Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?

Yeah. But paying a monthly/yearly fee for absolutely zilch is a-okay, right?

I'm paying for a good online infrastructure that also has the best exclusive console multiplayer games (gears & halo). I'd rather pay for a known quantity than some bullshit promises about game streaming.

It sounds like you don't understand gamers considering everyone seems to disagree with you.

Also sounds like you're going out of your way to find something to hate on.

No I understand Playstation Fans are desperately trying to endorse every piece of bullshit Sony announces in hopes that the brand will survive.
 
Not this shit again. It's hardly convenient having to keep my 360 connected to my TV alongside my PS3, Durango and PS4, is it? Consolidation and convenience. I dip in and out of all my favourite XBLA games because they're easily accessible - it'll be great if I can still play them on Durango.
Would it stop you buying a Durango though? I'm guessing Microsoft are betting the answer is 'No'. All a platform holder needs to think about is whether doing X results in less sales.
 
Sony's cam is two regular cams taped together. It has a higher resolution and framerate than a kinect, but doesn't have the IR stuff, so depth measurement must be done by additional processing.

yeah I thought as much. thanks for confirming.

I really hope they don't focus on it too much though. I want to see core games and new IP.
 
I'm sure it can be really impressive, but most people complained when graphics was the only difference with some games and preferred new experiences. The game may end up being awesome, but will it really be a showcase for a whole new generation of consoles?
What would be a showcase for a whole new console?
 
So during E3 when there are a shitload of 1st and 3rd party games that only use Kinect for things like voice commands and whatever built in system functionality (ala record your face while playing or some shit) are you still going to say Xbox is a Kinect machine? Are you really expecting the next Halo or Gears or Forza to be completely Kinectified?

Gears is still an Epic game. MS has no total control over third parties, but certainly can “influence” their games. Again with Kinect being a part of EVERY Xbox 720 that changes developers decision to fully use it and build games for and around it. Will every third party game do this? No, and I would never say that. Will the machine itself, how you interact with it and its apps and MS first party games be Kinect centric? Absolutely.

Lets put it this way, we have all seen the last few MS E3 presentations and their focus shift more and more to the Kinect experience. With Kinect 2.0 being developed side by side Durango, reserved resources for OS, Metro and push for total home integration and domination what do you expect? Backing off Kinect or keeping its staus quo?? Kinect IS the difference between Xbox and PS. MS knows this and are pushing it, and like i said not just games. MS may at some point say something like “We havent forgotten gamers” or “gamers are still our focus”. Its not. MS's plan from the inception of the original Xbox has been total living room control. Games was the trojan horse, 720 is them showing their complete hand. Everything will run through your 720 and be interfaced with Kinect. Cable TV, Uverse, App, Metro, Facetime style features, Web, Netflix and more. I keep having to repeat myself but if you keep thinking just games you are thinking way to small and missing their focus.

Could I be wrong, sure, I dont think so but yea I could be. Given all the evidence in front of us I think there has to be some cognitive dissonance going on to not see where MS is going with the 720. If its bad or good is not for me to say. My friend and his family loves all that stuff and are anticipating the 720 because they are expecting much more of it. Love it or hate it will be completely subjective.
 
Would it stop you buying a Durango though? I'm guessing Microsoft are betting the answer is 'No'. All a platform holder needs to think about is whether doing X results in less sales.
Live 3.0 will have 360's arcade games. Ms trump card is live after all.
 
I'm fairly sure you're just joking here but it really does sound like something the evil, mustache twirling caricature of EA that people like to paint would actually do.

It'd never happen but if it by some miracle did, I'd laugh. I'd feel bad for people who care about EA games but since I personally don't, I laugh and laugh and laugh...
As would I and just watch the video game console industry burn itself into the ground while GAF implodes. Great times ahead. ;)
One thing's for sure: MS can't open their show with something as weak and insipid as Knack.
Can they?
They should start off strong with announcing Kinect 2.0 integration mandatory into every 720 game from day 1.
 
If MS spends more than 5 minutes on Kinect 2.0 they've lost in my book.

To be more fair, they can spend exactly as long on Kinect as Sony spent on that Media Molecule/Move thing.
 
Gears is still an Epic game. MS has no total control over third parties, but certainly can “influence” their games. Again with Kinect being a part of EVERY Xbox 720 that changes developers decision to fully use it and build games for and around it. Will every third party game do this? No, and I would never say that. Will the machine itself, how you interact with it and its apps and MS first party games be Kinect centric? Absolutely.

Lets put it this way, we have all seen the last few MS E3 presentations and their focus shift more and more to the Kinect experience. With Kinect 2.0 being developed side by side Durango, reserved resources for OS, Metro and push for total home integration and domination what do you expect? Backing off Kinect or keeping its staus quo?? Kinect IS the difference between Xbox and PS. MS knows this and are pushing it, and like i said not just games. MS may at some point say something like “We havent forgotten gamers” or “gamers are still our focus”. Its not. MS's plan from the inception of the original Xbox has been total living room control. Games was the trojan horse, 720 is them showing their complete hand. Everything will run through your 720 and be interfaced with Kinect. Cable TV, Uverse, App, Metro, Facetime style features, Web, Netflix and more. I keep having to repeat myself but if you keep thinking just games you are thinking way to small and missing their focus.

Could I be wrong, sure, I dont think so but yea I could be. Given all the evidence in front of us I think there has to be some cognitive dissonance going on to not see where MS is going with the 720. If its bad or good is not for me to say. My friend and his family loves all that stuff and are anticipating the 720 because they are expecting much more of it. Love it or hate it will be completely subjective.

I'm not saying the OS won't be built around using Kinect / SmartGlass. That's already happening now and I fully expect 100% integration next-gen. All I'm saying is you're crazy if you think you wont be using a controller for 95% of a game like Halo or Forza. Sure there could be quirky optional perk that utilizes Kinect but the core games will still be business as usual. And yes, I'm sure MS will have Kinect only titles as well. They probably have studios dedicated to pumping that shit out but, to me, that's irrelevant as long as the core games still mainly use a controller (which they will).
 
What would be a showcase for a whole new console?

I'm not really sure to be honest. I just don't feel a shooter that comes out every 2 years is what will have people running out to buy a new console, even if BF3 is awesome, if BF4 came out this fall on PC and later on next-gen consoles at launch, it wouldn't really make a difference.

Nothing Sony showed really felt like "This is only possible because of next-gen hardware", though some games looked cool.
 
If MS spends more than 5 minutes on Kinect 2.0 they've lost in my book.

To be more fair, they can spend exactly as long on Kinect as Sony spent on that Media Molecule/Move thing.

What if the Kinect stuff is actually good and begins to deliver on some of its early promises?
 
I'm paying for a good online infrastructure that also has the best exclusive console multiplayer games (gears & halo). I'd rather pay for a known quantity than some bullshit promises about game streaming.



No I understand Playstation Fans are desperately trying to endorse every piece of bullshit Sony announces in hopes that the brand will survive.

It's fine that your willing to pay for a service that everywhere else has for free. I don't see Microsoft changing their stance on Xbox Live. However, does Kinect being an integral part of the next Xbox worry you? It sounds like you will need to use the Kinect much, much more this time around. If Sony offers a more hardcore gaming experience than Microsoft this time, would you switch?
 
I guess I'm the only person on GAF who likes Kinect.

It's not perfect but for what it is I dig it and I'm excited to see where they go with it. My wife and son seem pumped as well so to each their own I suppose.
 
Just don't push any streaming bullshit. Gaiki sounds like one of the shittiest, scummest, most garbage intutives any gaming company has tried to push. Way worse than kinect.

No, just no. Kinect and basically all motion controls are garbage. Now, maybe when they become super refined and work well with say Rift, then perhaps I'd give them a chance. Gaikai is used for expedient demo and content usage is scummy again how? That you can stream a game to see if you like it and then purchase it instead of dl'n a whole demo? Plus I suspect it will artificially extend console life this time, and may end up after the 7-8 years of these new machines to be the "standard" for all gaming solutions.

Anyways, MS is going to bring it. Even "IF" they don't have the hardware to match Sony (which i'm sure they probably will after all this time if those leaked spec were a year or so old) they're in a position to learn what Sony did that got gamers excited again, and try to turn that up a notch.

E3 will be the real battleground. The "two worlds", the "wake island", the "desert glory" of battlegrounds.
 
I'm paying for a good online infrastructure that also has the best exclusive console multiplayer games (gears & halo). I'd rather pay for a known quantity than some bullshit promises about game streaming.



No I understand Playstation Fans are desperately trying to endorse every piece of bullshit Sony announces in hopes that the brand will survive.

And Microsoft fans continue to show that they are willing to pay to get nothing in return. I would love to see Microsoft increase the Live fee to $10 and then see fanboys trying to defend it.
 
What if the Kinect stuff is actually good and begins to deliver on some of its early promises?
Kinect offers nothing that I want, even if it works exactly as originally promised.
kinect is going to be a big part you're silly to think otherwise.
I'm sure it will be. I don't have to like it.
Illumiroom uses Kinect.
I can actually see the appeal of Illumiroom, but personally I wouldn't pay for it. It requires a Kinect and some kind of micro-projector? If it were the standard and new tvs had it built in, fine.
 
It's fine that your willing to pay for a service that everywhere else has for free. I don't see Microsoft changing their stance on Xbox Live. However, does Kinect being an integral part of the next Xbox worry you? It sounds like you will need to use the Kinect much, much more this time around. If Sony offers a more hardcore gaming experience than Microsoft this time, would you switch?

People here must be delusional. Sony's got a controller with a goddamn move sensor built into it. You people must be mad if you think Sony isn't going to be bundling a Playstation Eye with every console.

They will try to match MS on every feature they offer so that MS won't have a leg up on the competition.
 
Microsoft has too much focus on the broader audience. Sony was entirely focused on gaming for theirs.

MS has been a mess the last few years, between marketing and playing "follow the leader" with everything they do. Their focus on taking over the living room is what will likely lead to a rather lack luster showing. Too many services, too many ads, too much casual stuff. They'll bust out 2 or 3 game reveals and hope its enough to cater to the gaming crowd, but overall I don't expect much.
 
Lot of folks have low expectations for MS. I think that goes in their favor. I am sure MS will have some core IPs to show.
Hopefully built from the ground up for Kinect 2.0. The immersion and value that Kinect 2.0 will bring to gaming will be unmatched.
 
And Microsoft fans continue to show that they are willing to pay to get nothing in return. I would love to see Microsoft increase the Live fee to $10 and then see fanboys trying to defend it.

Gamers in the know... aka people posting on GAF never paid any more for Live. The price increase only affected casual uninformed customers.
 
They could open with Kinect?

Take a hammer to the old Kinect at the beginning, show actual games and do the presentations, then reveal the new Kinect at the end?

And Microsoft fans continue to show that they are willing to pay to get nothing in return. I would love to see Microsoft increase the Live fee to $10 and then see fanboys trying to defend it.
If you know where to look, you can easily get a year for $45 or less. Heck, Hyrb/Nelson tweets about the deals all the time.
 
I guess I'm the only person on GAF who likes Kinect.

It's not perfect but for what it is I dig it and I'm excited to see where they go with it. My wife and son seem pumped as well so to each their own I suppose.

I liked it as well.
 
Gamers in the know... aka people posting on GAF never paid any more for Live. The price increase only affected casual uninformed customers.

Or the lazy ones. My friend just has it on auto renew, he says he means to cancel it but never seems to. All MS needs is a few million lazy and uninformed and they made tens of millions of added revenue.
 
People here must be delusional. Sony's got a controller with a goddamn move sensor built into it. You people must be mad if you think Sony isn't going to be bundling a Playstation Eye with every console.

They will try to match MS on every feature they offer so that MS won't have a leg up on the competition.

One major difference with Kinect and the built in Move in the Sony Controller, I can still use the controller at the same time. That makes a world of difference. Microsoft just might do the same thing, build something into the controller to make it work more seamlessly with the Kinect, which would be very smart of them to do. The Kinect by itself, with just your hands is pretty much useless for any hardcore games. I can speculate all I want, but April 26th is not so far away, and E3 is gonna be a blood bath. Good times coming.
 
People here must be delusional. Sony's got a controller with a goddamn move sensor built into it. You people must be mad if you think Sony isn't going to be bundling a Playstation Eye with every console.

They will try to match MS on every feature they offer so that MS won't have a leg up on the competition.

I thought move wasn't built into the controller?
 
definitely new thread material:

Ian Livingstone talks next-gen; hints at always-on, used game-blocking Xbox
“So they’ve gone halfway,” he added, giving the example of Microsoft’s supposed next-gen approach, “With the next Xbox, you supposedly have to have an internet connection, and the discs are watermarked, whereby once played on one console it won’t play on another. So I think the generation after that will be digital-only.”

i expect some credit :)
 
Microsoft has too much focus on the broader audience. Sony was entirely focused on gaming for theirs.

MS has been a mess the last few years, between marketing and playing "follow the leader" with everything they do. Their focus on taking over the living room is what will likely lead to a rather lack luster showing. Too many services, too many ads, too much casual stuff. They'll bust out 2 or 3 game reveals and hope its enough to cater to the gaming crowd, but overall I don't expect much.

Rebuttal:

1. "playing "follow the leader" with everything do" - Microsoft blazed trails in the area of console online gaming and the kinect camera while supporting a number of AAA first party games. In relation Sony copied the Wii mote almost exactly and now looks to try and do the same with their own Kinect camera.

2. "Microsoft has to much focus on the broader audience" - So, by your point, Microsoft willingness to cater to all types of audiences with their entertainment and their games that appeal to all types of gamers makes their system less of a gaming machine?

3. "too many services, too many ads - This one baffles me. A company provides its customer with more service and the customer throws a fit. You need to stop looking at this situation as a balancing act. The addition of more services does not mean the subtraction of another (i.e. gaming). Also, stop complaining about the ads. The ads help sales of XBLA games and helps smaller developers (i.e. Trials, Dust, Minecraft, etc.) They do not hurt you in any way.

4. "They'll bust out 2 or 3 game reveals" - A lot like the Sony Conference?
 
One major difference with Kinect and the built in Move in the Sony Controller, I can still use the controller at the same time. That makes a world of difference. Microsoft just might do the same thing, build something into the controller to make it work more seamlessly with the Kinect, which would be very smart of them to do. The Kinect by itself, with just your hands is pretty much useless for any hardcore games. I can speculate all I want, but April 26th is not so far away, and E3 is gonna be a blood bath. Good times coming.

The way I see it is that the Playstation Eye and Kinect will be used in exactly the same fashion for every third-party game. Basically stuff like voice commands. The difference in how these two will be used differently will only be apparent in exclusive games.

So I really find it laughable that people are trying to show that the PS4 is a gamers console when it's really not. They've just bought into the bullshit marketing that Sony's putting out there.

Who the hell do you think was watching Sony's live conference? It was probably a bunch of hardcore gamers. Of course Sony is going to pander to them when they know those are the people watching the show.
 
I'm not saying the OS won't be built around using Kinect / SmartGlass. That's already happening now and I fully expect 100% integration next-gen. All I'm saying is you're crazy if you think you wont be using a controller for 95% of a game like Halo or Forza. Sure there could be quirky optional perk that utilizes Kinect but the core games will still be business as usual. And yes, I'm sure MS will have Kinect only titles as well. They probably have studios dedicated to pumping that shit out but, to me, that's irrelevant as long as the core games still mainly use a controller (which they will).

You keep using only a couple games as examples which already have Kinect features now. I foresee a wii like approach with games, you had the pro controller. For Forza, at least the first version, they will give you a controller option but they will push a fully realized and functioning human movement version with the head turning, hands in steering wheel position and feet mimicking pedals. These new MS IPs being talked about? 3/4 Kinect games. If you still have a Kinectified Halo you can still play with a controller that leaves everything else you do with the console Kinect centric. MS knows this and most gamers and their families use their system for more than games. This is the point im making with the Kinect focus. What truly will seperate PS4 from 720 is the focus and with Kinect being the focus.

Love it or hate it is up to the person but with the feathers being ruffled at the thought of it i think some people need to deal with it or face a huge meltdown. I personally dont care for the focus of Kinect or motion controls, but I also dont like FPS so Gears and Halo give me no incentive. Im not going to blindly hate on Kinect though, there is no denying MS really stumbled onto something with it that potentially may work out better than the WiiMote. You cant blame them for focusing on it and expanding on it but at least recognize what they are doing and what their intentions and focus are on.
 
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