Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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mr stroke
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I have heard good and bad things about BB/Future Shops calibration service. But if I were to have a set professionally calibrated I would use an independent ISF calibrator. Its probably the same cost($200-350) and you know you will get industry standard settings vs some Geek Squad kid who may just change TV settings with out equipment.
Google "ISF calibration your location" and tons should pop up.
FairXchange
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Adding a back light behind my Panasonic 50S60 in a dark room has been great so far. I put a 6500k 30w strip light behind the panel and turn off all the lights while I game. The blacks look even more impressive with some mild light behind the set, and colours are even more vivid. Best thing of all, eye strain is dramatically reduced with a mild source of light in a dark room. So you get all the benefits of the plasma in the dark room, and it enhances how you see the picture as well.
BruiserBear
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The colors are one of the specific weaknesses of this TV. It's one of the reasons I recently returned it. CNET's review had their calibrated settings for it.
LeeFowler.CU
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Just picked up the Panasonic TC-P65S60 based off comments in this thread and reviews. I'm super excited for it to come in. Should be this coming Thursday. Picked it up for $1299 on Amazon which is the lowest its ever been. I don't know if this has been posted before but www.camelcamelcamel.com is a great way to track amazon or best buy price history.
BruiserBear
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This is my biggest complaint with the TV industry today.
The DSE effect in particular blows my mind. It's caused from the anti reflective coatings they put on almost all TVs today, and these coatings do little to get rid of reflections. So in exchange for a tiny improvement on reflections, you get this ugly ass film over the entire screen that is noticeable most of the time you're viewing the TV. No thanks.
I recently bought a 55 inch Sony 802a and the DSE was awful. I could not accept it, and ultimately I ended up returning the TV. I'm still rocking my 42" Panasonic D30, which has absolutely no coating applied to it's screen, and the image quality is a clear as it gets as a result. The input lag is also nice and low, so I'll be sticking with this TV until I can find a good gaming TV that doesn't have some shit coating on it's screen.
See You Next Wednesday
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SymbolicGamer
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Woah. This thread again.
I never said the 5ms response time was the same as input lag. I was just explaining the type of TV I have.
I do know what I'm talking about. I have a plasma, and an lcd. I've played games on both. The plasma is slightly better with dealing with input lag, but the lcd is just fine. Not really worth the $1000+ difference. Especially since I do a lot of marathon sessions, and don't want to risk burn in playing on my very expensive plasma. The Vizio I have is a great TV, and it was under $500.
I should also note that I recently moved my LCD into a room that is pitch black. Black walls, black shade. When I turn out the lights, the room is in complete darkness. The black levels on my Vizio don't drop at all. It's crazy.
I'm not claiming my TV is the absolute best, but for what I paid for it, the screen quality and features this thing has (it's also a smart TV) is excellent.
Disagree all you want, you don't have my TV.
I never said the 5ms response time was the same as input lag. I was just explaining the type of TV I have.
I do know what I'm talking about. I have a plasma, and an lcd. I've played games on both. The plasma is slightly better with dealing with input lag, but the lcd is just fine. Not really worth the $1000+ difference. Especially since I do a lot of marathon sessions, and don't want to risk burn in playing on my very expensive plasma. The Vizio I have is a great TV, and it was under $500.
I should also note that I recently moved my LCD into a room that is pitch black. Black walls, black shade. When I turn out the lights, the room is in complete darkness. The black levels on my Vizio don't drop at all. It's crazy.
I'm not claiming my TV is the absolute best, but for what I paid for it, the screen quality and features this thing has (it's also a smart TV) is excellent.
Disagree all you want, you don't have my TV.
The Samsung 5300 40" is just $459 on amazon right now and it's one of the best LED gaming TV's out there right now.
Sure if you don't care that the picture looks like ass, but hey at least it has low input lag.
FrankNitty
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DSE is more of an issue with the filter not being applied correctly as opposed to there being a filter. If the filter is not applied in a uniform fashion or is a poor implementation of filters such a louver filters then you will see DSE more often.
Also no TV is going to kill a reflection. It is a reflective filter to filter the light that hits the panel so it will ideally maintain it's picture quality colors and blacks so it doesn't wash out. If someone is looking for a TV that will kill a reflection you are looking for something that doesn't exist. The best you can hope for is to have it subdue them some but even then it is minimal even more so when you realize it is a glass panel.
DSE is bullshit though. Definitely one of the first things I look for on displays along with banding, dead pixels, and floating blacks
Also no TV is going to kill a reflection. It is a reflective filter to filter the light that hits the panel so it will ideally maintain it's picture quality colors and blacks so it doesn't wash out. If someone is looking for a TV that will kill a reflection you are looking for something that doesn't exist. The best you can hope for is to have it subdue them some but even then it is minimal even more so when you realize it is a glass panel.
DSE is bullshit though. Definitely one of the first things I look for on displays along with banding, dead pixels, and floating blacks
Bill Rizer
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You're not alone on this. Solution, luckily, is simpler than you can think: buy entry-level Panasonic plasma, you get more or less same pq of upper series, not messed up by obnoxious filter, and save a bunch of money.
It's win-win.
BruiserBear
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Unfortunately I'm not even sure if there is a TV manufacturer not using these anti reflective coatings. I do know this, Panasonic use to not use them at all on their LCDs, but now use them like everyone else, however, Panasonic's are the least offensive I've seen. Their ET30, DT30, and WT30 are all good gaming options. Input lag that is low enough to be good for gaming.
Filter, coating, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. All I know is that I have yet to see a TV with any sort of anti reflective look about it, that didn't also have DSE.
However, my Panasonic D30 from 2011 has a finish like glass, reflections like a mirror when it's off, and it has absolutely no DSE.
Uh, actually this is not true. They also apply these same anti reflective coatings to plasmas. I bought a Panny ST30 a couple years back, and it had dirty screen effect just like that Sony I had a week ago. The problem is not exclusive to LCDs.
Mikey Jr.
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Hey guys, is the Samsung UN40EH5300 considered a good console gaming tv?
Seems to have low input lag at 26ms.
How is the pic quality?
Any thoughts on the UN40F5500 or the UN40ES6100?
Pretty much anything on this page that I should be looking at instead?
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...1,6-cm~sc1832-42po-107-cm~sc2929-39po-99,1-cm
Seems to have low input lag at 26ms.
How is the pic quality?
Any thoughts on the UN40F5500 or the UN40ES6100?
Pretty much anything on this page that I should be looking at instead?
http://www.2001audiovideo.com/en/ca...1,6-cm~sc1832-42po-107-cm~sc2929-39po-99,1-cm
FrankNitty
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Pretty much the same thing only difference is how it is applied.
Most manufactures are now trying to go with louver filters which are just like louver blinds the model you have doesn't use those. You can check though with a flashlight to make sure.
You might want to check out the ones you already listed the ET and WT. They use the same clear filter. Though I think the WT use the "Pro" which may be a louver type.
Most plasma's will use louvers now. Before it was more for their higher end but has went through most of the lines now. The only manufacturer that I can think of that uses an actual coating on the glass were Pioneer, LG, Samsungs(some models, I believe it was either E or D because there were complaints of it peeling), and maybe Sharp. Though that was awhile ago so more may use actual coatings. Hell panasonic might also on their full glass fronts.
Same reasoning though as to why dse is there. If they do not apply it correctly you will have DSE since if the filter is uneven you will have some areas appear correctly outputting a certain brightness while other areas have more light blocked because of the uneven portion which makes it look "dirty"
It's hard to not find a display without a filter though. Especially a plasma now days.
I'm looking to buy a 50-55 inch (possibly 60 inch if you convince me) TV for $1299 or below. I would like it to be 3D compatible if possible, even though I don't intend to use it much.
1) I'm thinking of going plasma because everyone says it's better. I play games and browse the Internet and stuff on my TV, I don't have cable or watch many movies (that could change).
2) I play 90% of the time in the dark. So plasma seems fine. I don't want image burn-in though, I need this TV to last a long time.
3) I live in Canada, so the good prices you guys have aren't applicable. I'll be paying $200 more for the same TV, so any good websites to buy from to save money would be appreciated.
4) I want something good for Wii, Wii U, and PS3 and PS4. I notice Nintendo uses Panasonic TVs for their demos, and it looks good. So I'm thinking Panasonic, probably Plasma.
5) I am willing to wait until December 2013 for new models or whatever.
Thanks
1) I'm thinking of going plasma because everyone says it's better. I play games and browse the Internet and stuff on my TV, I don't have cable or watch many movies (that could change).
2) I play 90% of the time in the dark. So plasma seems fine. I don't want image burn-in though, I need this TV to last a long time.
3) I live in Canada, so the good prices you guys have aren't applicable. I'll be paying $200 more for the same TV, so any good websites to buy from to save money would be appreciated.
4) I want something good for Wii, Wii U, and PS3 and PS4. I notice Nintendo uses Panasonic TVs for their demos, and it looks good. So I'm thinking Panasonic, probably Plasma.
5) I am willing to wait until December 2013 for new models or whatever.
Thanks
Hopefully Moth-Eye tech pans out.
FrankNitty
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Within your price range you can get Panasonic S60, a Samsung UNxx6400, Sony W802A. Some LG's also but I cannot speak much about LG as I havent owned one since they stopped making full array backlit. Also you have some Sharp's. The benefit with going with sharp is going to be more of a size benefit. Meaning the same price you pay for a 50/55 inch Panasonic, Sony, or Samsung, you can probably get a 60 inch Sharp
1) I'm thinking of going plasma because everyone says it's better. I play games and browse the Internet and stuff on my TV, I don't have cable or watch many movies (that could change). - General consensus is yes plasma is going to give you a better PQ. Though imho just based off what you will primarily be using it for, when you say browse the internet I assume you mean hooking a PC up to it? If so if you leave it static for awhile look at a LED
2) I play 90% of the time in the dark. So plasma seems fine. I don't want image burn-in though, I need this TV to last a long time. - Again if you browse the internet for a long time and leave static images up, you will get IR. IR probably won't last a long time but I would suggest an LED if that's one of your primary uses and you don't vary much content.
3) I live in Canada, so the good prices you guys have aren't applicable. I'll be paying $200 more for the same TV, so any good websites to buy from to save money would be appreciated. - Don't know. Many websites have great prices, the problem you will find is if they will ship to canada
4) I want something good for Wii, Wii U, and PS3 and PS4. I notice Nintendo uses Panasonic TVs for their demos, and it looks good. So I'm thinking Panasonic, probably Plasma. - Panasonic makes nice displays. Going to give you some of the best PQ out there not a bad buy in most cases. Not sure why they use them sure there is more to it then that. Personally I wouldn't go off stuff like x and x uses this for demos. I mean I assume sony probably uses bravia's...and they is not a good enough reason to buy something like that
5) I am willing to wait until December 2013 for new models or whatever. - Not sure about canada but new models usually come out earliest late march to mid august. This model year with exception to late entries like the LG and Samsung OLED's is out. You would have to wait until next year this time for new models
unholyrevenger72
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Is there is a Latency Database for modern TV's somewhere? since CRT's have gone the way of the Dodo
Lv99 Slacker
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This question goes out to all owners of this model here: What has your gaming experience been like in terms of lag? What games are you playing?
I was under the impression new plasma TVs didn't have any burn-in problems. My main goal is PQ and longevity, don't care about Smart TV but 3D is a nice option to have.
Do you think they will drop the price on these models by Christmas? And is there any rumors on what the 2014 models will have? I doubt there's going to be any OLED or 4k TVs in my price range for another 5-6 years anyway.
Mikey Jr.
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I bought a new Panasonic 51" tv about half a year ago.
My parents watch SDTV, so on the sides you get those black bars.
These black bars are now burned in. It is ok when the screen is dark, but when the colours are lighter, you can see the outline of the black bars.
Yeah, they fucked over my new tv. Fuck it, they can keep that one now. I'm buying a new LED for my room. Mehhh.
FrankNitty
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They can suffer from image retention. Burn in is possible but you would have to almost try to get it. Image retention is there but so minimal but can happen. Usually will go away after a little time with a screen swipe or with mixed content.
Reason why I was suggesting that is because if you for instance are browsing the internet for example and always have it up for hours on end, day after day you will get image retention after some point in time if you aren't mixing content.
Ex. You use chrome for instance and you a always have it up. you will see the search/address bar and tabs. They never change. those pixels do not get exercised or aged like the rest of teh panel. They will age unevenly. Which what image retention is. If you mix content it is not a big deal. hell even a 24 hour gaming marathon is not a big deal but if that is all you are going to use it for, for the duration of you owning that set. It will be a problem.
Image retention is temporary, burn is is not.
Prices will drop for sure. Most of these just came out not long ago so they should lower some.
If your main concern is PQ get the panasonic. Longevity either will work but keep your habits in mind. If you think you mix enough content between gaming and internet you should be fine with the panasonic.
No idea about 2014 models.
Bought one of my plasmas, a 42" Panasonic S60 from SEARS for $399 and it came with $107 in rewards gift cards. Epic deal. So yes, you can get an amazing TV for under $500.
Can someone tell me what the deal is with 120 hz vs. 240 hz vs. 600 hz?
I'm sporting a 7-year-old Vizio and think it's time to upgrade with the new consoles coming out, and I obviously don't know much about TVs. I want to know what all this refresh rate stuff really means (and what is good for gaming/movie watching).
Also, I hate that "soap opera" smoothing look some TVs do nowadays. Do these refresh rates have anything to do with that?
I'm sporting a 7-year-old Vizio and think it's time to upgrade with the new consoles coming out, and I obviously don't know much about TVs. I want to know what all this refresh rate stuff really means (and what is good for gaming/movie watching).
Also, I hate that "soap opera" smoothing look some TVs do nowadays. Do these refresh rates have anything to do with that?
600hz is how plasma produce colours/gradients, has nothing to do with how fast they refresh a frame, it's all marketing.
120 and 240 are just frame and the soap opera are not caused by these modes, but the motion compensate that these tvs have as a "feature".
Ok, thanks. So 120 and 240 are both fine for gaming?
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Anybody have any comments on the LG 55GA7900 55" 3D :LED TV, specifically in regard to gaming?
I've never owned - and honestly, probably wouldn't have ever chosen to own - an LG. It took me years to finally recognize that Samsung had caught up to Sony in the TV race; and even still, I'd probably keep an eye on the Panasonic plasmas.
But, thing is, I really wanted to stay under $800 - making great choices limited, especially for larger sizes. But Microcenter has this guy for $1000 even - a HECK of a deal, and a solid ~$800 cheaper than Amazon/Best Buy; and an even bigger reduction from MSRP. Plus, it comes with a year of Netflix, saving me another $100+. So yeah, worth it to pull the trigger?
I've never owned - and honestly, probably wouldn't have ever chosen to own - an LG. It took me years to finally recognize that Samsung had caught up to Sony in the TV race; and even still, I'd probably keep an eye on the Panasonic plasmas.
But, thing is, I really wanted to stay under $800 - making great choices limited, especially for larger sizes. But Microcenter has this guy for $1000 even - a HECK of a deal, and a solid ~$800 cheaper than Amazon/Best Buy; and an even bigger reduction from MSRP. Plus, it comes with a year of Netflix, saving me another $100+. So yeah, worth it to pull the trigger?
MrPresident
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Yes. If you turn off motion compensation then you will see no difference to how a game should look on those displays.
Coincidentally, gaming is actually a better use of motion compensation than movies. The soap opera effect doesn't apply to gaming and I've played more than a few games with framerate issues that it 'fixed' without any real drawbacks. There is slightly more input lag (depending on how well the TV handles motion compensation) and you will see the occasional artifact (depending on the game) but certain games can genuinely benefit from it.
BruiserBear
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I would recommend anyone looking at TVs in this thread to read this article first.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
Don't accept a tv with more than 40 milliseconds of input lag.
If youre using only input lag as a metric for which TV to buy, you are locking out the TVs with the best image quality. Dumb thing to say. Input lag isn't the end all/be all qualifier for what makes a good TV. Out of that entire list, all of the best looking TVs are rated at above 40ms, there is only one in the less than category that is comparably good...
DizzyCaffeine
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I have the same TV and I would love to add some backlighting (already invested in some black out curtains to eliminate the reflection problem). How much did it cost you? Did you buy online, and if so, where?
ElektroDragon is rich and doesn't mind expending dat money on Sony after his breakup with MS. Also Panasonic? I thought the best TV's were Sharp.
The TV doesn't look bad, that's why it's the best recommended LED TV for gaming right now on the market.
Bill Rizer
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For this I said entry level. UT50 (which I have) and this year's S60 have mirror-like pure glass screen without any coating.
This is the reason why myself and even experienced users an avsforum vastly prefer these models over higher-end ones.
Tech is about the same across one said year series (similar measured black level, same motion resolution), they can have different chipset and driving method, more advanced picture controls, more inputs and better (or worse...) screen filter; but in the end, pq is there.
Looking at this thread, I think you could make an amazing deal atm buying an S60, if you don't mind 3d.
bigboss370
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uh, I'd go with LED. I have a 55" one and it is freaking godly, especially for gaming. Huge difference, even when comparing to developer released footage of their own games and also footage from review sites. Much better than other tv's in my experience.
RedAssedApe
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You sure your TV doesn't support 1080i?
Well yes it does. The best gaming LCD on the market right now is the Sony W905.
http://www.extrastores.com/eCatalog/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=2369002&lang=en
http://www.extrastores.com/eCatalog/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=2620995&lang=en
So i m deciding between these 2 ?
which should i go for
http://www.extrastores.com/eCatalog/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=2620995&lang=en
So i m deciding between these 2 ?
which should i go for
Bill Rizer
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That Sony is an old series not that great.
Samsung is a good tv with very low input-lag. Only be aware that the 40" has a better panel (actually very deep blacks for an LCD):
http://www.extrastores.com/eCatalog/productdetails.aspx?ProductID=2445983&lang=en
ChiliManiac
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I have an LG LCD at 32inchs and 60hz and it's fine looking with my PS3. I think at this point PPI is so high that the only major leap you'll see is with a 4k TV or a much bigger TV but a 120hz might be ideal for 60fps gaming. It's hard to know until the systems come out. Games will look amazing either way.