavia.

I see conservatives saying this a lot over the last week, and I'd sure love to hear even a framework for a plan for how this would happen.

• Are you suggesting we split by a majority vote in each State? If so, are we going to have two nations that are each a patchwork of land that isn't connected?
• Red States would then have to build walls around their borders with blue states to keep out the liberal/immigrant zombie hoards?
• Blue States generate the bulk of the GDP and the taxes. Red States cumulatively take more tax dollar hand outs than they pay into the system. So Blue states are subsidizing Red States. If the country were to split into Red America and Blue America, does Red America understand how screwed they would be from day 1?
• What do you do with the Stock market and everyone's investment accounts? How would you even begin to go about splitting these into separate entities?
• Two separate militaries?
• What do you do with the MAGA voters in Blue states and the libtards in Red States? Relocation program? If so, who's paying for it? If not, what do you do with those people? Deport them? Jail them for their speech crimes?
• Who gets the constitution, and what changes are made for the new Red America and Blue America? Red gets a second amendment and Blue doesn't? Blue America gets a single payer healthcare system and Red America gets to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the tax money from the Blue States?

I get that people are upset about this murder, but as a centrist Independent, the rhetoric from MAGA is sounding as crazy to me as the far left moonbats right now.

It's terrible that Charlie Kirk was murdered. But his murderer is in jail and will stand trial for his crime. Your neighbors didn't murder him, even if they're assholes who say things that upset you.

Edit: I'm not trying to bitch at you W Woggleman . My apologies if this comes off as an attack - I didn't mean for it to be that way. I was more thinking out loud.

 

[Kacho]

Adam Carolla w/ Dr Drew podcast is up for those interested

 

[DeafTourette]

so, how did she just find out where he was from, did she ask someone? She also could have said he was from her hometown, or he's from where i am from etc. Just happens to choose neck?

my man this either has fake story from you or fake story from her written all over it.

The number of coincidences that has to line up for that to happen seems a bit ludicrous, plus the moral of the story is that the other person overreacted... i dunno, i call sus im hitting the button.

It happened the wayy I said. I'm not making it up. And I'm not posting her post on here so some weirdo can doxx her.

 

[Dr_Ifto]

This sounds extreme but maybe it is time to split the country up. I think the idea of a 50 state America is done and a peaceful divorce would better than a violent fracture. It is sad but it is better than going the way of Sarajevo and Yugoslavia.

80% of the country is 1 to 2 issues apart from each other. Stop listening to the 20%.

 

[StueyDuck]

It happened the wayy I said. I'm not making it up. And I'm not posting her post on here so some weirdo can doxx her.

Don't worry.

We all believe your totally true and real story that definitely happened

 

[vanillaFace]

I see conservatives saying this a lot over the last week, and I'd sure love to hear even a framework for a plan for how this would happen.

• Are you suggesting we split by a majority vote in each State? If so, are we going to have two nations that are each a patchwork of land that isn't connected?
• Red States would then have to build walls around their borders with blue states to keep out the liberal/immigrant zombie hoards?
• Blue States generate the bulk of the GDP and the taxes. Red States cumulatively take more tax dollar hand outs than they pay into the system. So Blue states are subsidizing Red States. If the country were to split into Red America and Blue America, does Red America understand how screwed they would be from day 1?
• What do you do with the Stock market and everyone's investment accounts? How would you even begin to go about splitting these into separate entities?
• Two separate militaries?
• What do you do with the MAGA voters in Blue states and the libtards in Red States? Relocation program? If so, who's paying for it? If not, what do you do with those people? Deport them? Jail them for their speech crimes?
• Who gets the constitution, and what changes are made for the new Red America and Blue America? Red gets a second amendment and Blue doesn't? Blue America gets a single payer healthcare system and Red America gets to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the tax money from the Blue States?

I get that people are upset about this murder, but as a centrist Independent, the rhetoric from MAGA is sounding as crazy to me as the far left moonbats right now.

It's terrible that Charlie Kirk was murdered. But his murderer is in jail and will stand trial for his crime. Your neighbors didn't murder him, even if they're assholes who say things that upset you.

Edit: I'm not trying to bitch at you W Woggleman . My apologies if this comes off as an attack - I didn't mean for it to be that way. I was more thinking out loud.

until you realize:
-there are only two genders
-marriage is between a man and a woman
-abortion is murder
-DEI is retarded
-Planned Parenthood should not receive any government funding
-mask mandates were retarded
-vax requirements were retarded
-children should not be given puberty blockers
-drag queens are a blight to society
-and many other things

you are not a centrist, but rather, you are far left.

 

[j0hnnix]

just read.. Milo is coming out of retirement.

 

[Topher]

That was not the expedient thing to say in conservative circles, but he said it with conviction and surely influenced people on his own side to not resort to hate and exclusion.

Not stuff you'll see find heavily quoted on the left or right. Doesn't follow the tribal script that most in politics adhere to. Takes some integrity to say something like that knowing full well the risk of turning the crowd against him.

 

[rm082e]

just read.. Milo is coming out of retirement.

 

[StueyDuck]

It's terrible that Charlie Kirk was murdered. But his murderer is in jail and will stand trial for his crime. Your neighbors didn't murder him, even if they're assholes who say things that upset you.

I agree with everything you say, besides the bolded. If their neighbours are the ones making TikTok videos saying "just do it, someone do it already", or cheered when the man died, then I'd say they completely played a role in his murder.

Maybe not by pulling the trigger literally, but clearly in their hearts, they believe this was the right solution, and you mustn't forget it or play it off as if it isn't.

They didn't pull the trigger, but they definitely paved the road to that rooftop to put that nutter there with his rifle.

But this is talking purely about neighbours who did celebrate it or did have these sorts of radical views.

obviously your regular ass neighbor doesn't harbor such hatred, wasn't complicit.

 

[calico]

The sane people keep all of the states, send all the crazies to Ukraine and Palestine. Everyone is happy.

 

[Shrennin]

He was one of a kind. He was able to express his beliefs but be respectful to those he disagreed with. Regardless of what side of the aisle you fall on, the world is worse off without Charlie Kirk. He was doing things the right way by encouraging debate and civil discussion.

 

[DeafTourette]

WOW! Respect

 

[Kacho]

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

This sounds extreme but maybe it is time to split the country up. I think the idea of a 50 state America is done and a peaceful divorce would better than a violent fracture. It is sad but it is better than going the way of Sarajevo and Yugoslavia.

What you are saying would be the previous step to a nuclear war exchange. You have to understand that the whole West is under attack from inside and OUTSIDE. The forces that have spread the poison would work to get both sides destroyed. The European Union is about to fracture too. Do you think its a coincidence? The West is on their knees, with Russia and China stronger than ever and islam growing everywhere. A fractured United States would be the end of it.

There is no magic recipe to fix this and its going to be painful. I'd attack the problem in three fronts:

- First: ban every ideology that weakens the fundamental values of the western civilization. You have to be ruthless with this. Whaever ideology that is dividing the country must be erased. Anticolonial movements and the likes must be thrown into the darkest pit. No more bullshit that makes people feel miserable. All that needs to go.

- Second: treat as traitors every individual and organization with ties to foreign powers whose purpose is to undermine the values of the West.

- Third: develop a "recovery plan" for the people who have become fundamentalists. They need to come back to their senses. There will be a minority of lunatics that are unredeemable, but the majority should be brought back to the sane world or else the plan will crumble.

For example, in the case of the trans community, the government should not demonize them but instead, throw the hammer at the bastards who have ruined the lives of confused kids after mutilating them and feeding them with a cocktail of explosive drugs. Doctors, the legacy media and the big pharma must feel the heat for this aberration. It's going to take a good deal of courage to do this, but it's necessary if you want to fix the country.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

That was not the expedient thing to say in conservative circles, but he said it with conviction and surely influenced people on his own side to not resort to hate and exclusion.

That was pretty damn awsome.

Not going to be the same without him.

 

[Hot5pur]

Seems there is an incredible amount of misinfo and disinfo going on, definitely got caught in that.
What I understand so far is this guy was from a right wing religious family, grew up with guns and religion, then went to some deep corners of the internet where he decided he didn't like this Kirk guy. At that age ideologies can change rather quickly and go back and forth.
Politics has been increasingly fraught, cost of living crisis, AI psychosis, social media, etc, I imagine there hasn't been an easier time to radicalize young people.
Now a bunch of people are openly celebrating this murder, which is insane. Kirk said some extremely reprehensible sexist/racist things and was not a conventional conservative, somewhere in the radical conservative bin, but it does not in any way warrant what happened to him.
Even his own views had shifted over the course of his career, often showing his more moderate side.
Almost as insane is conservatives blaming "the left" and wanting to go to "war". You'd think with a mass shooting nearly daily int the USA we'd want to lower the temperature.
I don't have a lot of hope for the US unless cooler heads prevail.

 

[kruis]

Bill Maher of all people making a similar point I was trying to make a few posts back:

Good points. You can talk with the right, they're not crazy, they're not radicals, they have families, they're normies who want a normal life for their kids. The other side however... this is not about politics, this is about mental health and the dangers of social media.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Good points. You can talk with the right, they're not crazy, they're not radicals, they have families, they're normies who want a normal life for their kids. The other side however... this is not about politics, this is about mental health and the dangers of social media. How else can you these degenerates?

Yes, the millions of Democrats with children in this country are exactly like these extreme weirdos and aren't just normal people wanting a normal life.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I can't help it, this is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

I just wish Philip Seymour Hoffman was still alive to play the calm guy here in a film adaption

Man if I close my eyes this sounds exactly like trey parker and matt stone fucking around in the recording booth.

 

[StueyDuck]

Yes, the millions of Democrats with children in this country are exactly like these extreme weirdos and aren't just normal people wanting a normal life.

Then why aren't they calling them out, excluding themselves from these people? Why are we not hearing more democratic voices labelling this as extreme weirdos?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Then why aren't they calling them out, excluding themselves from these people? Why are we not hearing more democratic voices labelling this as extreme weirdos?

You mean like all of the Democrat politicians condemning the violence and people mocking it?

 

[th4tguy]

I wonder what can we do to keep the peace. It's very hard and complex lot of people are very cautious now. It is scary and dangerous.

A lot of the scary talk you hear of "the other side is trying to kill us" is very much in line with drumming up voter bases for donations and locking in votes for the midterms. Just like social media, anger and scare tactics drive the best engagement numbers.

You and your own will be ok. Don't let this board and other social media tell you otherwise.

 

[rm082e]

- First: ban every ideology that weakens the fundamental values of the western civilization. You have to be ruthless with this. Whaever ideology that is dividing the country must be erased. Anticolonial movements and the likes must be thrown into the darkest pit. No more bullshit that makes people feel miserable. All that needs to go.

How would you accomplish this? If I were speaking in public and the authorities decided I was spouting an "ideology that weakens the fundamental values of the western civilization", what should they do to me? No more free speech? I get arrested and locked up? How well has the history of banning ideas worked out and what would make this attempt succeed?

- Second: treat as traitors every individual and organization with ties to foreign powers whose purpose is to undermine the values of the West.

So anyone who does any business with companies in China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.? Who gets to decide what a foreign power's purpose is? And who gets to update the legal definition of "traitor" to allow the government to go after anyone they decide who is a traitor?

- Third: develop a "recovery plan" for the people who have become fundamentalists. They need to come back to their senses. There will be a minority of lunatics that are unredeemable, but the majority should be brought back to the sane world or else the plan will crumble.

"Recovery plan" = forced re-education camps? Maybe this camp could have guards with arm bands, funny hats, and sticks? Who decides who's a "fundamentalist", and a fundamentalist what exactly? What would happen to these fundamentalists at these "recovery plan centers" exactly?

 

[StueyDuck]

You mean like all of the Democrat politicians condemning the violence and people mocking it?

yeah condemning the violence of charlie kirks death (not all of them by the way, the democrat house committee refused to have a minute of silence and there's be other leaders like Ilhan Omar who has refused to condem it), but you said that about a video with mental trans activists being extreme.

I've not heard a single democratic politician speak ill of something like that. you said it yourself, extreme weirdos.

Where are all the democrats before the assassination telling people to stop on tiktok with the "just do it already" videos?

You might not see the optics, but this is democrats right now:



And I am not seeing any major voices from the democratic party/people calling out these people and saying, "No guys, this is not us, this is someone with mental health issues and doesn't belong to us".

so sure they've made their soft statements on their youtubes or on CNN or whatever, but I still don't actually see the democrats separating themselves from this behaviour.

 

[kruis]

Yes, the millions of Democrats with children in this country are exactly like these extreme weirdos and aren't just normal people wanting a normal life.

The point is that what the far left calls "far right", they're regular people. The far left however ... there are far, far too many people on the extreme edge who're batshit crazy and regular liberals are still AOK with these people. That should radically change.

It's a damn shame that they US political system is set up as a two party system with no room for any other parties. If the US had equal representation, the far left would have its own political parties and mainstream liberals wouldn't be accommodating the crazies on the far left to get their votes but get the hell away from them.

 

[Kiwicha]

Sorry if it has been already posted.

 

[Topher]

Bill Maher nails it

 

[LimanimaPT]

Well, this was one of the subjects I didn't agree with Charlie. He actualy said that black people commit more crimes. This is a racist claim. He backed this claim with percentage of people in prison by race. The thing is, other factors come into play...

 

[th4tguy]

What you are saying would be the previous step to a nuclear war exchange. You have to understand that the whole West is under attack from inside and OUTSIDE. The forces that have spread the poison would work to get both sides destroyed. The European Union is about to fracture too. Do you think its a coincidence? The West is on their knees, with Russia and China stronger than ever and islam growing everywhere. A fractured United States would be the end of it.

There is no magic recipe to fix this and its going to be painful. I'd attack the problem in three fronts:

- First: ban every ideology that weakens the fundamental values of the western civilization. You have to be ruthless with this. Whaever ideology that is dividing the country must be erased. Anticolonial movements and the likes must be thrown into the darkest pit. No more bullshit that makes people feel miserable. All that needs to go.

- Second: treat as traitors every individual and organization with ties to foreign powers whose purpose is to undermine the values of the West.

- Third: develop a "recovery plan" for the people who have become fundamentalists. They need to come back to their senses. There will be a minority of lunatics that are unredeemable, but the majority should be brought back to the sane world or else the plan will crumble.

For example, in the case of the trans community, the government should not demonize them but instead, throw the hammer at the bastards who have ruined the lives of confused kids after mutilating them and feeding them with a cocktail of explosive drugs. Doctors, the legacy media and the big pharma must feel the heat for this aberration. It's going to take a good deal of courage to do this, but it's necessary if you want to fix the country.

Now take everything you said but have it come from the mouth of a liberal and what kind of attitude would you have toward these ideas?

It's talk like this that gets people so scared and mad that they start to think and do horrible things because they believe the "other side" is out to get them. When policies start effecting peoples lives at fundamental levels, people get upset.

Whatever solution we find, it has to be a bipartisan solution because it's a bipartisan problem.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Dr.Morris79]

See, this is the problem.

I've known trans people and they were nowhere near the utter lunacy of these folks, they just got on with it.

If I was trans, and going by the few I've known, I'd want as far away as possible from these cretins

They really need to sort this radical shit out.

 

[Musashipan]

Tmz

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Tmz

Was anyone buying that 'Car chase' bullshit?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Was anyone buying that 'Car chase' bullshit?

Didn't the full video leak already and disprove the 'car chase' excuse?

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Didn't the full video leak already and disprove the 'car chase' excuse?

Did it?

I honestly don't know. Last I saw was some apology video

 

[Scrawnton]

(This needs to be said) As a life long blue voter, HOT DAMN JD Vance was spitting hot fire.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[DeafTourette]

He's a narcissist.

 

[Lord Panda]

That was not the expedient thing to say in conservative circles, but he said it with conviction and surely influenced people on his own side to not resort to hate and exclusion.

It also helped that he was right - at its core, Christianity is about forgiveness and acceptance, the very principles Jesus gave his life for. Sometimes conservatives need to be reminded of that.

Disclaimer: former Christian.

 

[kruis]

See, this is the problem.

I've known trans people and they were nowhere near the utter lunacy of these folks, they just got on with it.

If I was trans, and going by the few I've known, I'd want as far away as possible from these cretins

They really need to sort this radical shit out.

Oh, I also knew trans people but that was 20 years ago. That was when you'd have transvestites, drag queens and transsexuals, all very distinct categories. Transsexuals had to go through a rigorous procedure before they'd get the go ahead for medicines and surgery. That weeded out the crazies.

Things have changed dramatically since then. Now different groups of people are all called transgender, Now doctors and psychologists have to accept people's self-diagnosis and go ahead with medicines and surgery even if they're dubious about those claims. The number of people, in particular young girls who call themselves transgender has sky-rocketed.

The uncomfortable fact is that a large number of these transgender teenagers have psychological/mental problems and they're not getting the right help. The opposite is happening. The folks in their social media bubbles are doing everything they can to tell them: "Yes, all the problems you're having is because you're living the wrong gender. Take hormones, get surgery, that will fix everything. Just do it."

What's happening is that there are now far too many kids being put on a medical path who shouldn't have gone that far, who could have come to grips with their sexual identity and become happy gays or lesbians. There are also kids who are just confused as hell and should be talking to psychiatrists instead. And then there are actual transsexual kids who'll now have to much more difficult lives because of the conservative blowback against the mayhem caused by the crazies, weirdos and perverts among today's transgendered folks. Twenty years or so ago there was widespread sympathy for transsexuals individuals, but the radicals in the trans movement (who are for the most part not trans at all) have destroyed all that good will in the past couple of years.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Oh, I also knew trans people but that was 20 years ago. That was when you'd have transvestites, drag queens and transsexuals, all very distinct categories. Transsexuals had to go through a rigorous procedure before they'd get the go ahead for medicines and surgery. That weeded out the crazies.

Things have changed dramatically since then. Now different groups of people are all called transgender, Now doctors and psychologists have to accept people's self-diagnosis and go ahead with medicines and surgery even if they're dubious about those claims. The number of people, in particular young girls who call themselves transgender has sky-rocketed.

The uncomfortable fact is that a large number of these transgender teenagers have psychological/mental problems and they're not getting the right help. The opposite is happening. The folks in their social media bubbles are doing everything they can to tell them: "Yes, all the problems you're having is because you're living the wrong gender. Take hormones, get surgery, that will fix everything. Just do it."

What's happening is that there are now far too many kids being put on a medical path who shouldn't have gone that far, who could have come to grips with their sexual identity and become happy gays or lesbians. There are also kids who are just confused as hell and should be talking to psychiatrists instead. And then there are actual transsexual kids who'll now have to much more difficult lives because of the conservative blowback against the mayhem caused by the crazies, weirdos and perverts among today's transgendered folks. Twenty years or so ago there was widespread sympathy for transsexuals individuals, but the radicals in the trans movement (who are for the most part not trans at all) have destroyed all that good will in the past couple of years.

Not yet proven but there is way too much smoke around this. I'm sure the FBI is investigating right now so we'll find out soon enough

Also Discord is becoming a terrorist recruiting nexus and the government needs to do something about it. This isn't the first terrorist incident where a Discord server was implicated

 

[Trilobit]

Was anyone buying that 'Car chase' bullshit?

No. It was the most ridiculous excuse in quite some time. They might just as well have claimed that they were having a tickle party.

 

[Unknown?]

I see conservatives saying this a lot over the last week, and I'd sure love to hear even a framework for a plan for how this would happen.

• Are you suggesting we split by a majority vote in each State? If so, are we going to have two nations that are each a patchwork of land that isn't connected?
• Red States would then have to build walls around their borders with blue states to keep out the liberal/immigrant zombie hoards?
• Blue States generate the bulk of the GDP and the taxes. Red States cumulatively take more tax dollar hand outs than they pay into the system. So Blue states are subsidizing Red States. If the country were to split into Red America and Blue America, does Red America understand how screwed they would be from day 1?
• What do you do with the Stock market and everyone's investment accounts? How would you even begin to go about splitting these into separate entities?
• Two separate militaries?
• What do you do with the MAGA voters in Blue states and the libtards in Red States? Relocation program? If so, who's paying for it? If not, what do you do with those people? Deport them? Jail them for their speech crimes?
• Who gets the constitution, and what changes are made for the new Red America and Blue America? Red gets a second amendment and Blue doesn't? Blue America gets a single payer healthcare system and Red America gets to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the tax money from the Blue States?

I get that people are upset about this murder, but as a centrist Independent, the rhetoric from MAGA is sounding as crazy to me as the far left moonbats right now.

It's terrible that Charlie Kirk was murdered. But his murderer is in jail and will stand trial for his crime. Your neighbors didn't murder him, even if they're assholes who say things that upset you.

Edit: I'm not trying to bitch at you W Woggleman . My apologies if this comes off as an attack - I didn't mean for it to be that way. I was more thinking out loud.

Even if we split, it won't matter if both a ruled by the banking elites like we are right now. That's really a big reason why we got to our civil collapse is from decades of wealth being stolen from the people and funding endless wars and propaganda.

We need to eradicate banking sectors having a monopoly on currency and go back to sound money. If we split but we still aren't in control of our own currency, we will still be in the same predicament.