Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Lol at Kimmel turning on the waterworks - I guess castrated guys like him can turn it on pretty easy. It's pretty transparently fake since we all know how he really feels about it by his original comments. He also cried on his show when Trump was reelected lol.
 
I could have read @Topher post out of context for sure. If that's the case, my point stands in its own. It's clearly an attempt to censor ABC and Jimmy. He is quite literally threatening them for airing the show
Listen, you might have a point if the show was censored, but it wasn't. It literally aired minutes ago (maybe still on? who knows). That's not how government censorship works, or they are just really bad at it. If you want to see government censorship, read the Google story.
 
Any summary of what he said? I don't particularly want to give it a click. I guess I'm curious about this - did he show any sign of remorse for the lying at the very least?
He fake cried briefly at the hypothetical concept that he might be a bad person, because he's definitely not. Then said that he doesn't think Robinson is part of an ideological group. And thanked the likes of Ben Shapiro et al for standing up for him even though he disagrees with them on everything and doesn't want to be associated with them in any way.

Basically a full apology.
 
Freedom is the only way yeah.
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Listen, you might have a point if the show was censored, but it wasn't. It literally aired minutes ago (maybe still on? who knows). That's not how government censorship works, or they are just really bad at it. If you want to see government censorship, read the Google story.
I can't tell if you are being serious. The president just threatened retribution against a television company for producing and airing a show, that's censorship. The government making the threat itself is the attempted censorship. Just because they're fumbling the bag doesn't make it legal. You know, just like how someone can attempt a robbery, screw it up and go to jail for burglary.

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Are you being serious? The president just threatened retribution against a television company for producing and airing a show, that's censorship. The government making the threat itself is the attempted censorship. Just because they're fumbling the bag doesn't make it legal. You know, just like how someone can attempt a robbery, screw it up and go to jail for burglary.
He's threatening to sue them in his personal capacity - not as the government. He's successfully sued several media companies of late - or at least they are settling to avoid potentially embarrassing lawsuits. It's a pretty empty threat in this case though- Kimmel is not a news show and so doesn't have to be unbiased - even though the nightly monologues from these guys are where a lot of people get their news and are undoubtedly misinforming people, as Kimmel tried to do with Kirk's murder.

Kimmel has very low ratings on TV but his nightly anti-Trump monologues get a lot of views online. The same for the other late night guys - it seems to be largely what's keeping them afloat.
 
He's threatening to sue them in his personal capacity - not as the government. He's successfully sued several media companies of late - or at least they are settling to avoid potentially embarrassing lawsuits. It's a pretty empty threat in this case though- Kimmel is not a news show and so doesn't have to be unbiased - even though the nightly monologues from these guys are where a lot of people get their news and are undoubtedly misinforming people, as Kimmel tried to do with Kirk's murder.

Kimmel has very low ratings on TV but his nightly anti-Trump monologues get a lot of views online. The same for the other late night guys - it seems to be largely what's keeping them afloat.
If he was speaking in his personal capacity then he wouldn't be floating accusations of illegal campaign contributions and the like. He can't sue ABC for those type of acts in his personal capacity.
 
To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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Hate the left all you want but stop letting this guy be the answer. Both extremes are bad.
 
Lol at Kimmel turning on the waterworks - I guess castrated guys like him can turn it on pretty easy. It's pretty transparently fake since we all know how he really feels about it by his original comments. He also cried on his show when Trump was reelected lol.
The packed the audience with a bunch clapping seals and sycophants.

And jesus christ at that 30 min monolouge. As if the usual 10min one isnt bad enough.
 
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Having 1 major platform that now leans right compared to all the others who lean left is not something I'm gonna complain about. In a perfect world I would want everything to be fair, but in this one, the other side wants to push graphic lgbt propaganda on elementary school kids so fuck fairness, whatever it takes to get rid of that. When the western world is back to normal then we can worry about steering too far to the right.
You think it leans right but it is actually infested with russian bots, so I don't know what is the biggest threat here
 
He fake cried briefly at the hypothetical concept that he might be a bad person, because he's definitely not. Then said that he doesn't think Robinson is part of an ideological group. And thanked the likes of Ben Shapiro et al for standing up for him even though he disagrees with them on everything and doesn't want to be associated with them in any way.

Basically a full apology.
More of a "I'm sorry you got offended" apology. No real apology anywhere in his monologue. He said his comments may have been misunderstood. How do you misunderstand him saying the shooter was MAGA?

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

"Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what — it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make. But I understand that to some, that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset."

Any summary of what he said? I don't particularly want to give it a click. I guess I'm curious about this - did he show any sign of remorse for the lying at the very least?
 
So honest question, what makes Antifa a terrorist organization compared to other groups like gang affiliations, proud boys, or even the KKK? Wouldn't any group doing harm to people different from them or their ideas be on the table to be classified as said terrorist group.

Stop watching/reading CNN, MSNBC, ABC news. Those other groups have not been active for a while.

Antifa groups in the meantime are well funded by rich left-wing activists like George Soros and Pritzker family

BLM riots in 2020-2021, Tesla showrooms looting/burning, violent protests against ICE early this year are done by groups self-proclaimed as antifa, antifa-affiliated, antifa-adjacent

….and violent pro-palestine protests like this

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More of a "I'm sorry you got offended" apology. No real apology anywhere in his monologue. He said his comments may have been misunderstood. How do you misunderstand him saying the shooter was MAGA?

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

"Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what — it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make. But I understand that to some, that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset."


I was being facetious with the final line there
 
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I didn't pay attention to the shooter's location, but on the original video it's VERY clear that he was shot from the side. You don't need to be an expert to see that. I didn't even know that fbi said that he was shot from the front 🤔

that's censorship.
You clearly don't know what censorship is.

MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them
It is insinuation that shooter needs to be uncharacterized as maga, but it's not "he was maga". His wording was unclear (I think intentionally) and can be read with different meanings.
 
Hate the left all you want but stop letting this guy be the answer. Both extremes are bad.
Trump is a necessary evil who saved the world from Clinton and Kamala presidencies and all the woke madness and authoritarian censorship that would have unleashed. Just think if the deep state/govt bureaucracy had been allowed to consolidate power for that long. People are quick to forget all the insanity of the Covid/BLM years.

However, he's not really presidential material and he's not able to rise above his own flawed persona when performing the role.

It's pointless getting up in arms when he flouts rules and norms, though, because he doesn't even understand the rules or norms he's flouting. There's no grand scheme or plot with Trump, he can only be who he is. That said, I do think it will be good when Trump moves on. JD Vance would make a much better president.
 
More of a "I'm sorry you got offended" apology. No real apology anywhere in his monologue. He said his comments may have been misunderstood. How do you misunderstand him saying the shooter was MAGA?

"We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."

"Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what — it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point I was trying to make. But I understand that to some, that felt either ill-timed or unclear, or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset."



A weasel worded 'apology' (read: non-apology) was really all that could be expected from him.
 
Trump is a necessary evil who saved the world from Clinton and Kamala presidencies and all the woke madness and authoritarian censorship that would have unleashed. Just think if the deep state/govt bureaucracy had been allowed to consolidate power for that long. People are quick to forget all the insanity of the Covid/BLM years.

However, he's not really presidential material and he's not able to rise above his own flawed persona when performing the role.

It's pointless getting up in arms when he flouts rules and norms, though, because he doesn't even understand the rules or norms he's flouting. There's no grand scheme or plot with Trump, he can only be who he is. That said, I do think it will be good when Trump moves on. JD Vance would make a much better president.

You're kinda right I guess but I'm still baffled he was the best option the republicans could come up with. Like no one said « lol no dude you lost pretty hard against a very old dude and made a whole tantrum about rigged elections and tried to overthrow the results, and you're lucky you're not in jail right so I think you should leave now, we have better, more suitable candidates ». And his VP was litteraly one of the only republicans calling him « America's Hitler » and yet ran with him, and now blames people who do the same.

If it was a TV show, I've stopped watching it long time ago cause it's too unrealistic
 
So honest question, what makes Antifa a terrorist organization compared to other groups like gang affiliations, proud boys, or even the KKK? Wouldn't any group doing harm to people different from them or their ideas be on the table to be classified as said terrorist group.
Ordinary criminal gangs might intimidate people as a consequence of their actions but it is not typically the main purpose of the illegal activity. eg. If a gang member sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet, it is usually because they want your wallet rather than to influence your political speech or how you vote. I think once you reach a certain scale of criminal activity that line can become blurred though.

The KKK effectively was a terrorist group and was treated as such, even if it didn't get the label back then. They were using violence to intimidate for political purposes. The President was given the power to go after them with the military where local law enforcement couldn't or wouldn't deal with them. Civil rights era KKK was treated in much the same way this executive order seeks to treat Antifa: by siccing federal law enforcement on them. If they were still as active as Antifa is now, and if local law enforcement was unable or unwilling to deal with it, they may well be labelled a terrorist organization.
 
To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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And this is one of the reasons America is in so much trouble. Any other president would be calling for calm at the moment.

Trump does not GAF and seized Charlie Kirk's death as an opportunity to attack people and to try and silence his detractors.

Given that Trump wants to bring an end to wars around the world and be recognised as a peacemaker, it's ironic that he seems to want war in his own country.

Edit: it's pretty wild that people think that's a funny comment. Presumably somehow some people think the president isn't escalating things and is calming things down.
 
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You're kinda right I guess but I'm still baffled he was the best option the republicans could come up with. Like no one said « lol no dude you lost pretty hard against a very old dude and made a whole tantrum about rigged elections and tried to overthrow the results, and you're lucky you're not in jail right so I think you should leave now, we have better, more suitable candidates ». And his VP was litteraly one of the only republicans calling him « America's Hitler » and yet ran with him, and now blames people who do the same.

If it was a TV show, I've stopped watching it long time ago cause it's too unrealistic
It would be nice if a better candidate had stepped up, but Trump is what we got. We can wonder why that is - I think most men are either too afraid, or are opting out of society and allowing woke women and weak men to run wild.

It seems only certain types of men are willing to stand up in today's climate. Guys like Trump or Elon Musk. I saw Jordan Peterson make this point about Tommy Robinson - maybe you want a better person than a working class guy with a shady past standing up against grooming gangs, but he's the only one who was willing to risk it.
 
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This sub has nearly 5 million members, this has more than 13,000 comments with at least 95% of the comments mocking her. You have to scroll down for ages to find comments that go in a different direction.
What gets me is that these people think they are the good guys in this. How are they not able to look in the mirror and realize they are talking about a woman whose husband has been shot right in front of her? How is this deranged thinking this popular?



















 
And this is one of the reasons America is in so much trouble. Any other president would be calling for calm at the moment.

Trump does not GAF and seized Charlie Kirk's death as an opportunity to attack people and to try and silence his detractors.

Given that Trump wants to bring an end to wars around the world and be recognised as a peacemaker, it's ironic that he seems to want war in his own country.
Trump obviously doesn't want a war, but conservatives did not want a President who will just go through the expected 'stay calm everyone' motions then back to business as usual as they are being hunted for speech, as their rights are being infringed upon and as they lose their country to mass immigration and degeneracy. They wanted someone who will fight back on their behalf. He won precisely because he wasn't the typical 'any other President'.

Biden really exacerbated this because it became obvious to anyone being honest that the position of President had withered to the point of being no more than a spokesperson for an unelected deep state, which is not what it is supposed to be. Biden had increasingly little idea where he was or what was going on, and deep state media was still trying to insist he was absolutely fine. The situation was ludicrous but everyone saw it and it cannot be unseen.
 
Any summary of what he said? I don't particularly want to give it a click. I guess I'm curious about this - did he show any sign of remorse for the lying at the very least?

Wasn't lying. All he said is that the right wants to distance themselves from the shooter. If you think government should censor a comment like that, wow.
 
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This sub has nearly 5 million members, this has more than 13,000 comments with at least 95% of the comments mocking her. You have to scroll down for ages to find comments that go in a different direction.
What gets me is that these people think they are the good guys in this. How are they not able to look in the mirror and realize they are talking about a woman whose husband has been shot right in front of her? How is this deranged thinking this popular?

It's all just tribalism at this point. There is no middle-ground when you refuse to listen to what the "others" are trying to say. There are no real sides to any of this. How many issues do you really disagree on? You definitely agree on more things than you disagree, yet it's always presented as this two sided thing. If you had more than two parties the differences would become more apparent, and you'd eventually get rid of the crazies that are no lumped in with the moderates. Best to remind ourselves that most of this isn't happening in the real world. Most of these idiots survive on places like Reddit and Twitter, they're not real. If you met a 250 pound transexual who has been in quarantine since 2019 you wouldn't take them seriously. Their opinions can only survive on overly moderated forums where they can echo it with the bots.

Same as with AI it's easy to tell how infested sites like Reddit really are. Of course there are idiots that will echo shit they've heard from others as if it is fact, but most of the time it's just crappy bots/AI without any real sources. I probably come off as some tinfoil, but I'm seeing way to many bots interacting on those sites (especially reddit).
 
Freedom is the only way yeah.
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This is scaremongering. If you delve a little deeper, you'll read.

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So this is backed by only six Michigan GOPs who are not backed by their party so the proposal will fail. Scare mongering.
 
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This sub has nearly 5 million members, this has more than 13,000 comments with at least 95% of the comments mocking her. You have to scroll down for ages to find comments that go in a different direction.

It's all bots and controlled to make it appear it's a huge consensus, they simply delete a shit load of comments and downvote others. It's some commie china level of gaslighting, but if predditors don't bath in their own shit they start to get antsy.

This is actually why they lost, they got lazy and believed you could simply manipulate people by shutting them down and deplatforming. This is a fundamental misunderstanding how networked societies operate, only in authoritarian regimes with unique reward systems and muscled enforcement (like china) this is possible to do. Their final option is mass immigration to try to reshape demographics and drown everyone in the process.
 
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To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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If it was an actual independent, free market decision to take Kimmel off the air, Trump would have no issue if he came back on the air in the same manner.

He's pissed because his plan to take him off the air abusing the FCC's powers backfired.

Anyone with a brain who has been following this story can see this was government censorship.
 
To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate

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And why does the white house have a direct line of communication with ABC, a private company? This reeks of what the democrats did with private messaging Facebook officials to ban certain users.
 
Plus he talks about all the lame presidents who had no charisma and forgot about the french president who eloped with a woman he had married to another guy a couple years ago (he was mayor at the time), then divorced her and married lenny kravitz ex while president (sarkozy and cecilia and then carla bruni).
Most of all he forgot Chirac, the president who was such a horny devil that everyone could see him on live tv flirting like mad with any good looking woman, journalist or otherwise, most of the time right in front of his wife :



And of course he was missing the point that makes France, and Europe in general actually different.
It is having lived through war on our soil not so long ago.

I remember Chirac speaking with Bush jr about the invasion of Irak and the clean war US were selling to allieswith the so called "surgical strikes". He told Bush (who interestingly was a huge poser when it came to military service) : "There is no clean war. I know because i fought in one". He was speaking about the french-algerian war. It was common knowledge french troups tortured algerians and everyone who participated more or less did it.

I think that is also the greatest flaw of liberals. They think they can hate without consequence because the target of their hate is "evil" or whatever. It is a stupid rationalization. There is no clean hate to paraphrase Chirac. The problem is hate not the target. But if you are in your own privileged bubble you tend to forget that.

Plus Chirac was the original Rizzler
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Ordinary criminal gangs might intimidate people as a consequence of their actions but it is not typically the main purpose of the illegal activity. eg. If a gang member sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet, it is usually because they want your wallet rather than to influence your political speech or how you vote. I think once you reach a certain scale of criminal activity that line can become blurred though.

The KKK effectively was a terrorist group and was treated as such, even if it didn't get the label back then. They were using violence to intimidate for political purposes. The President was given the power to go after them with the military where local law enforcement couldn't or wouldn't deal with them. Civil rights era KKK was treated in much the same way this executive order seeks to treat Antifa: by siccing federal law enforcement on them. If they were still as active as Antifa is now, and if local law enforcement was unable or unwilling to deal with it, they may well be labelled a terrorist organization.
So wouldn't the proud boys be labeled as such since you know some were apart of the whole Jan 6th thing and been pardoned in the meantime. I think that would classify as a terrorist act would it not.
 
The government didn't do anything. But they could by the "hard way" - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1I3O_GW4AAIh3S?format=jpg&name=900x900

All 3 rules do not apply in this case.

1. We do not know what ideology the shooter followed until he tell us himself. There's ample evidence he was either leaned to the right or to the left. At this point, evidence favors the left but it's not confirmed.

2. Most leftist already believe he was right wing so how can a comment agreeing with what half the country already believes have any foreseeable harm?

3. The information was already broadcast and no harm came of it.
 
Wasn't lying. All he said is that the right wants to distance themselves from the shooter. If you think government should censor a comment like that, wow.
No. He implied that "we all know it was a MAGA guy". He might have believed what he said was true, but it was a highly inflamatory comment to make considering the heated politcal tempature in the immediate aftermath of the assasination. A suspension was most certainly called for.
 
If you wanna go down that path of logic, sure. They didn't do anything the same way the Biden admin didn't do anything except pressure private companies to ban users they disagreed with. The private companies did the banning. Government didn't do anything.
Kimmel broke the rules. He was told about it and asked to correct his behavior. He refused and was temporarily dismissed. Everything was (and could be) done within the law.
I don't know how things unfolded in the case of the Biden administration. What kind of pressure could it exert within the law? The only thing I heard was Zuckerberg saying that they were on the phone shouting.

Was she super rich?
She was his school teacher (with 3 kids).
 
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