DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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Papacheeks
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It depends on how you define graphics, look at all the detail on the Infamous:Second son character model running in real time, with all the crazy particle effects when he uses his smoke abilities.
Look at the animation and lighting in Knack, and color usage, very Pixar like, and their movies are sometimes about simple character design's, but the detail is in the animation and color usage of a scene.
Infamous and Knack look great, Killzone looks ok from a crysis type of stand point. But I honestly will have to see more. Driveclub, I have no clue, since I really don't play racing games out side of Kart Racers.
ElfArmy177
Member
Is this a serious post?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You do realize the devs are aiming for different things visually as well right?
Talk about jumping the gun.
Metalmurphy
Member
And apparently The Order was real time which blows every other game so far out of the water.
Then there's the Sorcerer tech demo, using the PS3 tools they worked with for Beyond and not actually something designed for PS4.
im screaming!!!
were those 30FPS? If so then yeah again give me all the grfx you can push and 30FPS
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
No they don't lol. Killzone is not a twitch shooter. You don't get these sorts of visuals at 60fps.
You get 60 fps with those kinds of visuals on better hardware.
Doesn't NSMB U run at 1080p60?
Nah, 720p60 without AA.
Absolutely, but I'll be honest, I have not seen one single PC game to date with visuals that impressive. Of course it could be done, but it hasn't happened yet. Crysis 3 is about the closest thing but it doesn't have the same density of geometry in the backgrounds.
I look at that demo and find it hard to believe that anyone could shit on that. It's just wonderful looking.
Nope. Tell me what's great about it? Probably the wrong thread though. The general point is....I want 60 fps where it helps to enhance a game that actually is exciting. 1080p 60 is nice to have, but I care about meaningful experiences.
CassidyIzABeast
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Which is why I said its still early and we should wait and see.
Ryse wasn't all that impressive to me either. An on-rails QTE fest where you can't actually move within the environment? Awful.
And seriously your type of posts are far worse than his, even if he's wrong, at least he's showing a modicum of respect. It's especially concerning considering Ryse looked like such shit.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Early console software tends to be dissapointing unless you're called Factor 5. Still most of these games are months away from release an optimization happens on those.
Some of you were waiting carefully to crawl out of your holes at the minimal negative news about PS4 lol
Edit: Seems like your comment wasn't an snarking remark I guess, sorry.
Some of you were waiting carefully to crawl out of your holes at the minimal negative news about PS4 lol
Edit: Seems like your comment wasn't an snarking remark I guess, sorry.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I took your words differently, apologies there. Reading this entire thread is a headache.
On second thought, your comment was rather trollish.
la flama blanca
Banned
Holy shit at this thread lmao. Never knew there were so many tech experts on GAF
no thanks ever. Next gen should be 1080/30 if they can make it 60 then do it if not dont downgrade the grfx
he's actually not a troll read his last post. You're right tho about certain others that is
i dont understand some of you... why 30fps at 1080 is ok? videogames are about playing, so they are about gameplay. fps is important for gameplay, resolution is not. Again, if someone is pushing graphics and resolution over fps, they are pushing graphics over gameplay and thats just... sad. The problem is that graphics sell while fps dont, so i have to play 30fps games because of the general public...
LukasTaves
Member
Jeebus, aren't you guys overreacting much?
My 2 cents:
- Unfinished software has performance issues, news at eleven.
- Framerate on consoles is not only a matter of power, it's a target. There are going to have compromises 60fps games do that games that target 30 fps won't have to deal with, even if that compromise is spending more time to optimize your game.
My 2 cents:
- Unfinished software has performance issues, news at eleven.
- Framerate on consoles is not only a matter of power, it's a target. There are going to have compromises 60fps games do that games that target 30 fps won't have to deal with, even if that compromise is spending more time to optimize your game.
According to people that went hands on and numerous "professional" (video game) fighters...the game looks and plays incredibly well. All I've seen are positive and even rave reviews fight mechanics wise.
I'm not a fan of the art-style, but you're wrong based on first-hand experience.
Gemüsepizza
Member
What. does. this. even. mean? We are talking about different games here.
You took his words entirely the correct way.
elbourreau
Member
Any exemple?
Show me better hardware doing something like the above at 60fps.
They share the exact same CPU and the same GPU architecture, but the PS4 GPU has 50% more raw shader performance, double the fillrate, massively increased compute queues plus the whole system shares a faster, simpler pool of RAM. Xbox One has 32MB of eDRAM and Data Move Engines acting as band-aids but they won't make a massive amount of difference plus they make development a little more complicated.
For multiplatform titles with a little optimisation this will most likely give PS4 a more solid framerate and tighter IQ (though devs can choose to spend the resources in other ways).
We'll likely see PS4 pull away a good bit in the second wave of exclusive titles.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
this is true. also this is another reason why only devs got to demo the games because they know where the game is unstable. the only QA the game gets is internal so no fpqa submission passes.
this is the reason why articles like these are pointless.
Won't it completely fail in the FGC though thanks to always online/online check in, kinect and DRM?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The input lag in KZ is a bad surprise seeing how they worked hard to minimize it in transition from KZ2 to KZ3, and succeeded in doing so.
KZ looks highly impressive compared to all other next gen console games shown, and it probably has feature parity (probably advantage with their take on raytracer even) with Crysis 3 on PC, and still runs at more or less locked 30FPS.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Hell no, 720p with AA looks horrible on my 1080p monitor. Tales of Graces f looks silky smooth on my old 720p TV and looks like blurry ass on my monitor.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Have you guys seen CoD Ghosts fake lighting, low poly models, blurry textures.
This is the tradeoff for running 1080p60. I'd rather have incredible looking games than 1080p60 with barely better than current gen fidelity.
This is the tradeoff for running 1080p60. I'd rather have incredible looking games than 1080p60 with barely better than current gen fidelity.
captscience
Member
Driveclub looks noticeably inferior to NFS and Forza to all that saw the demo.
KZ:SF has no excuse to be 30fps if BF4 is 60.
Knack looks really sparse graphically.
Infamous looks really nice, but how great does the Division look!
Given their level of talent, I'm sure Sony 1st party will eventually make spectacular looking games (The Quantic demo and the Order already hint at it), but right now, it looks like they're struggling a bit.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Is this the part where you throw common sense out the window and act like the PS4 is the be-all-end-all of technological advancements in graphics rendering?
"Better" hardware could run something like that at 60 fps, that's why it's BETTER hardware.
I just looked into it again myself and it sucks that they showed it off at one of the floor shows the other year at 1080p and then went back on that.
i dont think there is much to worry about here. I remember when i first bought my 360. The launch titles looked like high def ps2 games. I purchased Call of duty 2 at the time and i had a blast with it but i was somewhat disappointed with the visuals. fast forward a few years and i we saw titles like Gears of war and of course we all know how impressive modern warfare was at the time. I also think that many people are forgetting that they are essentially doubling the resolution. the pixel count will jump from about 1 million to 2 million on every frame considering that everything is going to be 1080p. Trust me, this is not a small difference. it will be very visible but its not something that can be conveyed on youtube or any other internet player. unfortunately it usually takes anywhere between a year and 2 years before we start seeing the hardware really come into play on almost every new generation. lets be patient and enjoy what is coming.
Moral Panic
Member
Has Killzone got AA yet? I've only seen the February stuff which was quite aliased.
First-hand experience is when you play the thing yourself, you're talking about second-hand experience.
KI is by far the least impressive Xbone game and that's fine. Some people will buy it regardless, like Perfect Dark Zero.
No, just needs to be playable.
Killzone 3 wasn't twitch but it didn't have input lag.
Uno Venova
Banned
I'm not even sure what needs to be excused, it's common knowledge games at E3 aren't optimized for launch.
Exactly. 1080p can still produce a lot of jaggies which makes a game look ugly.
Probably not hardware you could sell for $399.99 though. Consoles are meant to be a simple, affordable, mass market solution for gaming. I know a lot of PC gamers are willing to lay down three hundred plus dollars, just for the GPU. For a lot of people though, that isn't acceptable.
yup thats why im happy cause devs arent listening to those ppl. They have to have games like Division *.*
Always-honest
Banned
You're right about Drive Club.
shinobi602
Member
I've been playing games my whole life and owned dozens of consoles. I've played plenty of 60fps games over the years, and I'll firmly say that switching it up and playing a game that's 30fps did not lessen my enjoyment of the game one bit. I have zero problems with a game that's 30fps. Perfectly playable.
The point is your post was silly. Obviously better hardware could run the same scene better. That's like me saying, yea, if the PS4 had a GeForce Titan in it, it could run this exact segment of the game at 60fps. But what's the point? There's nothing that looks like this on any piece of hardware, and the PS4's specs are fixed.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Reading this, I'm starting to think devs should just give us settings to fiddle with so the low performance people can have their shiny bells and whistles and I can have my performance.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Its all in good fun. Calm down man. We're still 5 months from launch, all these games could be 60fps by then.Gemüsepizza;64763451 said:
shinobi602
Member
It was also shit compared to KZ2 and partly why fans hated it.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I don't care about a few jaggies as long as I can have increased details. A lot of details will go lost with 720p.