I don't understand what you're talking about. You need to give concise conversation example. You mean something like "No kidding?" then why don't just say "No kidding"?
I lit up one of my graduate students...
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I don't understand what you're talking about. You need to give concise conversation example. You mean something like "No kidding?" then why don't just say "No kidding"?
It was clear we had a misunderstanding.
To steal from cyan's video earlier, imagine two people talking, in this case men. One person spills a secret they shouldn't have:
Person 1: Oh, sorry, forget that it came out of my mouth
Person 2: haha no homo.
(it's not the best example but it'll do)
Now, let's repeat with that's what she said (stolen again, shamelessly):
Me and my co-workers were waiting for work orders to come back from a client for a while, and all the comments were sent back at once. While reviewing the notes I said without thinking about it, "It's not that it's hard, it just all came in at once." TWSS
I frankly don't see those as very different. Do you?
I don't really like the comparison to "that's what she said" because "that's what she said" doesn't have another implication that essentially says "thank god I'm not a woman."
Whether or not you're using "no homo" solely for a double entendre, the other implication still exists. And keeping the word alive for one use is just keeping it alive for the other as well because sadly some people aren't aware enough to tell the difference.
Whether or not you're using "no homo" solely for a double entendre, the other implication still exists. And keeping the word alive for one use is just keeping it alive for the other as well because sadly some people aren't aware enough to tell the difference.
Foxy Fox 39
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I wish I wasn't on my phone...but there's only so much I can type. Anyway there is absolutely nothing wrong with reassuring someone (yes croc even verbally) that their opinion of you is wrong - whether they think youre gay, Jewish, an artist or a chocolate lover. I'd agree that the kid in the OP was stupid because there needs no clarification for what he was doing.
I just think of that phrase as almost a synonym for "purely platonic" - only its specifically reserved for use between the same gender.
I'm not fighting for it's continued used, by any means. It was just an sidebar that made for interesting linguistic debate. I, like many people here have said, basically know when to keep my mouth shut in the company of strangers, but when people tell me that something is offensive I do try to change my habits even in the company of friends. One example is 'retarded'. Regardless of it's correct and literal meaning, it has a derogatory subtext so I try to avoid it. Nothing will ever stop me from pointing out double entendre though. They're like fart jokes, nobody every truly outgrows them
That doesn't even make sense and it's not even funny. To me that's an equivalent of saying "That's gay" instead of saying something like "That's gross". It's using homosexual-related words to indicate dislike, basically equating the sexuality as undesirable in the process.
As for your situation, most normal people would just say "Ha ha, no worries". It's not complicated, is it?
Foxy Fox 39
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that too.
One is offensive to gays. The second is offensive to no one. I've heard a number of women say, "That's what she said" in the proper humorous context. Would you make a reference to China, and then add, "haha, no chink." ? I'm guessing no.
Apparently it is complicated. I don't know how 'no worries' fits in anywhere here, to be honest.
In addition, this is clearly personal for you, i get that, but you're projecting the idea of 'undesirability' onto this whole thing (in this specific case). It is simply pointing out the entendre (for some people, and in my case) and has nothing to do with 'liking' or 'disliking' the act in question.
I'm not fighting for it's continued used, by any means. It was just an sidebar that made for interesting linguistic debate. I, like many people here have said, basically know when to keep my mouth shut in the company of strangers, but when people tell me that something is offensive I do try to change my habits even in the company of friends. One example is 'retarded'. Regardless of it's correct and literal meaning, it has a derogatory subtext so I try to avoid it. Nothing will ever stop me from pointing out double entendre though. They're like fart jokes, nobody every truly outgrows them
That's definitely nice to hear, as I do the same. I know back in high school even I used to say gay and retarded and stuff just because lots of other people did. No one ever asked me to stop, I just thought, "What do I gain by saying these things people find offensive? Nothing."
There's definitely room for debate here; I'm not demanding everyone find it offensive like some people seem to think. I'm just explaining why it IS offensive to people, yet apparently other people finding it offensive isn't a good enough reason for some people to stop using it. It just gets me that some people's thought process seems to be "I don't find it offensive so I will keep saying it," and ends there. As if the thought of something they say being offensive to someone is so...well, offensive to them, that they spitefully continue using it.
Foxy Fox 39
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so the root problem in your opinion is the use of "homo"? I wouldn't disagree if that's what you're implying but for arguments sake whats your opinion if they say "no homosexual" or some derivative of that.
If you can't explain then don't expect people to understand how you came to that conclusion. From what I can understand someone had said something a bit sexual and became apologetic. All you have to do is to simply reply "Ha ha, no worries". How does "No homo" fit in there. Please explain.
Your asking if it's okay or not, and I told you, as someone who's AFFECTED by that word, that it's not okay. And yet, you keep insisting that it's okay. What else can I say to that? It'd be like me saying something insulting about Jewish people but I keep saying that it's not insulting because I don't feel that it's insulting despite people of Jewish origin have told me otherwise.
Also, don't expect people to not raise their eyebrow if you go around saying that word while conversing with them. I mean I don't even understand how that word will fit in any normal conversation.
Foxy Fox 39
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I think you're confused.
speculawyer
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Do tell us then how I am confused. Replying in one short sentence doesn't make you clever.
IMO, I have as much control over strangers getting offended by what I say as they have control of me saying it in the first place.
People will say childish things. The people who say them in public are saying more about themselves than they are about anyone else. It's classless (low-rent? is that offensive? probably), so for me it just simply doesn't pay to get offended (butt-hurt?) because, to sound elitist, the moment someone says something like that in public I know that I'm better than them. Feelsgoodman
To bring this all around back to OP, I think bish did the guy and his class a service, if by ' lit up' he meant 'explained how and why that behavior is inappropriate in public and how committing it will hurt them , by making them look classless in front of their peers, possibly hurting their chances for upward mobility and the like.
Frankly I don't think you can teach people to be nice, or, more specifically, empathetic. IMO it's innate.
disappeared
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Bish are you a professor?
So if you have kids/brother/sister and one of them come out as gay you can't be emphatic to their plight? To refrain yourself from making them feel bad about their sexuality?
I feel sorry for them already.
Anticitizen One
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the fact that bish is a college professor is super hillarious to me. I want to take your class just to see that ban hammer drop
now you're straight up trolling.
No, just an industry guy who takes one day a week to teach the next batch of designers and producers what's what before they head into their respective careers.
While my tone has turned into sarcasm, I'm not even trolling. Some people are not willing to understand something until it hits them in the face. Then they'd have no choice but to deal with the reality at hand. It's usually not until someone close to you actually in the same position as those that you insult/make fun of that you finally understand why something is insulting. You can then either: try to be a better person, to develop empathy for them. Or to reject them completely out of your life. Which person would you become?
Monocle
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Good job, bish.
There is something wrong with that phrase. It feeds into ignorant notions of how guys are supposed to behave. It paints gay people as gross or weak, as objects for mockery. What's so fucking PC about acting like a decent human being? It's not that hard to stop using tactless phrases that belittle other people.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Should have been the first post.
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying now. I was simply engaging in a debate about the meaning of the phrase in different contexts and we had a serious misunderstanding about what I meant. It's frankly too late in the evening for me to elaborate, so let's just leave it at that.
in what context?
Monocle
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Self-deprecatory irony is well and good. The phrase's common use is still distasteful.
My gay friend says so homo and no hetero all the time. Cracks me up.
In a very similar way as "thats what she said." Just a phrase comes up in as small joke every now and then. You hear it a lot in a joking way up north, and especially in the military. I'd blame cam'ron for starting the phrase.
If this stuff offends you, I can understand. The guy was inappropriate by doing that in class. There is a time and place for joking around. In a professional environment, bad form.
But I think people need to lighten up as well.
I also say "make me a sandwich, with some waffle fries" to my girlfriend all the time. She knows I'm joking and would never demand her around like that. One time I came home and she actually made me a sandwich, and we just laughed.
I'm 25, feel free to call me immature I guess. I smoke rocks.
Teaching is a calling. It really is a demanding profession and it will take in as much as you put into it.
Still, it is so rewarding watching your students grow both intellectually and emotionally. The positive impact a teacher can last a life-time, even in game design.
Teach 'em right.
There are several reasons why your student's mindset will be a huge detriment to his career in game design, not to mention his development as a human being. I hope you were able to turn the whole ordeal into a positive experience- not necessarily for his sake, but for the sake of the class. I find that temper and rage are not the way reach students, only because they tend to stop listening when you enter parent mode. In game design though, you need to be so in tune with the experience you're trying to provide, as well as the people you're trying to reach that closing off your mind to different ways of thinking / living is just hampering yourself creatively / professionally. Whatever, I'm not telling you anything you probably don't already know.
I can go on and on about teaching and its techniques, but I'm not a master. I'd LOVE to teach and I struggled with the decision to go into education or game design. Eventually, I figured that game design would give me more time with my family (yeah, can you believe it!) and would pay more. Also, the stress and demand of teaching at a public school, especially a low-income school where kids are facing the troubles of the community and home, would demand too much from my family. It's too bad and I still think about it at times because that's where you can really make a difference in the future.
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Don't think you have the "ghetto" pass
Prime crotch
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So you get them ready for the reaming of their lifetime, to ease the passage.
Hematocryal
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I didn't think a phrase could be over analyzed this much, but I stand corrected by all the part-time psychologists that are in this thread.
A friend tells an offensive joke. It's hilarious.
A stranger tells the same offensive joke. Who the FUCK do they think they are?
Life *shrug*
A friend tells an offensive joke. It's hilarious.
A stranger tells the same offensive joke. Who the FUCK do they think they are?
Life *shrug*
donkey show
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Game design....
So your student probably reads gaf. Not only did you berate him publicly in front of his peers, but you are showing him how much you despise his actions on the Internet amongst an even larger group of his peers. I'm not saying what he did was right or acceptable, but I can't agree with your actions either. Especially when this entire thing was a well intended gesture.
So your student probably reads gaf. Not only did you berate him publicly in front of his peers, but you are showing him how much you despise his actions on the Internet amongst an even larger group of his peers. I'm not saying what he did was right or acceptable, but I can't agree with your actions either. Especially when this entire thing was a well intended gesture.
CommonSense
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Had this been a first or second year undergrad I would have said you were being to hard on him. But a grad school kid in his mid twenties? Well played.
It always fascinates me to realize how some people think that "being gay" really means "hitting on anything and everything as long as it's got a cock".
Seriously, they're college graduates, they should know better.
And nobody said anything until you went berserk on the guy? That's really fucking sad.
that is probably its intent, but in that case shouldn't you also put a 'no hetero' to reassure female students that you don't expect sexual favours in return for a chocolate?
surely a simple gift should be assumed to not have any sexual connotations by default? no explanations necessary.
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