WrenchNinja
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Scrambling?
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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Nah, it's too polite.
NemesisPrime
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Ofc the winning console wants to stretch as long as possible and the losing wants a new start. Can you blame them?
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Lol..Nintendo is no longer in a position to force anything on Sony & MS, Nintendo is Nintendo, Sony & MS are content to let them play in their own little (and getting smaller) world.
Ol No Bones
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One thing Microsoft exclusives games don't have is a lack of quality for the most part. The timeframe might be behind but they tend to release quality games.
BloodMoney
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hmmmmmmmm.
Microsoft intends to moneyhat their way into the next gen......
too bad 3rd parties now see more value in cross platform.
Microsoft intends to moneyhat their way into the next gen......
too bad 3rd parties now see more value in cross platform.
Tripp Daily
Member
This contradicts what Phil Spencer said on twitter about not having enough time between the two events to discuss all of the content.
I realize that he isn't going to say "we have nothing to show", but I think that would lead to silence not gloating.
I realize that he isn't going to say "we have nothing to show", but I think that would lead to silence not gloating.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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The glaring problem with that theory is the fact that Microsoft has absolutely no retail Xbox 360 games announced for holiday 2013.
Yes, this is most likely nothing but a minor setback for Microsoft, but it's been overblown, just like the majority of things we've been hearing about lately. Oh well, we don't have much longer to wait.
Quinton, you're making it sound like everything about the design of the PS4 was an afterthought. It is not, far from it.
All this about not showing anything tangible about the console up to this point, in turn corraborating your belief that Sony were rushed because you're comparing it to Nintendo's WiiU scenario is delusional.
Discussion based on speculation is interesting, denial based on speculation is not.
All this about not showing anything tangible about the console up to this point, in turn corraborating your belief that Sony were rushed because you're comparing it to Nintendo's WiiU scenario is delusional.
Discussion based on speculation is interesting, denial based on speculation is not.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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No I don't blame them, but it's symptomatic of the arrogance that seems to blight the winning console manufacturer of any particular generation.
..just as Nintendo & Sony suffered a fall from grace because of it with the N64 & PS3 (in relative terms compared to SNES, PS1 & PS2), MS are about to suffer the same fate.
It's stacks of money vs. stacks of money. All that matters is which stack is higher.
PatientRain
Member
Is any company every where they want to be with a console launch and games line-up? Even the Vita, which had what's widely considered a great line-up for games petered out quickly. Nothing to play is the bane of early adopters; that won't change.
I suppose we shouldn't be taking you seriously either then ?
DeFiBkIlLeR
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If MS had had their way, some of the projects now destined for the next Xbox in 2014 would have been appearing this Christmas for the 360.
..all they would have needed to get another pay day is 1 or 2 AAA titles.
The reason the 360 has nothing of note for 2013, is because last year, they knew Sony was going to jump first, so shifted their 1st party's to new Xbox development.
That is almost certainly not what happened.
Did you miss Sony's PS4 reveal where Cerny said they'd been working on it since 2007? Microsoft will have probably been working on the next Xbox for a similar amount of time.
:lol
Yep, the situation isn't as ideal and "all according to plans" as a lot of enthusiasts think (i'm strictly talking of time schedule here, not hypothetical hardware problems):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56157072&postcount=353
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56160880&postcount=472
Still, it's better than Microsoft, and was by all means to be expected for a console in-progress, with constantly evolving dev kits. It's just that between what we've heard from the PR campaign since the PS4 reveal, and what i've been told from legit sources on the state of their next-gen multi-port, the difference between the two portrayal is embarrassing for the gaming media who perhaps aren't enough inquiring on these matters and swallow all the positive buzz without caution.
ThisWreckage
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I believe this because it fits with Microsoft's history. Their internal studios have no idea what gamers want outside of Forza, Fable, and Halo. Look at all of the failed first party releases on the original Xbox. They don't even trust Rare anymore because they're games were good to great, but they didn't set sales charts afire. So it comes down to money and what they think will be popular. Which is why I still think this console is going to be a focus tested nightmare in the end.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Sorry but I disagree. Unless it's Halo or Forza the quality isn't quite there and neither is the marketing push. Fable is long gone, they killed Crakdown, and Rare isn't impressing anyone no matter what they make.
gundamkyoukai
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We also have 3 people saying you are wrong about the devkits and they have given info before .
Quinton McLeod
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And this is what I've been saying, but that's Sony fanboys for ya.
No you have been spouting incorrect rubbish.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
TwiztidElf
Member
For years now, Microsoft have publicly said "As soon as Sony move, we're ready to roll".
And now...here we are. Sony seems to have caught them totally off guard, and it makes no sense.
And now...here we are. Sony seems to have caught them totally off guard, and it makes no sense.
Quinton McLeod
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No. You have, my friend.
You're confusing CAS timings and believing that fixes the latency, and it doesn't. Durante (who is the OP of the GPU and CPU thread) has been saying this. I even quoted him and you slapped it down.
It actually just sounds like things have gone awry. Schedules being missed and so forth. The best laid schemes of mice and men, Go often awry.
Officerrob
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Oh god, show me real evidence not someone saying something.
Junior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDRAM_latency
The wiki article seems to disagree with you.
CambriaRising
Member
This is a bad idea, trust me.
Assume much?
Only doing what he did to others.
CambriaRising
Member
You know what they say about two wrongs.
specialguy
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Thread about a huge third party game possibly going exclusive for Durango: 51k views currently
Thread implying Durango problems and trouble etc etc...128k views
About sums it up I guess.
Thread implying Durango problems and trouble etc etc...128k views
About sums it up I guess.
Completely made up.
Why would MS compete against the most expensive game they ever made in history with 1 or 2 more AAA exclusives last holiday.
They shifted first party because they knew they were going next gen. They were talking with devs at the last E3 about their plans for Next gen.
In fact, everyone thought MS was going to announce at last year's E3 and they wisely held off.
Indeed, if only I could change the past..
Why programmability at all? Just put it at lowest possible. Or are there any downsides when choosing the lowest possible?
And of course we don't know the latency the RAM of PS4 will have.
Tripp Daily
Member
Arthur Gies (I know, a curse around here) also mentioned that both consoles would have an abundance of exclusives and that it would be difficult if you were planning on only buying one console.
Theres a range and in a way programmability because specific speeds may not be stable at specific latencies.
Thing is the first was/is expected by many, the second not so much.
I expect even more 3rd party exclusives.
I've been in the Respawn thread but not being much of a CoD player didn't have a great deal to say. Plus I frown upon the practice of moneyhatting but if it buys MS success good luck to them as it's a valid strategy.
mysteriousmage09
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This thread hasn't been about Durango problems for several pages. I will admit, when I read the post about overheating I instantly thought of this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeFDe44Ddo
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
You know this why? And why even bring it into discussion when we don't know which latency PS4-ram will use?
JimmyRustler
Member
Well, it is when many people have already jumped ship because of that.
Im just explaining the reason for the programmability obviously you would get the lowest latency ram you could afford
