Mayar
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Is this the only thing that bothers you? What about the number of Expert Analysts in this thread who know exactly what will happen in 3-5 years?Which next gen "console"...
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Next Gen POWER CROWN - Xbox PC or PS6?
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RetroGamingUK
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Voted PS6 as it's the only console on the list.
Topher
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Can you help me install Chrome on my PS5 "PC"?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Who gives a crap anymore?
"Oh wow, there are exactly 10 more pixels in the 4000 x 5000 pixel Xbox frame vs the 4000 x 4990 pixel PlayStation frame! TEN WHOLE PIXELS!!"
Graphical differences considered a rounding error today (which is what 99% of graphics differences are now between PS5 & Series X) mattered a whole lot more back in the late '80s or the '90s because the graphics themselves were so much more primitive. By today's standards gaming consoles back then weren't capable of much, so what little extra performance they had to offer over competitors stood out that much more.
At least in relation to each other, diminishing returns (purely on the graphics & framerate side) between PlayStation and Xbox is very real, and economics puts a hard cap on how much power these devices can have. Yes, even the Magnus Xbox. No PC game dev is going to specifically target that system at the low-level for peak optimization & performance, because it makes zero economic sense for them.
It's nothing like back in the day when SEGA had software teams specifically coding to the metal on high-end hardware like the Model 2 and Model 3 (which destroyed any PC hardware available at the time for graphics performance, let alone other consoles).
"Oh wow, there are exactly 10 more pixels in the 4000 x 5000 pixel Xbox frame vs the 4000 x 4990 pixel PlayStation frame! TEN WHOLE PIXELS!!"
Graphical differences considered a rounding error today (which is what 99% of graphics differences are now between PS5 & Series X) mattered a whole lot more back in the late '80s or the '90s because the graphics themselves were so much more primitive. By today's standards gaming consoles back then weren't capable of much, so what little extra performance they had to offer over competitors stood out that much more.
At least in relation to each other, diminishing returns (purely on the graphics & framerate side) between PlayStation and Xbox is very real, and economics puts a hard cap on how much power these devices can have. Yes, even the Magnus Xbox. No PC game dev is going to specifically target that system at the low-level for peak optimization & performance, because it makes zero economic sense for them.
It's nothing like back in the day when SEGA had software teams specifically coding to the metal on high-end hardware like the Model 2 and Model 3 (which destroyed any PC hardware available at the time for graphics performance, let alone other consoles).
MiguelItUp
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At this point we just need games. I still feel like this generation has been severely lacking in the AAA games department. Praise AA/budget titles and indies for carrying the year for the most part. Makes me wonder how the future will pan out.
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Mayar
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Ev1L AuRoN
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If the rumors are True. Xbox magnus will be more powerfull, being a PC, part of that advantage will be lost due to it's PC nature. The real battle will be the best bang for you buck and in that regard I think xbox is DOA.
Topher
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Mortisfacio
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Assuming the rumors are true, it will hands down be the Xbox. PS6 will still sell better, but Xbox will be the more powerful device.
Physiognomonics
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Stop it. Gamespot told us the console wars were over.
EverydayBeast
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Xbox by a mile I'm telling you it will be the second gen in a row that Microsoft has the better console
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
RodriGames40
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I fail to understand to this day how a PC with an Xbox sticker gets this much traction on GAF. This gotta be astroturfing of some sort...
nial
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It would VERY hard to make an hybrid device even just as powerful as a PS5 Pro, though.
There's a reason Canis exists.
PaintTinJr
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The crown isn't worn by the hardware, but the software that produces the best next-gen results. On the basis that Cerny and AMD have been working on the hardware and software side of things for two years according to their recent collaborative reveal of Neural Arrays, Radiance cores and Universal Compression I suspect PT on PS6 will be superior - by Cerny's lego choices - and upscaled from lower resolution giving better next-gen looking results,
I do expect all the lacklustre cross-gen software to run better on Xbox PC to give it the early impression of the power crown, but as 1440p60->4K60 will look so similar I don't think the early wins will matter as much.
I do expect all the lacklustre cross-gen software to run better on Xbox PC to give it the early impression of the power crown, but as 1440p60->4K60 will look so similar I don't think the early wins will matter as much.
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Mister Wolf
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The prebuilt from Microsoft by a healthy margin. You get what you pay for.
PeteBull
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Xbox pc will definitely be stronger, and pretty sure it will be at least 20% stronger on avg, i base it simply on difference in APU size, and since both mashines will be on 3nm process its logical much more expensive to produce xbox pc will have higher performance, hell it doesnt even needs to keep console form factor aka it can have much higher clocks/bigger size cooling- its disadvantage will be for sure windows (maybe rumored win12 even) bloat but who really knows how much performance its gonna lose coz of that, days of games coded to the metal on consoles are long gone too unfortunately...
Which Next Gen console will wear the POWER CROWN?
Early days but it's always fun to speculate... do you think XBOX PC (or whatever they're going to call it), or PlayStation 6, will be the more POWERFUL machine?
(and how much difference would it make if one machine were clearly out in front?)
Now saying all that i think if it really costs premium like DEI sarah proudly announced, 1200$ or maybe even more, its sales cap ltd gonna be 5 to 15m units, total.
Ps6 even if its still pretty expensive(lets say 800$ discless) can reach 80-100m as long as games we wanna play are there(ps5 backwards compatibility with enhanced auto-version for ps6), few solid exclusives including bloodborne remaster(kinda like demons souls remaster, launch title so hardcore audience catches the bait), gta6 ps6 port with 60fps that looks close to maxed pc version etc
Edit: 20% stronger in layman terms is half the difference from base ps5 to ps5pr0, so not something super crazy, but if u are graphic whore like myself, u will definitely notice it, to give another example series s to series x was +200% difference in gpu power, so 10x more vs supposedly xbox pc vs ps6 differnece gonna be.
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Durin
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Well if Microsoft is going to go "premium", my assumption is they're going to try and sell power + the larger PC software library.
So I guess Xbox PC will be more powerful, but the price could screw them like the PS3 got f'ed early on for the first few years vs the 360.
Bigger problem is just AAA this gen sucking complete ass vs. previous generations, in both frequency of release and quality. Until that gets fixed, new hardware isn't going to excite people as much, and we're seeing longer cross-gen periods each gen now.
So I guess Xbox PC will be more powerful, but the price could screw them like the PS3 got f'ed early on for the first few years vs the 360.
Bigger problem is just AAA this gen sucking complete ass vs. previous generations, in both frequency of release and quality. Until that gets fixed, new hardware isn't going to excite people as much, and we're seeing longer cross-gen periods each gen now.
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twilo99
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Are you implying that the PS5 has custom hardware which prevents it from running software made for x86?
The ancient CPU in there should run chrome just fine if Sony allowed such blasphemy on their platform
Topher
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Not because of "custom hardware", but because of a completely locked down device. Ultimately, that's what separates PCs from consoles.
RodriGames40
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You actually won't, except in VRR modes almost certainly. The ML upscaler likely to be FSR5 will make sure of that, 1080p-2160p internal resolution ranges will be impossible to notice unless you literally own pixel pepping equipment like that of DF.
Markio128
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Of course. I'm thinking slightly better than Pro in docked/TV mode, then the energy save mode for handheld.
Shifty1897
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Judging by the massive amount of leaks, it will be the Xbox PC, but you're gonna pay dearly for all that power.
Trogdor1123
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PlayStaytion
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It's a different story when you use all your PC resources especially on PC games, no one said it'll holdback the experience.
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Zacfoldor
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PeteBull
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I will notice in 20% smoother fps, lets not forget many games got some massive fps problems even now, to not look far mgs delta
Moses85
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RodriGames40
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I imagine VRR modes is where we'll see the difference. As things are, I doubt we'll see any games under 60 FPS next gen so... I imagine the average user rocking its non-VRR 4K panel will be more than fine with either device.I will notice in 20% smoother fps, lets not forget many games got some massive fps problems even now, to not look far mgs delta
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twilo99
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Doesn't change what I said about them essentially being machines built with mostly outdated "PC" components..
Sure, the software side can be as locked down as the corporation selling it likes it to be…
Topher
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Were you under the impression that every PC sold today has the latest and greatest tech? Cuz that just ain't true.
Locking the computer down is part of the business model of consoles and that's what makes them "consoles". That's why they are sold near cost. Been that way for decades now. Obviously you know this.
alabtrosMyster
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That must have been a career moment for Phil.
twilo99
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Does all any of that change the fact that these locked down gaming machines are made up of mostly outdated PC components?
bitbydeath
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I voted, I don't care as the console war is over.
FalconPunch
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My pc is already stronger than the Xbox PC so the power doesn't matter and when the 6090 comes out, I'll upgrade to that...
Gameplay Gods Bless
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The real answer is whoever has a 5090 now already won. Anyone who has a 7090 then will be coasting till the PS7 Pro.
Which Next Gen console will wear the POWER CROWN?
Early days but it's always fun to speculate... do you think XBOX PC (or whatever they're going to call it), or PlayStation 6, will be the more POWERFUL machine?
(and how much difference would it make if one machine were clearly out in front?)
pacman4000
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Probably?
IF NextBox is considerably more powerful, it will absolutely consume considerably more power too.
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jasondefaoite
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Does Amy Hood's requirement the xbox gaming division implement a 30% profit margin target impact the cost of this device even more?
It's not a question of not being subsidised but now the expectations are they make margins they've never hit before. Ever.
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Topher
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Just means you are not making much of a point