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[Raven77]

God I hate this.


Look, nobody is saying that them focusing on ALL gamers is a bad thing but you have to understand that the reason people get mad is best described through this anal-ogy I came up with.


Lets say you have a movie studio you love. They release 5 horror / action movies a year, every year and you mostly enjoy them all.

Well now they want to broaden their audience so they do 3 horror / action, 1 kids, and 1 for teen girls.


That is essentially what happens here. MS pushes funding and resources to make stuff that the hardcore gamer doesn't care about.

But hey, that's fine, the people they are making that stuff for deserves to have games made in their taste as well. That being said, its also a tough pill to swallow when you've supported the Xbox brand since day 1, bought many many games (which as a collective builds the brand for MS) and then they turn and start using their resources for stuff that you hate.

 

[Arrogant Menace]

True, MS had a year head start, easier architecture and tools, cross-game chat, achievements and a $200 price advantage. They will be competing on a more level playing field this gen.

and MS was coming off a flop(25 million units sold) as well as a RROD disaster. sony coming out second is just an excuse.

 

[Uno Venova]

a console that's only 9 months away versus the usual 2 year reveal? yes we should have gotten more; in retrospect we basically we got one demo and 2 trailers.

*shrug* I didn't expect a blowout, and neither did anyone else really, I would have liked to see the new IP from GG, but I was satisfied for the most part.

 

[DEADEVIL]

I was personally expecting a hardware reveal so they could focus on games at E3. This seemed like the most logical outcome of the event. If they can get the initial announcement out of the way, and some hardware and software features, then the bulk of gaming announcements can happen at E3.

If by the time it came out, there were no game reveals, you could make that claim, but at this time, it's simply the logical and realistic expectation.

If you really want to believe that the masses on GAF believed that there was simply goin to be a hardware reveal and games at E3 then you need to search for the Playstatio Meeting thread kick back with a cold one and read from page one all the way to the conference and see that you were alone in your beliefs.

People thought it was E3 in the winter. Then those fake google ads that would pop up on GAF with no link with quotes like 'Yoga is not a game' and 'Gamers Unite' had us all on the edge of our seats waiting for the equivalent of the megaton games after megaton game.

It was 3/4s into the conference where I said that there has got to be some ridicously amazing reveal at the end. I was blown away that it ended the way it did.

But it's its in the books and at the end of the day, Sony used the time to reveal what they chose to reveal.

In my opinion, it was an opportunity wasted. I just believe that they left that same opportunity to MS to take advantage of, with in needing to go BIG until E3.

 

[Karak]

a console that's only 9 months away versus the usual 2 year reveal? yes we should have gotten more; in retrospect we basically we got one demo and 2 trailers.

Ya just doing some searches both here and in other game forums god damned people were expecting tons of games. Many even made lists. It was at the very least expected by a lot of people that posted and watched. It makes sense at 9 months for sure but I didn't expect as much to be announced as so many others did. Leaves a good deal of breathing room for the future though.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

a console that's only 9 months away versus the usual 2 year reveal? yes we should have gotten more; in retrospect we basically we got one demo and 2 trailers.

9 months on paper. Remember, the PS3 was supposed to release in Spring 2006 but wasn't launched worldwide until Spring 2007. Time will tell.

 

[Baconsammy]

Ya just doing some searches both here and in other game forums god damned people were expecting tons of games. Many even made lists. It was at the very least expected by many that posted and watched. It makes sense at 9 months for sure but I didn't expect as much to be announced as so many others did.

They were expecting the console too. Some nice mockups in the thread of what some people wanted it to look like.

 

[Tripp Daily]

True, MS had a year head start, easier architecture and tools, cross-game chat, achievements and a $200 price advantage. They will be competing on a more level playing field this gen.

I don't think I would consider it that level. If rumors are to be believed then Microsoft will still have an advantage in the price category. Also, if Microsoft innovates on the existing Xbox Live they could potentially hold that gap between online services. The architecture and the year head start are more level, but any advantage the help the tools provide for each system have yet to be seen.

A lot can still go wrong for both companies. While listening to Rebel FM today they brought up an interesting point that I hadn't thought of which is that Sony could be supply constrained when it comes to using GDDR5 ran (with Nvidia and AMD both competing for that RAM in their graphic cards).

With a potentially expensive box and supply constraints, Sony could have some rough waters they have to navigate with the release of the PS4.

 

[Biggzy]

True, MS had a year head start, easier architecture and tools, cross-game chat, achievements and a $200 price advantage. They will be competing on a more level playing field this gen.

They also had an overheating console, and I can't emphasis how much this seeped into the mainstream press here in the UK. But you are right, I don't think Sony can fuck up their launch quite as bad as the PS3.

 

[noobasuar]

Microsoft also has two big IP's that can get pretty annual releases in Gears & Halo.

yeah both of those games are probably in decline but it still should provide an edge for Microsoft over Sony.

Sony just does not have any IP's that people feel all that strongly for other than Gran Turismo.

 

[majian]

Phantom Dust 2? Killer Instinct 3?

Nobody is going to waste time with ultra niche games like that anymore, and certainly not at the front end of a new console generation. You guys are better off buying and playing the originals.

I hear what you are saying but anything on Kinect is pretty much "niche" and they look to be pushing that very early gen.

 

[Raven77]

Microsoft also has two big IP's that can get pretty annual releases in Gears & Halo.

yeah both of those games are probably in decline but it still should provide an edge for Microsoft over Sony.

Sony just does not have any IP's that people feel all that strongly for other than Gran Turismo.

There is so much "wrong" in that comment idk where to even begin...

Forza Horizon sold well well below expectations so to say that game gives them any big advantage at all is just flat out incorrect if you look at it from a sales perspective.

Gears is also in decline, look at the lack of hype of this new one, whatever its called.


Halo was made by Bungie, we'll see how well the series can hold up without their guidance.

And about the Sony IP's, really? Only Gran Turismo?

...okay, not sure what planet you live on but it isn't Earth.

 

[Tripp Daily]

Microsoft also has two big IP's that can get pretty annual releases in Gears & Halo.

yeah both of those games are probably in decline but it still should provide an edge for Microsoft over Sony.

Sony just does not have any IP's that people feel all that strongly for other than Gran Turismo.

I don't think that Gears will make the jump to next gen early on. I think they will let it rest for a while after judgement. That's just a feeling though.

 

[ari]

People here must be delusional. Sony's got a controller with a goddamn move sensor built into it. You people must be mad if you think Sony isn't going to be bundling a Playstation Eye with every console.

They will try to match MS on every feature they offer so that MS won't have a leg up on the competition.

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

Are you serious?

 

[Hoo-doo]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

Illumiroom?
You mean that research project with the living room filled with beamers and shit, right? How do you imagine that coming to a retail market?

 

[AZ Greg]

Are you serious?

He is, sadly.

 

[Biggzy]

Illumiroom?
You mean that research project with the living room filled with beamers and shit, right? How do you imagine that coming to a retail market?

I think he is just using it as an example.

 

[Baconsammy]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

If this happens, allow me to pre-review their conference without ever having seen it ala Derrick and Tomb Raider - it sucks.

 

[Drek]

Microsoft also has two big IP's that can get pretty annual releases in Gears & Halo.

yeah both of those games are probably in decline but it still should provide an edge for Microsoft over Sony.

Sony just does not have any IP's that people feel all that strongly for other than Gran Turismo.

Epic owns Gears, not MS.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I think he is just using it as an example.

An example of what exactly? There's not that many ways to read "and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom".

 

[ari]

I think he is just using it as an example.

I am using it as an example. As usual the shells come out the woodwork.

 

[Uno Venova]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

Holy shit.

 

[BlastProcessing]

If you really want to believe that the masses on GAF believed that there was simply goin to be a hardware reveal and games at E3 then you need to search for the Playstatio Meeting thread kick back with a cold one and read from page one all the way to the conference and see that you were alone in your beliefs.

People thought it was E3 in the winter. Then those fake google ads that would pop up on GAF with no link with quotes like 'Yoga is not a game' and 'Gamers Unite' had us all on the edge of our seats waiting for the equivalent of the megaton games after megaton game.

It was 3/4s into the conference where I said that there has got to be some ridicously amazing reveal at the end. I was blown away that it ended the way it did.

But it's its in the books and at the end of the day, Sony used the time to reveal what they chose to reveal.

In my opinion, it was an opportunity wasted. I just believe that they left that same opportunity to MS to take advantage of, with in needing to go BIG until E3.

The fact that the ad they ran during the Champions League where in a similar format legitimizes the Google Ads in my opinion. Either that or an amazing coincidence, don't you think?

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

I have wondered this for a while. How does Kinect work with illumiroom? Illumiroom works by understanding the uneven topography of your living room and mapping a projected image on it right? Well the Kinect is under your TV facing the wrong way to do that. Do you set your on your couch and calibrate?

And what about light control? I have a projector and daytime viewing is washed out even on my reflective screen. How will that work on a wall? Illumiroom seems to reach a new level of impracticability beyond the Kinect's "move your coffee table" I game on a PC monitor or a projector so both are impossible set ups for me.

 

[Conor 419]

Has Sony really lowered expectations of its fans this much over the past 8 years?

No, they've still got E3, the biggest gaming event of the year. If Sony are holding back another 3-4 games it's easy to see that the Xbox is going to look incredibly weak in comparison 1st party wise.

 

[Baconsammy]

No, they've still got E3, the biggest gaming event of the year. If Sony are holding back another 3-4 games it's easy to see that the Xbox is going to look incredibly weak in comparison 1st party wise.

Naughty Dog, and Sony Santa Monica better be at E3. I don't see any way they aren't.

 

[Biggzy]

An example of what exactly? There's not that many ways to read "and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom".

Well it is kind of obvious that illuminroom won't be coming anytime soon because if it was they wouldn't have showed it last month.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I am using it as an example. As usual the shells come out the woodwork.

Of what? No seriously. I see the term illumiroom come up often, and i'd like to see how you imagine it releasing as a product or a service.

 

[Kaako]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

Bwahahaha this was a joy to read. God damn this E3 will be a sight to behold if posts like this are any indication.

 

[ari]

It was an example of something mindblowing or something crazy like that being shown. Meh. Some people got it i guess.

 

[noobasuar]

There is so much "wrong" in that comment idk where to even begin...

Forza Horizon sold well well below expectations so to say that game gives them any big advantage at all is just flat out incorrect if you look at it from a sales perspective.

Learn how to read, I never mentioned Forza.

And yeah I think Sony's studios aren't all that talented. Yes they can most of the time put out a good polished game but I'm more interested in games that are truly great and a blast to play at every moment of gameplay.

 

[DEADEVIL]

God I hate this.


Look, nobody is saying that them focusing on ALL gamers is a bad thing but you have to understand that the reason people get mad is best described through this anal-ogy I came up with.


Lets say you have a movie studio you love. They release 5 horror / action movies a year, every year and you mostly enjoy them all.

Well now they want to broaden their audience so they do 3 horror / action, 1 kids, and 1 for teen girls.


That is essentially what happens here. MS pushes funding and resources to make stuff that the hardcore gamer doesn't care about.

But hey, that's fine, the people they are making that stuff for deserves to have games made in their taste as well. That being said, its also a tough pill to swallow when you've supported the Xbox brand since day 1, bought many many games (which as a collective builds the brand for MS) and then they turn and start using their resources for stuff that you hate.

Horrible analogy when MS has always tried to include family games since the original Xbox up through now with varying success and unlike the movie industry the console space only 3 major competitors and those 3 are all trying to compete for both core and casual alike.

It's simply a double standard to claim MS shouldnt try t expand their fan base when Sony literally went motion control only months before Microsoft did.

The best part is even though no one wants to admit it, Kinects success with certain games influenced Sony to try to emulate those same exact games.

It would be one thing if MS fell flat on their face, but instead they broke records and sold 24 million Kinects in 2 years with some of their games completely eclipsing the sales of hardcore games with a larger install base.

Yup it was a great move even if a relatively minuscule few can't swallow that pull you are talking about.

 

[Raven77]

Bottom line:

Kinect is a gimmick.



If Kinect 2 appears to be another gimmick, then I will choose Sony over MS. Sony never tried to push move into the traditional gaming space the way MS does. "BETTER WITH KINECT" across every damn game box. Hokey features like "VOICE CONTROL OMG!!!" yeah I used to be able to do that with my headset that...you know...came with the system for free.



IF they can actually do something revolutionary with it, then i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. Also the analogy is not horrible at all, to me it perfectly embodies what people are feeling. Sure you can say "just dont use the feature, just don't buy that game" well thats great, but if that shit Karaoke title wasn't getting released, maybe a bad ass third person adventure game would instead. Its all about diverting the resources to stuff traditional game lovers don't want.

 

[ari]

Bottom line:

Kinect is a gimmick.



If Kinect 2 appears to be another gimmick, then I will choose Sony over MS.



IF they can actually do something revolutionary with it, then i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens.

sony have move technology in the DS4 and the ps4 will ship with cameras, on top of that, ps3 games isnt compatible so sony will have to build around it.

Lolololi

 

[AwayFromInfinityx]

I have a feeling they will surprise us.
I just hope they announce a few new games *Prays for new IPs*

I could care less about all that other media crap and kinect.

 

[DEADEVIL]

The fact that the ad they ran during the Champions League where in a similar format legitimizes the Google Ads in my opinion. Either that or an amazing coincidence, don't you think?

'Yoga is not a game' ran during the Champions League?

 

[Uno Venova]

sony have move technology in the DS4 and the ps4 will ship with cameras. Lolololi

There's no move tech in the DS4. Maybe I shouldn't bother after that earlier post.

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

70% dedicated to Kinect?

We'll see.

 

[Raven77]

sony have move technology in the DS4 and the ps4 will ship with cameras, on top of that, ps3 games isnt compatible so sony eill have to build around it.

Lolololi

Not sure whats so hilarious. Its more of a matter of them trying to force it into traditional games which Sony gave no indication of whatsoever. Lol?

 

[yurinka]

My bets:

They'll also show horsepower, cloud gaming, social features, 3D camera, 2nd screen stuff and non-gaming apps. And not because they copy nothing, because they already were working on it since long ago.

I think they will choose the way of unrealistic CGI to give the impression they don't have less powerful hardware, and unrealistic concept videos of people having fun with features that never will exist (see Kinect, Wii, PS3 reveals as reference).

Won't talk about 2nd hand, always online or paid multiplayer.

Games to be shown : Call of Duty (exclusive DLC), new PGR, Forza, Fable, FIFA, Battlefield (exclusive DLC), new Gears of War, Metal Gear Ground Zeroes (first next gen footage), will close with a Halo 5 teaser.

 

[ari]

Not sure whats so hilarious. Its more of a matter of them trying to force it into traditional games which Sony gave no indication of whatsoever. Lol?

judging by ps3's output it will. Killzone three had a shitty move gun attachment and a shit ton of games like heavy rain re-released for a move edition.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

No way it wont, judging by ps3's output it will. Killzone three had a shitty move gun attachment.

Some intelligent discussion going on in here.

 

[statham]

sony have move technology in the DS4 and the ps4 will ship with cameras, on top of that, ps3 games isnt compatible so sony will have to build around it.

Lolololi

they like to ignore that.

 

[Biggzy]

Not sure whats so hilarious. Its more of a matter of them trying to force it into traditional games which Sony gave no indication of whatsoever. Lol?

I was a bit disappointing with this actually. I thought they could have cut David Cage's old man piece and dedicated 5 mins on the application of this in games.

 

[JHall]

I want Mech Aasualt 3.

 

[ari]

they like to ignore that.

Why though? Why shit on MS when move is also sony's focus? 20 minutes of Wonderbook at last years e3 which was worst than that starwars kinect debacle? That molecule game demo? Come on with this shit.

 

[Alx]

There's no move tech in the DS4. Maybe I shouldn't bother after that earlier post.

Technically the DS4 includes all components of the Move wand, except for the magnetic field sensor, and the fact that it uses a different colored shape. It seems very likely that it was conceived to be compatible with Move controls. According to the rumors they just didn't manage to make it work with sufficient accuracy.

 

[Baconsammy]

Bottom line:

Kinect is a gimmick.



If Kinect 2 appears to be another gimmick, then I will choose Sony over MS.

Yes, because Sony is short on gimmicks. Move and a new Kinect-inspired camera system say 'Hi'. You need to find fewer hypocritical reasons to choose Sony over Microsoft.

There's no move tech in the DS4. Maybe I shouldn't bother after that earlier post.

Completely incorrect. The light on the DS isn't there just for looks.

 

[DEADEVIL]

Bottom line:

Kinect is a gimmick.



If Kinect 2 appears to be another gimmick, then I will choose Sony over MS. Sony never tried to push move into the traditional gaming space the way MS does. "BETTER WITH KINECT" across every damn game box. Hokey features like "VOICE CONTROL OMG!!!" yeah I used to be able to do that with my headset that...you know...came with the system for free.



IF they can actually do something revolutionary with it, then i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens. Also the analogy is not horrible at all, to me it perfectly embodies what people are feeling. Sure you can say "just dont use the feature, just don't buy that game" well thats great, but if that shit Karaoke title wasn't getting released, maybe a bad ass third person adventure game would instead. Its all about diverting the resources to stuff traditional game lovers don't want.

Wait Reggie what Karoake game? The one that was on Nintendo's E3 stage last year?

Name one console that doesn't have a Karaoke game?

Name on console that doesn't have an exercise game, a Dance game, etc.

I know which consoles didn't have Wonderbook on stage, but it doesn't mean MS didn't put out a Sesame Street game.

I know which console put Kinectimals on that E3 stage, which is why it's success prompted Sony to make Eyepet and friends.

Again bad analogy, they all are doing it. You don't own the device and they somehow squeezed out 24 million Kinects sold. Feel free not to buy the next one either.

 

[abadguy]

Why though? Why shit on MS when move is also sony's focus? Wonderbook? That molecule game demo? Come on with this shit.

Because they like Sony?

Yeah like Kinect aka Natal with Milo turned out to be this revolutionary way to play. You really think its Sony bots not feeding into the Kinect craze of ppl who have minds and see how garbage Kinect turned out to be and a waste. Kinect is part of the reason that hardcore gamers are shunning Xbox. Too much focus on Kinect is not good for us in anyway it just produces more shovelware.

Actually as games like Guntringer, and Child of Eden as well as a crap load of Kinect hacks that have been posted n Youtube over the years, the idea itself isn't garbage at all when properly utilized. It's pretty much up to devs to have the imagination and ingenuity to do something cool with it.( this applies to all the Wii and Move remotes as well as Wii U controllers Smartglass, etc) Maybe MS should have hired the guys behind the Youtube Kinect hack videos to make games for them. The shovelware comes from devs who make shovel ware, every console has it. There was shovel ware made before Kinect was even released.