Tripp Daily
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I think it's going to be a publishers decision, and I don't think publishers are going to jump at it right away like everyone thinks they will.
Microsoft Conference: Will they Bring It Like Sony Did?
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I think it's going to be a publishers decision, and I don't think publishers are going to jump at it right away like everyone thinks they will.
Glorified G
Member
definitely new thread material:
Ian Livingstone talks next-gen; hints at always-on, used game-blocking Xbox
i expect some credit
I take back what I said previously. No game will be able to overcome this bullshit.
I could see it as something they may have planned to do until Sony did not follow suite. My reaction would be the same if they actually do go through with it though...
I agree with pretty much of that, except Sony's been doing camera stuff longer than Microsoft.
I have trouble believing that they developed that on the assumption that Sony would be blocking used games as well.
Alx
Member
It's not exactly built into it, but the pad is meant to be tracked by the camera, and still has its inertial sensors. It's not a Move only because it may be harder to localize, and it's not meant to be used one-handed.
Anyway I think the point was that since the standard controller is built to be tracked by a camera, the camera will be expected to be included with the console.
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Maybe, the only way I can see MS getting away with locking out used games is if publishers support it, as in refusing to release their games on consoles that don't block used sales. If MS could turn a huge multiplat exclusive by giving this handout to developers it could work. COD fans wouldn't just give up COD because they can't buy it used. I doubt anything like that would happen, just the only way I see blocking used sales being viable.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Last time I updated about 6 months ago it was $30 and used a link from a GAF thread. Average price is $35 though.
Tripp Daily
Member
After seeing Sony's conference, and how many IPs they seem to be willing to transfer over to the next generation, I'm actually pretty excited with where Microsoft is going into the new console. We know that a lot of their first party studios are working on new IPs and the only IP that has been worn out (so to speak) that I could see making the transition to the new Xbox is Halo (which I don't believe will be at launch and which I still think is good and as reliable as any game). All this leads me to believe that Microsoft's conference might actually have a lot of new ideas.
I would argue that what Sony has tried to accomplish with the Playstation Eye and what it seems Microsoft is trying to accomplish with the Kinect are quite a bit different. And the differences in the hardware of the two cameras is vastly different.
I would argue that what Sony has tried to accomplish with the Playstation Eye and what it seems Microsoft is trying to accomplish with the Kinect are quite a bit different. And the differences in the hardware of the two cameras is vastly different.
Xenon
Member
Considering what Sony gave us in TWO hours, I'd say they have a bit more time than that.
frontieruk
Member
You know used game blocking won't be talked about in the conference it'll come out later, so there's still a chance that the PS4 has a similar system as there have been rumours about both platforms, the xbox is definately in the can't see the fire for the smoke area...
if M$ blocks used games, then they will fail miserably
OldJadedGamer
Banned
They will both hide the bad stuff for a while. Look how long it took Sony to come clean about the Vita memory cards and Nintendo with their account systems.
Visualante2
Member
Is this new? Seems like a dead cert to me that Microsoft will announce partnership with Twitch for XBOX streaming and that's why Sony was forced to go with UStream (which is stronger in Japan anyway to my understanding). Just seems way too convenient, I've never seen this channel before.
Is this new? Seems like a dead cert to me that Microsoft will announce partnership with Twitch for XBOX streaming and that's why Sony was forced to go with UStream (which is stronger in Japan anyway to my understanding). Just seems way too convenient, I've never seen this channel before.
That channel is old. Like a year old.
Criminal Upper
Banned
What did Sony bring again? Another Killzone and another Infamous? And Diablo 3? I guess?
It wasn't a super impressive showing, and it'll be easy to top. E3 is where it really matters, because that might have actual exciting game announcements.
It wasn't a super impressive showing, and it'll be easy to top. E3 is where it really matters, because that might have actual exciting game announcements.
Is this new? Seems like a dead cert to me that Microsoft will announce partnership with Twitch for XBOX streaming and that's why Sony was forced to go with UStream (which is stronger in Japan anyway to my understanding). Just seems way too convenient, I've never seen this channel before.
Didn't Sony also stream their PS4 announcement through Twitch.tv though?
Visualante2
Member
I thought it was through http://www.ustream.tv/PlayStation, maybe that was GameSpot's?
e. Oh http://www.twitch.tv/playstation both bases covered. Still seems pretty cosey to me.
Lets see if MS conference impresses me.
Sony definitely did
-8GB GDDR5
-Easy to submit PSN games for Indies
-Start a digital game or demo as soon as it starts downloading
-Multi tasking
-Upload videos
-Livestream videos
-Expanded player profile page
-Vita remote play
-Mobile app where you can message, watch shared videos, browse and remote download on PSN store from your phone
Lets see how MS top that. I expect MS to match all those except the sharing features and more powerful hardware. MS also will focus of Minect and media centre features which I don't give 2 shits about. As long as I have access to Netflix and tv catch up services that's all the media features I need. Also I don't care to control my media with Kinect I actually prefer pressing a button to start a movie than waving my hand about, the only OS feature I'd like for easier media use is multitasking and standby which PS4 has.
Sony definitely did
-8GB GDDR5
-Easy to submit PSN games for Indies
-Start a digital game or demo as soon as it starts downloading
-Multi tasking
-Upload videos
-Livestream videos
-Expanded player profile page
-Vita remote play
-Mobile app where you can message, watch shared videos, browse and remote download on PSN store from your phone
Lets see how MS top that. I expect MS to match all those except the sharing features and more powerful hardware. MS also will focus of Minect and media centre features which I don't give 2 shits about. As long as I have access to Netflix and tv catch up services that's all the media features I need. Also I don't care to control my media with Kinect I actually prefer pressing a button to start a movie than waving my hand about, the only OS feature I'd like for easier media use is multitasking and standby which PS4 has.
I think its a virtual certainty that neogaf will hate the ms conference but that really isn't ms's primary goal anymore. It's to win the living room and ensure the likes of amazon or apple do not get there first.
It was very telling how little mainstream press picked up on the ps4 reveal. Outside the gaming/tech press you saw very little and that is something I don't think you will see repeated when the xbox gets announced. I think you will see stories everywhere when they go because of the part that gamers hate (all the new services they will be bringing).
It was very telling how little mainstream press picked up on the ps4 reveal. Outside the gaming/tech press you saw very little and that is something I don't think you will see repeated when the xbox gets announced. I think you will see stories everywhere when they go because of the part that gamers hate (all the new services they will be bringing).
frontieruk
Member
What if Sony does the same?
That's my point, it just seems everyone's down on MS when Sony could potentially implement a similar system, it's just to early to talk about it as it dampens the hype as these leaks are over MS.
Right, so I wouldn't read much in to that. Let alone we don't even know if MS is going to do some kind of big streaming thing. As far as I know, they don't have the infrastructure or partnerships to pull off streaming on this kind of level, unless they are internally developing it and keeping it under super wraps. The only cloud stuff they have is Azure, which is cloud computing (E: and cloud storage), a big difference than game and video streaming.
I predict the things Sony will fail on is streaming backwards compatibility and charging for online.
Uno Venova
Banned
It's a possibility, but there's no rumors that they would do it like there is for Microsoft.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
It's amazing to me how people just disregard what Kinect offers, just the novelty of having it as the default UI is likely to excite the mainstream, and it is still pretty cool even if you never use it for games.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
I seriously have zero excitement at all for the streaming video and don't care about that feature on any system in the least. Maybe I'm too old.
Baconsammy
Banned
That was certainly true of $team.
You're too old. And jaded. It's not something I'll personally do, but I'll watch other people's streams.
OldJadedGamer
Member
Too easy
I think the most exciting part of the streaming is the trying games before you buy and starting games immediately (whether it's throught streaming or downloading a small bit and then downloading the rest).
The Incarnation
Member
The only way I'd be onboard with the used game thing is if every game released had a demo.
Been far too many freaky reviews this gen.
Been far too many freaky reviews this gen.
frontieruk
Member
so why did they patent tech to achieve such a thing? http://www.techdigest.tv/2013/01/sony_to_block_p.html
tech can be researched and not used, or can be researched and used, the PS4 rumours after this was quashed from a Michael Pachter interview with Jack Tretton, but I'd imagine if Sony's partners want it it will happen, I'm guessing they expect the bulk of early adopters to be more DD so there wouldn't actually be a used game to trade...
but we're derailing the thread I'm sure this has been talked about else where on GAF
Sony going first may have seemed like a smart move but in reality it just seemed that way because we were so desperate for any official stuff. MS have the opportunity now to cherry pick from their new features to overshadow what Sony did, highlight any short comings they can come up with from what Sony announced, and leave out anything that might be considered controversial like used game blocking.
If they don't go into E3 with everyone convinced they have the best system they've fucked up.
If they don't go into E3 with everyone convinced they have the best system they've fucked up.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I don't think it's possible to have less games than the Sony announce.
Surprised then that Sony didn't already lose you last E3.
Spot-on Trip,
The moral of the story is if Microsoft is clearly doing anything that is clearly successful, even when other consoles have used the same approach for years, it will be demonized for that reason alone.
You can watch the double standard ooze from this thread alone.
But, that's when you know MS is doing exactly what they should.
The numbers dont lie, MS simply needs to improve and innovate in the areas that have made the 360 extremely successful in the regions where they have the biggest impact.
You can't name one game that has been shown on a Sony stage all the way through that has effected the success of any of Microsofts biggest core franchises.
Kinect was hated on from the day it was announced, but no matter what Sony or Nintendo has done in the last 2 years, it hasn't deterred what it meant to the success of the 360 hardware and software wise since its release.
Xbox Live hasn't been free for an entire gen, but it hasn't stopped Live from being one of the biggest reasons MS has had the impact it has from hardware to software sales.
MS is wise to sure up 3rd party partnerships as that MS E3 stage garners way more attention for games worldwide than some of the individual companies that dont get as much press.
What we saw is Sony's last two conferences commit the cardinal sins that Sony's fans have still to this day bagged on MS for. Which if you simply reread the this entire thread as a sample shows that It had nothing to do with the conference and everything to do with the preference.
Sony's fans are happy with what was shown so far, and now MS simply needs to show its true fans that spend hours and hours a day on Xbox Live why they need to upgrade to next gen.
Uno Venova
Banned
They said that patent has nothing to do with the PS4 in a eurogamer interview.
What the fuck? Nobody expected the Playstation Meeting to come with a ton of game announcements. Maybe one or two, or a tech-demo was the general consensus.
What Sony actually showed in terms of games was pretty much above and beyond expectations.
For non-delusional people, that is.
Baconsammy
Banned
Has Sony really lowered expectations of its fans this much over the past 8 years?
NemesisPrime
Banned
You have very low expectations it seems?
Sony just cobbled together something... most of it was air and ideas on paper.
Uno Venova
Banned
Not just, him, that was the general consensus in the meetup thread. Is there a precedent in past console reveals showing we should have expected much more?
OldJadedGamer
Member
Too easy
I think the most exciting part of the streaming is the trying games before you buy and starting games immediately (whether it's throught streaming or downloading a small bit and then downloading the rest).
Yup too easy
We have been trying before we buy with game demos since last gen. Thr rumor about the background downloading was a Durango rumor before Sony announced it on their stage as well.
Both have cloud, and even Gaikai said none of this stuff will be available at launch and it will be coming down Thr line in bits and pieces until eventually they can fulfill what they are envisioning.
People say BC isn't important, but had the PS4 been completely BC comparable would Sony bave spent the same money on the company?
VillainTricks
Neo Member
And the core gamer dies a little bit more inside.
There's always PS4.
haha what
Arrogant Menace
Banned
a console that's only 9 months away versus the usual 2 year reveal? yes we should have gotten more; in retrospect we basically we got one demo and 2 trailers.
That escalated quickly.
I was personally expecting a hardware reveal so they could focus on games at E3. This seemed like the most logical outcome of the event. If they can get the initial announcement out of the way, and some hardware and software features, then the bulk of gaming announcements can happen at E3.
If by the time it came out, there were no game reveals, you could make that claim, but at this time, it's simply the logical and realistic expectation.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yep, PS4 doesn't have a camera solution of it's own.....wait a minute.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
True, MS had a year head start, easier architecture and tools, cross-game chat, achievements and a $200 price advantage. They will be competing on a more level playing field this gen.