-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Fitness |OT6| Defying gravity, Quest madness, and Muscle Shaming
- Thread starter SquiddyCracker
- Start date
- Status
HisshouBuraiKen
Member
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Had tons of errands to run today, all scattered about NYC, from upper Manhattan to lower Manhattan and even to Brooklyn, so I got on my bicycle and did 'em all. 20-miles total when it was all said and done.
Love getting shit done while exercising at the same time.
Love getting shit done while exercising at the same time.
BronzeWolf
Banned
OK guys a little story time.
One of my secretaries used to be a PT at my gym. We talk from time to time about fitness and I asked why I kept seeing the PT's at my gym dosing dishing out useless routine after useless routine. I told her how that even though I have great muscle memory, I had gained great muscle over 3 months, and am losing fat at a pace of 3lb per week.
She told me the PT's knew about what works and what doesn't. Most of them are huge themselves and sometimes they can lift decent weights, yet the point is keeping the trainee from advancing so they always come back.
I had always read this online, but I never got it straight from the horses mouth.
I don't trust PT's whose revenue stream depends on you NOT acquiring knowledge.
One of my secretaries used to be a PT at my gym. We talk from time to time about fitness and I asked why I kept seeing the PT's at my gym dosing dishing out useless routine after useless routine. I told her how that even though I have great muscle memory, I had gained great muscle over 3 months, and am losing fat at a pace of 3lb per week.
She told me the PT's knew about what works and what doesn't. Most of them are huge themselves and sometimes they can lift decent weights, yet the point is keeping the trainee from advancing so they always come back.
I had always read this online, but I never got it straight from the horses mouth.
I don't trust PT's whose revenue stream depends on you NOT acquiring knowledge.
ohhthegore
Member
Man that's really messed up if true but it doesn't surprise me I guess
Jesus thats horrible. Theres a guy at my gym whose been training diligently with one of the pt's. He still looks pretty scrawny a whole year later. I do think some of the trainers at my gym are more inept than anything, but if theyre purposely stiffling progress for this reason, then that is horrible. Wow. Do pt's generally make comission?
FallingEdge
Member
Guys, I've asked this before but haven't gotten an answer yet. In the 5/3/1 Periodization Bible, the basic template says to do 3 lifts of 5 sets each. So the total is 15 sets of accessory lifts after the main lift.
Now would it be ok to drop the number of sets per exercise but up the number of exercises? For example 4 lifts of 4 sets each? That's 16 sets total and the same amount as in the bodybuilding template so I guess it wouldn't matter as long as the fourth lift uses the same muscles? Also would it matter if I did curls in the lower body days since I can't really fit them in the upper body days anymore.
I was thinking something like this:
Now I'm not starting this now (sometime in the winter is more likely) but I like to plan ahead.
Now would it be ok to drop the number of sets per exercise but up the number of exercises? For example 4 lifts of 4 sets each? That's 16 sets total and the same amount as in the bodybuilding template so I guess it wouldn't matter as long as the fourth lift uses the same muscles? Also would it matter if I did curls in the lower body days since I can't really fit them in the upper body days anymore.
I was thinking something like this:
Now I'm not starting this now (sometime in the winter is more likely) but I like to plan ahead.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
My body hair definitely seems a litter thicker.
Just purchased a Philips bodygroom Pro. A bit expensive, but it is excellent and can trim/shave all hair effortlessly with no irritation.
I think that's the one I have. Cuts through ball hair like a hot knife in butter.
RumblingRosco
Member
I've heard similar stories from anecdotal reports from friends. When I really think about it, I've never met anyone that has had a personal trainer and really raved about enjoying it/seeing results. I'm 100% sure there are very good PTs out there, but it seems like the general consensus is to stay away.
Yeah but I bet that if tge average gym goer / couch potato signs up for a PT and he/she starts having them squat, press, etc that person would just stop showing up.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Jesus christ, there's this awesome older guy at this new gym I've been checking out on my little vacation.
He looks exactly like Adama
The resemblence was so uncanny that I almost asked him if it really was him, but I didn't want to disrupt him in the middle of his OHP.
OHP at like 140lbs.
He looks exactly like Adama
The resemblence was so uncanny that I almost asked him if it really was him, but I didn't want to disrupt him in the middle of his OHP.
OHP at like 140lbs.
First time I post a pic here. I've been going to the gym since March:
(took the photo 20 mins ago on my way back from the gym, by walk, hence the non-sleeve shirt)
Started at 178cm (5.83 inches?) tall and 62kg (136 pounds), now I'm at 70kg (156 pounds).
The photo isn't very good and I'd like to say I have more muscle than what shows on the pic (mainly my right shoulder, it looks much smaller on that pic I think), but I'm still far away from my ideal body...
I will try to get some better pics soon. Just letting you guys know that I read the thread everyday at work during the breaks
Edit: For comparison, this is me 5 years ago. I was a bit skinnier even during last Christmas...
(took the photo 20 mins ago on my way back from the gym, by walk, hence the non-sleeve shirt)
Started at 178cm (5.83 inches?) tall and 62kg (136 pounds), now I'm at 70kg (156 pounds).
The photo isn't very good and I'd like to say I have more muscle than what shows on the pic (mainly my right shoulder, it looks much smaller on that pic I think), but I'm still far away from my ideal body...
I will try to get some better pics soon. Just letting you guys know that I read the thread everyday at work during the breaks
Edit: For comparison, this is me 5 years ago. I was a bit skinnier even during last Christmas...
ohhthegore
Member
have a before photo at all? always great to see progess pics
ohhthegore
Member
you cutting?? and how bad is sodium when it comes to cutting? is it bad because it makes you retain water which adds to water weight?
Yes. Keeping rest day calories to 1800 and workout to 23-2400.
Macros are usually like...
Protein 200
Carbs 150ish
Fat 50
Sodium can definitely make you retain water.
Searched for some but couldn't find anything good. However, just imagine the same body with flat arms and being able to tell the should bones' shape through the shirt. Quite flat chest too...
The bulkiest I ever was until then was this some 5 years ago, and I stopped touching the gym so I got way skinnier than that. Now I'm way past that one.
Edit: Found a better one. I posted it with my other pic.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I just wanted to let you know we all see this, I personally have no idea.
Just completed the first week of the full body beginners lift with my buddy. I used to be a gym regular but fell off the past few years due to lack of motivation. I wanted to choose something simple so I don't get overwhelmed and discouraged.
To people that have or are doing the full body lift, how long would you say you stick with that workout before moving onto something more complex? Is it necessary to even do that? How effective have you found the workout to be?
Thanks in advance!
To people that have or are doing the full body lift, how long would you say you stick with that workout before moving onto something more complex? Is it necessary to even do that? How effective have you found the workout to be?
Thanks in advance!
Stick to the program until you no longer are making gains. You can milk it for a looooong time. Enjoy getting your workout over quickly for now.
BronzeWolf
Banned
You can hear that? It's the sound of my fat melting away. Down 2 more pounds to 186 
You can hear that? It's the sound of my fat melting away. Down 2 more pounds to 186
Nice job but I'm envious as hell :/
Future PhaZe
Member
Anyone found a way to keep a consistent lifting program while playing sports competitively maybe once a week or so?
I literally couldn't even finish layups on fast breaks yesterday because of how weak my arms felt after a lifting sessions. All I could do was play hard D.
Starting to see why ball players only put on muscle in the off-season...
I literally couldn't even finish layups on fast breaks yesterday because of how weak my arms felt after a lifting sessions. All I could do was play hard D.
Starting to see why ball players only put on muscle in the off-season...
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Cheat day, fuck it. I'll be fine.
OK guys I need to ask a serious question.
I'm about out of Quest bars and need to place another order. Are the white chocolate raspberry good enough to get 2 packs on the first try?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZRND3G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
EDIT: hold the phone, white chocolate raspberry for under $22 - buy, buy, buy!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZR75G2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
On an unrelated note, Rippetoe can be kind of douchey sometimes
http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=25265&page=1
Maybe I am completely off base, but he comes off as having the opinion that his routines are supposed to be used purely for weight lifting (that is, being able to prepare to do Olympic lifts) and doesn't realize that people are using them for just general fitness.
I'm about out of Quest bars and need to place another order. Are the white chocolate raspberry good enough to get 2 packs on the first try?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZRND3G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
EDIT: hold the phone, white chocolate raspberry for under $22 - buy, buy, buy!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZR75G2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
On an unrelated note, Rippetoe can be kind of douchey sometimes
http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=25265&page=1
Maybe I am completely off base, but he comes off as having the opinion that his routines are supposed to be used purely for weight lifting (that is, being able to prepare to do Olympic lifts) and doesn't realize that people are using them for just general fitness.
Future PhaZe
Member
White choco raspberry is my favorite quest bar.
HisshouBuraiKen
Member
Haha your macros are identical to mine. How tall are you? I'm 5'10 and have been steadily losing over the past month but with a lot of stalls, regains and eventual drops.
07/07/13 177.8
07/14/13 175.2
07/22/13 176.6
07/28/13 172.8
07/29/13 172.6
07/31/13 173.0
08/01/13 172.6
08/05/13 174.0
08/09/13 172.6
08/14/13 172.8
08/18/13 170.8
08/19/13 172.0
08/23/13 170.0
08/24/13 171.0
08/27/13 170.0
08/28/13 168.8
08/30/13 168.4
I know this is anathema but you may be a little high by like 100 calories on your workout days, which will add up if you're lifting 4 days a week. Just stick with it and maybe throw in 45 minuts of boring-ass incline treadmill walking once a week.
Zoe
Member
After lifting or on non-lifting days?
If on non-lifting days, that's not long enough to amount to anything unless you're also doing HIIT (in which case that's too long).
Well shit! Throw that scale away. Clothes are looser and you're gaining strength. Doesn't get much better than that!
You can chill it first.
If you start puking 7 different ways then I apologize for the bad advice.
ohhthegore
Member
OK guys I need to ask a serious question.
I'm about out of Quest bars and need to place another order. Are the white chocolate raspberry good enough to get 2 packs on the first try?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZRND3G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
EDIT: hold the phone, white chocolate raspberry for under $22 - buy, buy, buy!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZR75G2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
On an unrelated note, Rippetoe can be kind of douchey sometimes
http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=25265&page=1
Maybe I am completely off base, but he comes off as having the opinion that his routines are supposed to be used purely for weight lifting (that is, being able to prepare to do Olympic lifts) and doesn't realize that people are using them for just general fitness.
whats up with the list price on those bars?
KibblesBits
Member
My lifting buddy will move away across the country tomorrow.
I haz a sad feels. What do?
:/
I haz a sad feels. What do?
:/
I might be a little weird but I like lifting alone. I dont think i could explain my sentiment about iron to most people without seemimg like some sorta loser pseudo philosopher. Lifting is therapeutic for me and sometimes im just not on the same wavelength as friends. I have a bit of tunnel vision in the gym. "Did you see that girl? Daaamn", "No I didnt". Ironically I probably need a training partner for personal growth, go figure. Maybe the power rack.
HisshouBuraiKen
Member
I've come to think that T-Nation article on bulking has it right and there's just a certain range of bodyfat where you look the same regardless, and combined with that pretty intense cardio you may very well be dropping fat and replacing it with water, which as we all know is temporary. Don't lose heart!
In other news, Friday Bench crew checking in. 205x5.5, I was saved from doing the roll of shame on my final rep by a good samaritan bystander/guy I see there often.
Afterwards we traded tales of doing calves in the Smith machine and bashing our shins when the tiny boxes we were standing on flipped up. I lost because I'd actually set the stops, while he hadn't and just folded up like an accordion all the way to the bottom.
Yeah, I thought that was funny.
Looks like the price already went up or I am the beneficiary of that crazy Amazon pricing algorithm.
KibblesBits
Member
Generally I'm like this too. But chest days are days I really need someone to lift with to help me lift heavy. They were the days we lifted together. Now I'm all alone again.
kevo_huevo
Member
how long do you wait after lifting? if you have time to spare, i found if i shoot around for like 20-30 minutes the pump and lactic acid starts to go away and then i can hop in a game or two.
i typically lift on m/th and play ball on the weekends.
Tawney Bomb
Member
Hey Fit-GAF!
I recently switched from a split routine someone at my gym made for me to Starting Strength. With that I've switched from high bar to low bar squats and I've watched Rippetoe's videos on how to grip and position the bar and thought I'd mastered it, but today I ended up stopping my workout due to pain around the area my shoulder meets my arm, but only on the left side, possibly tendonitis(?). I'm going to take a few weeks off, and was looking for suggestions on how to improve my grip.
Any advice would be appreciated.
I recently switched from a split routine someone at my gym made for me to Starting Strength. With that I've switched from high bar to low bar squats and I've watched Rippetoe's videos on how to grip and position the bar and thought I'd mastered it, but today I ended up stopping my workout due to pain around the area my shoulder meets my arm, but only on the left side, possibly tendonitis(?). I'm going to take a few weeks off, and was looking for suggestions on how to improve my grip.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Better make friends with the power rack I guess. I use weight im comfortable hitting for 5 or so reps without a spot. I should probably just ask anyone around as people are generally willing to help.
seattle6418
Member
Lots of interesting stuff here, let me explain some things. It´s not a PT, it´s just the supervisors of the gym that assign you programs after you get in the gym and go through a physical.
Keep in mind i´m Brazilian, so some things might be different here, on the way those places work.
I´m taking BCAA before and after the workout, Whey and a pre workout (X Fit trainer) for the programs A and B
A is chest and biceps
B is back and triceps
C is legs and shoulder
I used fitocracy for a while, but i stopped using it because it´s a hassle to find the right translation for each exercise, since in Brazil we use other names, so it´s not just a matter of literal translation of the words.
I started in may of last year, but i travel a lot, so sometimes i spend one week off because of those work related trips.
Monday is A, tuesday B, wednesday C thursday A friday B and saturday C
That´s how my schedule goes, each two months this supervisor changes my programs. It´s still A B and C but different exercises.
I´ll try to explian the best way i can what i´m doing on each one:
The weights are up to me, since i´m only using the supervisors to teach me how to do it, watch for form.
Program A
Incline bench press on smith machine 4 x 8 - 150lbs
Dumbbell bench press 4 x 8 - 66lbs each dumbbell, could be more, but they are hard to get up in position, and since i workout by myself, there´s no one to spot.
Machine chest press 4 x 8 - 8 plates = around 88lbs
Pec Fly machine 4 x8 - 21 plates - around 231lbs
Two exercises for abs that are really hard to describe since it´s not the usual crunches.
Standing biceps curl 3 x10 with both dumbbells and then imediately after each set 10 alternated reps with each arm - 26lbs each
Standing biceps curl hammer grip 4 x 8 - 39lbs each
Alternate biceps curls on the same machine that you use for tricpes extensions. (best way i came up without knowing the name) 4 x 8 - 6 plates = 66lbs on each cross bar.
Treadmill 48 minutes = 7.2 kilometers in the end alternating speeds.
Program B
Mid row - 4 x 8 - 240lbs
Iso lateral row - 3 x 8 - 220lbs
Dumbbell back row - neutral grip 3 x 10 - 61lbs
Machine back row - 4 x 8 - 180lbs
two exercises for abs
Overhead triceps extension - lying - 3 x 8 - 30lbs each dumbbell immediately after each set 8 dips
Triceps extension - inverted grip 4 x 10 - 9 plates = 99lbs
Overhead triceps extension on the cross bar 4 x 10 - 16 plates - 176lbs
48 minutes on the treadmill, same 7.2 kilometers
Program C
Squats on the smith machine 4 x 8 - 150 lbs
45 leg press - 3 x 10 - 440lbs
Hammer strengh machine leg press - 4 x 10 - 308lbs
Seated Calf Raises 4 x 8 - 220lbs
Standing leg curls - hammer machine - 4 x 8 - 88lbs each side
two exercises for abs
Lateral Dumbbell raises 4 x 8 - 26lbs each, immediately after each set 8 reps of frontal raises with a 30lbs bar.
Machine shoulder press 4 x 8 - 14 plates - 154lbs
Treadmill, same 48 minutes and 7.2 kilometers
---
It´s this routine, will change later on in september.
Any more thoughts? Is it a confirmation that i´m being misguided? Something else?
It´s the smith machine, i used to do on a different machine where you could put more weight on it.
Also, very important: does anyone know of any website with types of exercises, the names and pictures and possibly the translation for other languages? It´s really a mess to have to go to google each time trying to figure out how you guys call each exercise.
Got a link to that article??
I feel the same way, yet I feel I perform better when I'm training with someone else. It's harder to fail a squat when somone else is yelling "GO GO GO" in your ear.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked