ThoseDeafMutes
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I know he means well and is just having fun, but the Ether Snake over-analysis is driving me insane.
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I know he means well and is just having fun, but the Ether Snake over-analysis is driving me insane.
Nick Laslett
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I'm still not clear in my own mind how to intepret the Space Jesus/2000 years ago stuff.
One of the first things the Captain does on waking up is put up a Christmas tree. You can't get more on the nose than that.
Anyway, one idea that did occur to me was buildling on the Fallen Angels vs Goodie Angels concepts.
What if the 2000 years ago event that changed things was the Goodie Angels interferring on Earth. So Fallen Angels through black goo seed life on Earth. Millions of years later the competing faction of Goodie Angles turns up and tries to interfere in the project. That would tie very neatly into the exisitng Christian Jesus myth, ie Goodie Angel seeded Mary with Jesus. Fallen Angels find out what Goodie Angels have done, they decide to wipe out humans in retribution becuase humans have so readily ditched the ancient belief systems and accept the one God myth.
*Edit. One of the reasons I like this intepretation is because it is consistent with exisiting Christian beliefs. The same way the Engineer's seeding of life, doesn't contradict the theory of Evolution as a layman would understand it.
Good Job Bob
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The biggest thing that bothers me about this film:
This is a trillion-dollar mission to a far away planet that potentially harbors alien life. You wouldthink KNOW that these people would have a deep understanding of why they're on this mission and have trained heavily for it.
Instead, they find out why they are there when they've already landed on the planet? The fuck?
This is a trillion-dollar mission to a far away planet that potentially harbors alien life. You would
Instead, they find out why they are there when they've already landed on the planet? The fuck?
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The briefing scene was a throwback to Aliens (not that it makes it any better).
"Good morning marines, sorry we didn't have time to brief you at Gateway Station, but e.t.c."
In line with the 120 minutes that preceded it.
It's odd for sure. All we learn is that the Geologist was there to get paid. We learn nothing else about the others. Vickers does say that she has briefed some of them "personally" but yea the mission briefing seemed to be strictly for Geo Retard and Bio Retard and the two co-pilots. And I guess a few others. It was pretty dumb
Generalizations and assumptions FTW!
What bothers me was there's no authority figure on this film who said "No, you little brats. We're going to take precautionary measures before you start opening the metaphoric Christmas present". But one that is respected by the script/film itself. In "Alien", Ripley's character was clearly the one and she was proven right when everyone else got in deep shit because they're ignoring her warning. In "Sunshine", Chris Evans' character was the one. He too was constantly proven right when they got in deep shit because his co-crew were ignoring his warning. In this film, we got one of the co-navigator telling Holloway that they should probably do some check before going out which Holloway promptly dismiss because the character has no weight in the script.
HAHAHAHA. It's Mass Effect 3 ending thread all over again.
HAHAHAHA. It's Mass Effect 3 ending thread all over again.
Because *insert usual reasons why Prometheus is a mess here*
I thought the engineers created humans with the purpose to use them to produce biological weapons and that the "sad" truth to our whole existance was exactly that. We're just labrats....or perhaps a better example being all those animals that are being grown only to get skinned for their fur. The engineers would have unleashed the black goo around the world and then later on came and picked up their biological weapons.
David's "to create, you have to destroy first" fits in with that.
David's "to create, you have to destroy first" fits in with that.
Here are a bunch of links to various artwork and designs by different artists who worked on the film. Some of the unused stuff are really good. 
David Levy's concept art for Prometheus: http://vyle-art.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/coming-soon-prometheus-and-more.html
Steve Burg's concept designs for Weyland's Mars HQ: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-i.html
Steve Burg's Prometheus ship designs: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-ii.html
Extended opening sequence storyboards by Darwin Shaw: http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/book-hints-at-extra-scenes/
David Levy's concept art for Prometheus: http://vyle-art.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/coming-soon-prometheus-and-more.html
Steve Burg's concept designs for Weyland's Mars HQ: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-i.html
Steve Burg's Prometheus ship designs: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-ii.html
Extended opening sequence storyboards by Darwin Shaw: http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/book-hints-at-extra-scenes/
Well, Simon Pegg did like both films:
Wait.
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Oh...
Note how David starts "trying harder" (i.e. experimenting on the crew) right after that first day, too. That's one tight schedule!
Weyland funded the mission as a means to interact with the engineers in the final days of his life. You get the sense that he wasn't that concerned with the additional scientific benefits that might have come out of the mission.
I'm starting to honestly believe that this movie may in fact have been a farce. I'm not positive about this or anything, but it at least seems to be much more enjoyable to think of it as being a very bleak comedy with David as the protagonist. The humans are all just so goddamn pointless and stupid, it's like it has to be on purpose or something:
The geologist who sends his 'pups' to make the map that he's able to read from a panel on his suit - gets lost.
The biologist ignores the universal sign for "angry, viscous creature" and reaches out to pet the hissing cock snake.
The anthropologist, after discovering the ancient ruins of an intelligent alien race - gets drunk and whines just because they're not alive.
The captain of the trillion dollar expedition apparently can't steer all that well - requiring two additional crew members to volunteer themselves to die (with glee).
Vickers only knows how to run forward...?
Etc, etc. The humans are all simple morons who give us very little reason to root for them. They aren't charming, clever or even all that likeable - only David is (well, the captain too, but he at least gets laid). I would even go as far to say that he is in many ways a continuation of Ripley from Alien: Resurrection; both are true rogues, manufactured by 'the company', with super strength and outstanding b-ball skills. Anyway, he's the one who saves the day and gets the girl in the end - because it was all about him the whole time. Poisoning Holloway, sabotaging Weyland (killing his parent), etc were all good moves as far as the film's logic is concerned.
I feel like I can go on and on deconstructing things about the movie with this mindset, but I'll stop before I get too ahead of myself. This is merely a fun way to think about the film, I'm not saying it's the right way. Unfortunately, I have to think about it as being a black comedy just to quit being so disappointed with the film. So if it's right or wrong, I don't care. It's what I chose to believe. Thanks for reading.
The geologist who sends his 'pups' to make the map that he's able to read from a panel on his suit - gets lost.
The biologist ignores the universal sign for "angry, viscous creature" and reaches out to pet the hissing cock snake.
The anthropologist, after discovering the ancient ruins of an intelligent alien race - gets drunk and whines just because they're not alive.
The captain of the trillion dollar expedition apparently can't steer all that well - requiring two additional crew members to volunteer themselves to die (with glee).
Vickers only knows how to run forward...?
Etc, etc. The humans are all simple morons who give us very little reason to root for them. They aren't charming, clever or even all that likeable - only David is (well, the captain too, but he at least gets laid). I would even go as far to say that he is in many ways a continuation of Ripley from Alien: Resurrection; both are true rogues, manufactured by 'the company', with super strength and outstanding b-ball skills. Anyway, he's the one who saves the day and gets the girl in the end - because it was all about him the whole time. Poisoning Holloway, sabotaging Weyland (killing his parent), etc were all good moves as far as the film's logic is concerned.
I feel like I can go on and on deconstructing things about the movie with this mindset, but I'll stop before I get too ahead of myself. This is merely a fun way to think about the film, I'm not saying it's the right way. Unfortunately, I have to think about it as being a black comedy just to quit being so disappointed with the film. So if it's right or wrong, I don't care. It's what I chose to believe. Thanks for reading.
Cloning would have saved them millions of years though.
Here are a bunch of links to various artwork and designs by different artists who worked on the film. Some of the unused stuff are really good.
David Levy's concept art for Prometheus: http://vyle-art.blogspot.com.es/2012/06/coming-soon-prometheus-and-more.html
Steve Burg's concept designs for Weyland's Mars HQ: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-i.html
Steve Burg's Prometheus ship designs: http://steveburg.blogspot.fr/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-ii.html
Extended opening sequence storyboards by Darwin Shaw: http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/book-hints-at-extra-scenes/
The mars concepts can be seen in Weylands hologram briefing and the extended opening was shot and the actor who was in it tweeted that it should be included in a "directors cut" for home video
Their motivations are explicitly not explained. Shaw is still in search of those answers when she departs LV-226.
I know, I was replying to the "human beings were merely grown as chestburster hosts" theory, there.
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The Technomancer
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If the ship flipped on its side sooner it's quite possible Vickers would have survived and Shaw would have been crushed. Shaw was almost crushed anyways. Luck saved her. I think the people complaining that Vickers was stupid for running in a straight line aren't considering the complete chaos and randomness of the situation.
No, plot armor saved her.
The Elite
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That actually bothers me more than Vickers getting crushed. Realistically, I would imagine that the weight of the craft would have flattened the entire area it fell on.
The Technomancer
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Realistically I would imagine that the enormous ring shaped craft would buckle and break upon landing on its side after falling from several hundred feet in the air.
It's made of very hard material because god-like aliens build good shit.
The Elite
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It was made out of space metals that kept it together.
For Solo: Space Metals = Plot Alloy.
Re: Vickers - so unfortunate. I find Vickers to be more interesting than Shaw. I don't know why people see her as this raging B*tch when she was the basically just being cautious and not stupid. You don't just let infected crew back into the ship right away without proper procedure. Even Ripley did the same thing back on "Alien". I also don't think Vickers hates her father that much. If anything she seems conflicted. She wants the company and yet instead of just staying in the comfort of their office down there on Earth, she chose to accompany him on his journey. She said "A King has his reign and then he dies, it's only natural" but before that she clearly expressed her concern "If you go down there, you're going to die".
As a side note, I like the tinfoil theories some people have about how she might be an android too. Not likely but if that's a way of bringing her into the sequel, I'll take it.
As a side note, I like the tinfoil theories some people have about how she might be an android too. Not likely but if that's a way of bringing her into the sequel, I'll take it.
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Vickers was my favourite character in the film. I was crushed when she died. I think it would have been better if the film ended with Vickers and David.
She was pretty badly written and never really had a real place in the story. That made it hard to care for her character or treat her as a real character as opposed to a glorified plot device for "tough decision" moments in the script. She seems to have no real motive at all on the mission.
What a coincidence. So was she!
I was so angry when she died just like that. What a stupid way to kill a character. Such a waste of potential. Ditto when the captain and his co-navigators kill themselves stupid. It's like they were running out of creative way to thin down the crew.
Hurr hurr on your choice of words though.
Isn't everyone else the same though? Well, everyone else whose name is not David or Shaw.
The Elite
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She's carrying out her father's mission and obviously not too happy about it. I think she would have been pleased if there was nothing of note on the planet at all. She should have been more prominent in the film.
She was not concerned AT ALL. Do you remember the scene where Janek says to her, "What you didnt want them to find anything?"
She resents her father for two things:
1. Loving his artificial son more than her and 2. Artificially prolonging his life, which means she can't take over the company and presumably inherit his wealth.
She just wanted him to die because she wanted his money. That's it. I don't believe for a second that she accompanied him on the mission to see how he did. She was there for protect the company investment and that's it
Lindelof has already confirmed that she is 100% not an android so forget about that theory
She resents her father for two things:
1. Loving his artificial son more than her and 2. Artificially prolonging his life, which means she can't take over the company and presumably inherit his wealth.
She just wanted him to die because she wanted his money. That's it. I don't believe for a second that she accompanied him on the mission to see how he did. She was there for protect the company investment and that's it
Lindelof has already confirmed that she is 100% not an android so forget about that theory
Discotheque
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I couldn't really give a shit about any of the characters. Only "death" that sort of affected me was David because I found him to be the most interesting.
In fact I'd have preferred the film to open with David just doing his day-to-day in Prometheus for like 15 minutes.
Hell if Noomi Rapace also got crushed by the ship I wouldn't have minded, which is strange considering how she's kind of this film's Ripley
In fact I'd have preferred the film to open with David just doing his day-to-day in Prometheus for like 15 minutes.
Hell if Noomi Rapace also got crushed by the ship I wouldn't have minded, which is strange considering how she's kind of this film's Ripley
The Technomancer
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Vickers and David had the only interesting relationship in the entire movie. I was actually really impressed how they built up their relationship in a way that didn't totally spell things out for the audience in a movie that otherwise consisted of doing just that.
This. Also pressure waves. Everyone in the area should have dead from pressure effects of the craft hitting the surface (although realistically, the Prometheus hitting the alien ship initially should have generated a big enough wave to have pulped anyone out in the open).
http://io9.com/5793265/how-big-an-explosion-could-you-realistically-survive
The movie is filled with bad characters, yes. I don't think she's particularly worse than anyone else other than David, but I don't think she was any better either. I don't like Shaw either.
I don't think this is accurate. Weyland keeps things from her, and David is the one running the mission as far as Weyland was concerned. He wouldn't even share his thought with her. In fact, their conversation later on indicated that she wasn't even supposed to be on board, and that she had no official part in the mission itself. So I'm confused as to why she is on board, and why she lied to the others that she's doing it on company orders because they paid for the mission.
Creationist. Scientist.
brandonh83
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She had more to her than Ripley, but... two different characters.
The movie talks about 35 000 years. With how fast that thing from the impregnation grew it's fair to assume that it didn't take long for humans to grow either. It would also be fair to assume they had hundreds or thousands of other planets populated in the same manner.
Something happened on the research moon, things went bad, all records of earth were wiped from the engineers' records, everyone forgot about earth and humans could advance to the stage where they were in the movie (which wasn't supposed to really happen).
She's not a creationist but whatever
Do a lot of non-creationists wear crosses and pray?
There is no Ripley in this film. Ripley is a character who is able to deal with dangerous threats instinctively. The only threats in this film are the characters themselves. Everything that happened was a result of unbelievably poor planning, really stupid reactions, and contrived plot devices.
If you take the exact same scenario, and you replace the crew with people who are not incompetent and stupid, no one would have died. In fact, the odds would be good that in that scenario, Weyland Industries would become the greatest bio-science corporation for the next 50-100 years because they would be returning to Earth with life samples from the Hammerpede, they would have a few of the vases and their contents for further research, they would have a few Engineer corpses and suits to dissect, and detailed maps and recordings of the various tech used in the ships and hangers of the Engineers.
Did I mention no one would have died? Hell, with a good security team, they could probably even have captured the surviving Engineer alive, and have him in containment for questioning.
You do know that tons of Christians aren't creationists right?
If you take the exact same scenario, and you replace the crew with people who are not incompetent and stupid, no one would have died. In fact, the odds would be good that in that scenario, Weyland Industries would become the greatest bio-science corporation for the next 50-100 years because they would be returning to Earth with life samples from the Hammerpede, they would have a few of the vases and their contents for further research, they would have a few Engineer corpses and suits to dissect, and detailed maps and recordings of the various tech used in the ships and hangers of the Engineers.
Did I mention no one would have died? Hell, with a good security team, they could probably even have captured the surviving Engineer alive, and have him in containment for questioning.
You do know that tons of Christians aren't creationists right?
Discotheque
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lol, intentional?
she is a creationist. When Tom Hardy-lite is talking to her about the cross she says "Well who made the engineers?" or something like that.
This reminds me, I wanna watch Contact again soon. I liked that film.
whoops, Freudian slip!
symphonask
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Isn't Vickers that authority figure, though. Sandstorm outside? "I'm closing the outer doors in 15 minutes, I sincerely hope you make it." Infected crew member? "He's not coming on my ship."
If she was with the initial expedition, I'd bet she wouldn't have taken her helmet off. She's arguably the most cautious character in the whole Alien series. I really liked her. Hope her deleted scenes make it into the extended cut.
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