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I never said that. It's not an either or proposition. Not agreeing with his views is not me saying he should have been killed.
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Kotaro
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It's not speculation, armed queers SLC is under investigation as per what congresswoman Paulina said. And the fact they erased their digital footprints, make it even more suspicious. Whether they're involved or not, we still have to wait
I hope the end result is that trans ideology branded as terrorism ideology
Mistake
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The killer was found and his motives are pretty clear, at least for me. Unless we find additional people that get charged, co-conspirators that helped plan it, I'm fine with this thread staying for a bit just to dispel that Charlie was a terrible guy. Controversial, fine. But he wasn't a bad person and in no way deserved this. Alternately, we could have a type of memorial thread of things each of us is doing positively to improve the lives of ourselves and others
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Man who lied he'd shot Charlie Kirk 'caught with child porn on phone'
George Zinn, the 71-year-old who lied about being the one who shot Charlie Kirk, had several images of young children on his phone, according to the Utah County Sheriff's Office.
Of course, why am I not surprised. I bet he regrets trying to help the shooter escape now.
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Kotaro
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Whatever they tried to accomplish, they only produced opposite effect, magnified 10X over. Church attendance going way up, Christian faith rejuvenated, interest in TPUSA going thru the roof
Violence is never the answer
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Carton
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Honestly, I frequently see very poor critical thinking from highly educated individuals. I think it's a product of pure intellectual hubris; they forget their education and qualifications are products of hard work and long hours of study, not because they're inherently brilliant and speak insightfully and truthfully without proper consideration and research. Not to mention, their expertise is niche and possibly at the expense of being across a broader range of topics.
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Boss Mog
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This is surreal to watch. It really is like an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Literally stuff straight out of 1984: "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
Doomtrain
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If they don't like being blamed for the murder, they should really stop posting stuff like this.
ResurrectedContrarian
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You dropped into a thread about his murder to say:
It doesn't take a master of oratory to see that dropping in to say "actually, his views are the real problem" in this context means that somehow the rest of what's being discussed (his killing and the reactions to it) are somehow not the real problem or are less of a problem than his views.
dolabla
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The state of Texas isn't messing around.
Boss Mog
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People like him are cowards that's why they always try to phrase things in a way that obfuscates their true feelings. At least the crazies have the courage of their crazy convictions, how ever wrong those may be.
Anybody who says stuff like "muh both sides" is not being sincere and we know exactly what side they're on. One side gets cancelled for calling a person with XY chromosomes and a penis a man, while the other gets cancelled for encouraging and celebrating the murder of those who disagree with them. "Totally the same thing, both sides equally guys."
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Unfortunatecookie
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Then you haven't watched the reactions to Charlie Kirks death.
There are multiple nations and their people that have shown, publicly, that they want America and Americans to suffer. As an American working abroad, I have literally encountered and worked with these people on a daily basis. Currently, there are videos of Europeans saying that what happened to Charlie Kirk was deserved. Do you need a link?
This shit stops being funny once you understand the ramifications of it. Charlie Kirk is the same person that consistently insulted everyone who did not agree or look like him. Do you need help in understanding why people who are black/transgender/homosexual/Latino would celebrate his death?
Do you think that when Donald Trump dies, the world will mourn him or pop champagne and make TikToks dancing to his death? What do you think?
This is not true.
It's only true in the mind of people with brain rot who only read half quotes and get their misinformation from WaPo, NYT, or TikTok.
DaciaJC
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I'm sorry, what? Where in the world did you get this from?
Kotaro
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radical left-wing extremists, trans-activists
Doomtrain
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More importantly, it's the wrong question. Words are not equal to physical violence and don't justify physical violence.
That should be obvious to anyone really. Like in GRRM said: Words are wind.
If your argument can't persuade people to your side and you need to shoot the opposition, than your argument is weak.
Who cares.
pel1300
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That poster sounds like a stereotype of a western expat. I lived in Asia for 10+ years...left 5 years ago, then was living in Mexico for a few years after. Most of the western expats were super left leaning, very anti-America, and just very consumed with American politics even though they don't live in the US anymore. Often they shoehorn politics into casual conversations, unprovoked, in a way that they assume everyone agrees with them.
The more recent young digital nomad types are usually a bit more chill and not as emotionally invested in politics. They seemed to be either apolitical or centrist maybe even more right leaning. Makes sense since many of them are crypto bros.
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Unknown Soldier
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They aren't going to just give up control of the educational brainwashing complex they built over the past few decades
Griffon
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My guess is they're gonna accelerate the bold-faced lies and rhetoric because they've been found out and can't back out of it.
They hope enough people are tools and will gobble whatever lies they say.
Dr Bass
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The constant irony in all this is that facism/totalitariansim etc., are all aspects of of left wing ideology. It has nothing to do with being right wing whatsoever. The media and academia has been hugely successful in putting this narrative out there. Accuse your enemies of what you're doing, indeed.
Giallo Corsa
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Mental gymnastics, brother
Lord Panda
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We've got the same breed of 'journalists' and 'personalities' here in Australia pumping out the same duplicitous, fake-concern hit pieces: 'Yeah, what happened to Kirk was terrible … BUT' - then they trot out a laundry list of imaginary sins, branding him racist, far-right, bigot, homophobe, etc. It's maddening how deep the rot has gone - genuine objective reporting is on life support. Even the ABC, our so-called BBC equivalent, has lurched so far left it can barely keep up the charade of impartiality.
I didn't even follow Kirk - there are things I disagreed with him on, like gun control. Some of the things he credited to religion, I chalk up to natural evolution, biology, and plain common sense. But I admired the man: his intelligence and recall, his courage, his natural oratorical skill, his drive, and above all the fact that he seemed like a genuinely decent human being. I was floored when I found out that his was only 31 years old - he was so young and he and his family had so many years of them ...
The sheer number of heartfelt messages pouring in from people of every colour, creed, and lifestyle shows just how deeply he resonated with people. And that's what the cowards couldn't handle - that he could dismantle them with words, expose them as the fools they are, and do it with ease. So they vilified him, and in the end, they cheered on the violence that took his life.
I didn't even follow Kirk - there are things I disagreed with him on, like gun control. Some of the things he credited to religion, I chalk up to natural evolution, biology, and plain common sense. But I admired the man: his intelligence and recall, his courage, his natural oratorical skill, his drive, and above all the fact that he seemed like a genuinely decent human being. I was floored when I found out that his was only 31 years old - he was so young and he and his family had so many years of them ...
The sheer number of heartfelt messages pouring in from people of every colour, creed, and lifestyle shows just how deeply he resonated with people. And that's what the cowards couldn't handle - that he could dismantle them with words, expose them as the fools they are, and do it with ease. So they vilified him, and in the end, they cheered on the violence that took his life.
laynelane
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I stopped reading at you're an American working abroad. You actually believe that gives you the insight and qualifications to state what an entire country of people want and how they think. How unfathomably arrogant of you.
MonkD
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It's clear that most people throwing around those terms have no idea what they actually mean.
There is obviously a big problem with the internet hivemind that has evolved. Just look at people popping in to this thread and saying that this guy was fascist nazi. Dude was having conversations. The people of debated him came up to him, not the other way around. I can also see that there are a lot black people that have come to his defense. You can of course argue that he is a racist and those defending him are "pick-me's" or whatever is you're calling them, but the idea that a nazi would work to create better life for inner city black kids is ridiculous. I've also seen plenty of his conversations with homosexuals where he states that he's not advocating for it, but he doesn't care about what you do in your bedroom. And all of the reposts in regards to 2nd amendment and empathy. You can even see that the most common circulating screenshot with the empathy quote has been cut-off. Why are people like this?
So much misinformation and gaslighting going on. Massive fucking cope. I've started asking for sources, and the few who respond will send me videos of others explaining why he's bad, nothing from any of his 100s of videos. And don't get me started on the media pushing Tyler Robinson as some kind of MAGA goon. Dude was a (poorly) closeted homosexual who was hanging out with transexuals. Conservative trans people exist, but I doubt that those are the ones he was hanging out with if he was groyper.
One of the largest news sites in Sweden had a video called "Charlie Kirks 4 most controversial opinions". It was 1:30min long, and did not contain a single clip of Kirk saying anything, but it had 20 or so seconds of Trump calling covid the "China virus". They also had morning news echo that the shooter was likely a radical right-winger(and Charlie was far-right). But I haven't heard them say shit about it since the text messages dropped.
I don't live in the US. So the political climate does not really affect me directly. But the way that the media is spinning the shit out of this, and the scale of which people are playing in to it is fucked up. I grew up before social media, but critical thinking and source evaluation was a major part of the curriculum in the early 2000s. What happened?
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JD was right, no unity.
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Dr.Morris79
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Neither do I, but it does. Somewhere along the line.
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That's a creepy looking dude man
Embearded
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Kojima was ahead of us once again.
With each new post, my masters changed along with the words they made me speak. With each change, I changed, too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words can kill.
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MonkD
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Definitely. All of the culture stuff in the west has a trickle down effect from the US. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not coming from the (seemingly) more tribal perspective that keeps getting extrapolated through being a democrat or a republican. We don't have the extreme leftists here(yet). Or at least not in a number that is significant enough for anyone to really give a shit about.
Prime example was when morons here started demonstrating during BLM. Our cops are not even close to as trigger happy, and we rarely have any fatal shootings. Yet these terminally online people took to the streets to demonstrate against the police as if they're living in the US. The most controversial shooting we've had in Sweden was when a dude with downs syndrome got shot for aiming a fake gun at the police. But that shit died down in a week.
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they always look like this
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Trilobit
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Far-left: "We need more violence"
Conservatives with their +50.000 TPUSA requests: "We need to talk more"
I see a big difference here.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this in the news:
Every time there's a major leftist new thing in USA it's just a matter of weeks before it's adapted by the left in Sweden. It's like they have no thinking of their own.
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darrylgorn
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Kinda agree with this take. When I think left, I think authority and right means freedom. Both are potentially dangerous.
Airola
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Exactly.
People seem to think being progressive means they are always going towards a peaceful utopia by peaceful means. But progressiveness doesn't really have an end goal. Often it's just about breaking the status quo and going "forward" just for the sake of going "forward", and that leads into situations like where feminism is today; progressives wanted better rights for women and that's what they got, but when there wasn't that much more to progress from, then progressives started to think men can change into women and women can change into men which still was especially in hindsight at least a bit reasonable take. When that was done and there wasn't much to progress, they started to think that it's not about men becoming women and women becoming men, but instead it's about men already being women by merely thinking they are women. At that point talking about "sex change" was problematic to them, so they demanded you have to call it "gender reassignment", and during all this women who didn't like this progression started to be called TERFs and now we have men with and without hormonally grown boobs telling it's ok to punch a woman if she's a terf, essentially meaning that you have to agree with me or else. AND at the same time those people don't get called out as fascists.
Leftism isn't really a problem in itself. It's the progressive ideology that eats itself to death. At some point progressives have to become conservatives anyway. At some point they have to conserve what has been achieved. But that will never happen because they always need to feel they are progressing towards something. And currently it's, among with all other insanity, at a point where people are giving excuses for assassination because of opinions.
LimanimaPT
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I don't where you have been but this completely false for portugal.
It's social media, people can post anything they want. It's time for polititians to start to consider the ban of mass social media.
Wildebeest
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The problem has been traditionally defined that the "right" form of freedom is negative liberty. The "freedom from" government interference, thought control, destabilizing new ideas on society, and so on. While the "left" form of freedom is positive liberty. The "freedom to" an education, access healthcare, live your dream life, and so on.
Honestly there are problems with being an extremist on each end. Freedom from education, healthcare, emotional intelligence, aspiration is not a strong ticket. Neither is freedom from independent thought, free thinking, or a stable predictable life.
Airola
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The biggest irony of this is how he claims the right are in denial trying to gain political points, but immediately goes for political points himself with the Trump clip. Grinning as if he is 100% correct about it. He did not even think for a second that maybe, just maybe, someone who has survived a similar assassination attempt and had another almost happen maybe wants to keep his mind in other things. No, he spread lies and misinformation and disinformation and used it to have a jab against Trump.
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