Switch 2 consoles getting banned from used Switch 1 games?

Kataploom said:
But people are literally believing the user, they're just explaining what may be happening lol.

Also we already got a similar use about being banned from Nintendo Online who happened to be using MIG in the end lol.
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Yeah I see, but I was refering to some people here.
 
Pejo said:
The fact that you should have to contact Nintendo for doing literally nothing wrong is a major issue. Imagine if every time you went to pump gas for your car, you had to prove to the police that the car wasn't stolen. It's extreme backwards thinking, and Nintendo should absolutely change this stance.
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This is more like the police questioning you because your car matches the description of a stolen car and has the same license plate number, lol. Yes, there are going to be circumstances where you bought the car not knowing it was stolen or where someone makes a false police report, but it's really not unreasonable to for them to question you under those circumstances. Now, if they still threw you in jail after you provided evidence of your innocence, that would be pretty fucked, but it sounds like you can just report the ban to Nintendo and have it lifted if you weren't actually pirating the game.
 
In law, individuals are only accountable for their own actions and cannot be held responsible for the actions of others. It is certainly not up to those who are not guilty of any criminal offense to prove to a private company that they are not wrongdoers. Nintendo is not a legal authority and does not, in that sense, have the legal capacity to make such determinations. It is up to Nintendo to prove that the cards in question are banned because the end user is responsible for a hack, since that is the reason cited by Nintendo, but certainly not the other way around. The users of these cards cannot be held liable for the actions of others.

Moreover, Nintendo has not disclosed the specific card numbers in question, making it impossible for buyers to verify the keys and there is no way for us to verify those anyway due to Nintendo. As it stands, users are paying the price for the technological shortcomings of Nintendo and its partners, who have been completely unable to secure a console (the first Switch) against hacks. The Sega Saturn, by comparison, took over 30 years before being hacked.
 
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Topher said:
He didn't find it. That's his video. He makes good points so I don't think it is stupid. You don't have to agree with his take obviously.
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I didn't watch the video, but I've played used games on my switch 2 without issue so the premise seems wrong. But my bad for replying just based thread title and post. I try not to click on most videos people post.

Does he explain how this system seemingly gave me a pass?

It looks like other people in the thread also report playing used games. Buying used games is so incredibly common.

We've had similar threads like this in the past and it turns out the person was using MIG. This was ultimately discovered going through the users who were complaining Reddit history.

More often than not when we hear about an incredibly tiny group of people who got banned, and everyone else has no issues doing the same thing, occam's razor says they did something wrong.
 
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The solution to this type of problem is simple - unified game ownership.
100% of games are purchased via the platform's online store and added to a user's permanent library.
Physical games exist as optional inexpensive collectible game data repos that install games and tell the console which game users want to play.
It's the most perfect compromise in terms of the benefit to users, studios and platforms.
Studios benefit directly by selling one game to each user and never having game sales undercut by game resale.
Users benefit by never having to buy the same game again for each new console.
Users benefit by being able to preserve the original games intact without patches or redactions.
Users get the ability to return games within a 2hr/2 week system exactly like Steam's.
With 100% of the risk removed from buying new games 100% of the games in a user's library will be games that they enjoy.
Physical games can be traded, shared and sold freely without undercutting game studios' ability to make money.
 
If this problem is wide spread, it will kill used game sales. I don't think it is. Nintendo doesn't want people dumping carts on MiG devices or whatever then selling them on the used market. Seems pretty reasonable. If people are doing that and selling them on ebay/gamestop en masse, we have a problem if nintendo is banning a lot of these accounts without fix. There's been a couple of anecdotal cases and their accounts were restored quickly via nintendo's excellent customer support from what I've heard.
 
I collect VHS tapes said:
I didn't watch the video, but I've played used games on my switch 2 without issue so the premise seems wrong. But my bad for replying just based thread title and post. I try not to click on most videos people post.

Does he explain how this system seemingly gave me a pass?

It looks like other people in the thread also report playing used games. Buying used games is so incredibly common.

We've had similar threads like this in the past and it turns out the person was hacking or using MIG. This was ultimately discovered going through the users who were complaining Reddit history.
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I think this is going to be rare thing so most won't have to worry thankfully. I also think Nintendo shouldn't make assumptions here. If it is cut and dry case of piracy then Nintendo can do what they need to do. The problem is the gray areas.
 
awwr999999 said:
The solution to this type of problem is simple - unified game ownership.
100% of games are purchased via the platform's online store and added to a user's permanent library.
Physical games exist as optional inexpensive collectible game data repos that install games and tell the console which game users want to play.
It's the most perfect compromise in terms of the benefit to users, studios and platforms.
Studios benefit directly by selling one game to each user and never having game sales undercut by game resale.
Users benefit by never having to buy the same game again for each new console.
Users benefit by being able to preserve the original games intact without patches or redactions.
Users get the ability to return games within a 2hr/2 week system exactly like Steam's.
With 100% of the risk removed from buying new games 100% of the games in a user's library will be games that they enjoy.
Physical games can be traded, shared and sold freely without undercutting game studios' ability to make money.
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Microsoft got slammed for trying that, but if it's Nintendo I guess you're just all:

suck my dick wwe GIF
 
Topher said:
I think this is going to be rare thing so most won't have to worry thankfully. I also think Nintendo shouldn't make assumptions here. If it is cut and dry case of piracy then Nintendo can do what they need to do. The problem is the gray areas.
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Sure, but everything they do is well within reason in my opinion honestly. By far the most common reason I've seen people have issues is using a MIG switch. I guess in theory they might be innocent and just backing up their own games but to be totally honest I have very little sympathy or care. And I'm guessing its part of the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you set up your console
 
Nintendo is getting a bit TOO comfortable IMO despite understanding why this situation is happening. They're still wrong. As a Nintendo fanboy, my only hope is that this doesn't lead to complacency in their games. They got me by the balls here so I won't pretend I'll avoid them out of principle, but ONLY because the games are great.
 
//DEVIL// said:
if they own the game, just call Nintendo and prove u own the game. done.

yes its not ideal and it sucks. but its what its. its not like its perma banned.
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It's still a negative user experience that no innocent bystander should have to deal with.

They supposedly can detect the MIG other ways so really no excuses to take this measure.
 
Walter Matthau said:
It's still a negative user experience that no innocent bystander should have to deal with.

They supposedly can detect the MIG other ways so really no excuses to take this measure.
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yes i agree its a shitty experience. and makes people nervous about buying a used game. but at the same time, if you were super unlucky to that point, its not an end of the world situation where your switch 2 cant go online forever, a 30 mins call should get solved.

With that being said, Nintendo should start acting right soon. This company has been receiving negative publicity since the release of the system, and they are being tone-deaf and stupid.
 
//DEVIL// said:
yes i agree its a shitty experience. and makes people nervous about buying a used game. but at the same time, if you were super unlucky to that point, its not an end of the world situation where your switch 2 cant go online forever, a 30 mins call should get solved.

With that being said, Nintendo should start acting right soon. This company has been receiving negative publicity since the release of the system, and they are being tone-deaf and stupid.
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I don't think the loud very small minority of folks are enough to say the system has been receiving negative publicity. If anything, I think there's likely far more videos and articles talking up the Switch 2 and its ability to make switch games look and perform better. Not to mention the articles about how it's an insane financial success.

Don't let the pirates fool you into thinking Nintendo is looking bad right now.
 
I collect VHS tapes said:
Sure, but everything they do is well within reason in my opinion honestly. By far the most common reason I've seen people have issues is using a MIG switch. I guess in theory they might be innocent and just backing up their own games but to be totally honest I have very little sympathy or care. And I'm guessing its part of the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you set up your console
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if they are having to unban folks that should have never been banned then they are not acting reasonably.
 
Topher said:
if they are having to unban folks that should have never been banned then they are not acting reasonably.
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Is a company never allowed to make a mistake? I personally don't believe that. I guess I hold companies to a different standard.

When the ps3 and even ps4 was around my CoD buddies got banned and unbanned for all sorts of stupid shit.

This is why most things in life have an appeal process. And also why pretty much every single car manufacturers has had recalls (which is a way more serious mistake than banning someone in error). Mistakes happen. I find it weird that people want to hold video game companies to some different standard.

I'd be curious to see out of how many Nintendo consumers, what percentage was impacted. I don't believe a company has to have zero margin of error to be reasonable.

At the end of the day there's going to be people who give a shit about this and people who simply don't care. The people who care will always try to convince the people who don't care. It's happening in this very thread and it's old and boring. People get outraged that others aren't outraged and accuse them of thinking Nintendo is our best friend or something. No, we just don't care nor live in fear. And like I said before more often than not these stories end up just being a bunch of nonsense like some idiot using a MIG switch. We just had a huge thread on it.
 
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S0ULZB0URNE said:
It's a protective measure that if innocent gets resolved.
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I collect VHS tapes said:
Is a company never allowed to make a mistake? I personally don't believe that. I guess I hold companies to a different standard.

When the ps3 and even ps4 was around my CoD buddies got banned and unbanned for all sorts of stupid shit.

This is why most things in life have an appeal process. And also why pretty much every single car manufacturers has had recalls (which is a way more serious mistake than banning someone in error). Mistakes happen. I find it weird that people want to hold video game companies to some different standard.

I'd be curious to see out of how many Nintendo consumers, what percentage was impacted. I don't believe a company has to have zero margin of error to be reasonable.

At the end of the day there's going to be people who give a shit about this and people who simply don't care. The people who care will always try to convince the people who don't care. It's happening in this very thread and it's old and boring. People get outraged that others aren't outraged and accuse them of thinking Nintendo is our best friend or something. No, we just don't care nor live in fear. And like I said before more often than not these stories end up just being a bunch of nonsense like some idiot using a MIG switch. We just had a huge thread on it.
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You're acting like having to deal with the inconvenience isn't a big deal...

Brb account was banned for some BS reason
Brb have to be on phone for hours to fight it
Brb "oh yeah, that's no big deal"
 
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Even though it's not the ideal option I think some of you are making a big deal out of something that is a minor problem. How many mig switch copies will have been sold and what are the chances that you will end up with a tainted original copy of a game? Possibly absurdly low, and in case it happens to you just contact Nintendo.
 
Topher said:
If Nintendo has no way to tell then they shouldn't be banning anyone. Period
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Mithos said:
They can tell... if both copies are online at the same time, I guess. Since the original and the MIG copy have the same identifiers.
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Nintendo CAN tell which carts have been copied when they see the unique identifier being used at the same time all over the world.

They can't tell which 1 of them is the original legit cart.

I'm sorry but if Nintendo can see the same copy being used many times, what do you do? Let it go because ONE of them MIGHT be the original game, which someone decided to dump and share on the Internet before selling mind you lol.
 
Walter Matthau said:
They supposedly can detect the MIG other ways so really no excuses to take this measure.
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Nintendo was seemingly able to detect the mig switch as-is the same way it's been used in Switch 1 all this time, but it seems to me the only people who were banned this way are those who tried it BEFORE the mig firmware update. It seems that after the update, Nintendo is back to having no way to know a game is a copy except for the unique ID, which means copy and OG cart look the same to them.
 
BlackTron said:
Nintendo was seemingly able to detect the mig switch as-is the same way it's been used in Switch 1 all this time, but it seems to me the only people who were banned this way are those who tried it BEFORE the mig firmware update. It seems that after the update, Nintendo is back to having no way to know a game is a copy except for the unique ID, which means copy and OG cart look the same to them.
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Nobody knows what detection measures Nintendo has implemented on the Switch 2, also mig switch was supposed to be undetectable and identical to the original prior to the Switch 2 release and when mig switch was tested on the Switch 2 it did not work, also there are reports of people on reddit banned after the update that made it functional on the Switch 2.
 
Feel like Nintendo is trying to go full dictatorship mode and with some replies in this thread, they'll have at 3 people to use as canon fodder who will still defend them.

These defenders are absolutely the dumbest people in gaming (And not just about this topic, but it's always the same group of fanboys) A brain parasite would choose death over taking over your Nintendo juice riddled husks.
 
BlackTron said:
I'm sorry but if Nintendo can see the same copy being used many times, what do you do?
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While exaggerating that 1 copy of game is causing so much damage, the point is simple, the genuine consumer has no way to know if their game was dumped or not until they get their system blocked, by Nintendo. Buying and using 2nd hand games is not illegal or against TOS. You are defending the wrong side.
 
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crazyriddler said:
Nobody knows what detection measures Nintendo has implemented on the Switch 2, also mig switch was supposed to be undetectable and identical to the original prior to the Switch 2 release and when mig switch was tested on the Switch 2 it did not work, also there are reports of people on reddit banned after the update that made it functional on the Switch 2.
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Nobody knows what detection methods they have, but by watching the order of events we can discern a lot. There appears to be an escalation between Nintendo and Mig. Some people got banned going online last week because Nintendo caught up, then Mig pushed another update (aided by an anonymous user thanked in ETH for finding a problem) and after that, people are going online without getting banned again. Well, maybe that one guy knew the detection method. I've seen reddit but also following the story on gbatemp.

In this tug of war between N and Mig which I think Mig is gonna win in the end, the unique ID is all they have that's really solid to catch copies.
 
Itchy Tickles said:
While exaggerating that 1 copy of game is causing so much damage, the point is simple, the genuine consumer has no way to know if their game was dumped or not until they get their system blocked, by Nintendo. Buying and using 2nd hand games is not illegal or against TOS. You are defending the wrong side.
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I will say maybe the ban is heavy handed with the hassle to have it reinstated.

Maybe disable playing the cart with a message to contact support if the ID has been flagged.

But, we know that in 97-99% of cases Nintendo detects a copied ID, it is a pirated game.
 
Itchy Tickles said:
Feel like Nintendo is trying to go full dictatorship mode and with some replies in this thread, they'll have at 3 people to use as canon fodder who will still defend them.

These defenders are absolutely the dumbest people in gaming (And not just about this topic, but it's always the same group of fanboys) A brain parasite would choose death over taking over your Nintendo juice riddled husks.
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Itchy Tickles said:
While exaggerating that 1 copy of game is causing so much damage, the point is simple, the genuine consumer has no way to know if their game was dumped or not until they get their system blocked, by Nintendo. Buying and using 2nd hand games is not illegal or against TOS. You are defending the wrong side.
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You're a joke, insulting people for having different opinions and standards than you.
Maybe take a step back and breath, there is no reason to make these remarks.
 
Itchy Tickles said:
These defenders are absolutely the dumbest people in gaming (And not just about this topic, but it's always the same group of fanboys) A brain parasite would choose death over taking over your Nintendo juice riddled husks.
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Agreed. Gaming would be way better without those kinds of people defending every shitty move their favorite corporation tries to pull off.
 
I collect VHS tapes said:
Is a company never allowed to make a mistake? I personally don't believe that. I guess I hold companies to a different standard.

When the ps3 and even ps4 was around my CoD buddies got banned and unbanned for all sorts of stupid shit.

This is why most things in life have an appeal process. And also why pretty much every single car manufacturers has had recalls (which is a way more serious mistake than banning someone in error). Mistakes happen. I find it weird that people want to hold video game companies to some different standard.

I'd be curious to see out of how many Nintendo consumers, what percentage was impacted. I don't believe a company has to have zero margin of error to be reasonable.

At the end of the day there's going to be people who give a shit about this and people who simply don't care. The people who care will always try to convince the people who don't care. It's happening in this very thread and it's old and boring. People get outraged that others aren't outraged and accuse them of thinking Nintendo is our best friend or something. No, we just don't care nor live in fear. And like I said before more often than not these stories end up just being a bunch of nonsense like some idiot using a MIG switch. We just had a huge thread on it.
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If it is a rare mistake and they quickly correct it then that is fine. I don't want to have to worry about buying used games. No one does. If it is a policy issue then more than likely more people will be affected and everyone should call that out.
 
Same ol G said:
You're a joke, insulting people for having different opinions and standards than you.
Maybe take a step back and breath, there is no reason to make these remarks.
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Surprised you can type with your hands nailed to that cross, oh brave martyr. I am a joke (didn't you imply it is bad to call people names?) for not being a brain dead fanboy and / or calling out disgusting practices? I'm in shambles, not gonna lie. Can we be best friends?
 
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VGEsoterica said:
I mean it's Nintendo and honestly NOTHING they would do would be a surprise at all but this seems low even from them but Nintendo always seems to get extra bold when they taste success.

Now even used Switch games might end up flagging the servers and indicating your Switch 2 might be up for a ban

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That cant be true. Something else is happening here.
 
BlackTron said:
Nintendo CAN tell which carts have been copied when they see the unique identifier being used at the same time all over the world.

They can't tell which 1 of them is the original legit cart.

I'm sorry but if Nintendo can see the same copy being used many times, what do you do? Let it go because ONE of them MIGHT be the original game, which someone decided to dump and share on the Internet before selling mind you lol.
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Err on the side of the consumer is what you do. If Nintendo can't make an accurate determination then that isn't enough data to act on. If I buy a used game I think it legit and get banned for it then that's fucked up and there is simply no excuse for it. Either way, they shouldn't be tracking the IDs of games I'm playing at all. I'm sure they buried some legalese saying they deep in some agreement that no regular person will be able to decipher, but it is still bullshit that corporations do this shit and even worse when consumers defend the practice.
 
Gripsx said:
So if a switch 1 game has been dumped and you insert that cart in the switch 2 you may be flagged?

That cant be good once that cart ends up in the used market.
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This, to me, was always the danger zone I envisioned when they showed us what a MiG was capable of. It's why I'll only buy wrapped games as much as possible any more.
 
BlackTron said:
Nintendo CAN tell which carts have been copied when they see the unique identifier being used at the same time all over the world.

They can't tell which 1 of them is the original legit cart.

I'm sorry but if Nintendo can see the same copy being used many times, what do you do? Let it go because ONE of them MIGHT be the original game, which someone decided to dump and share on the Internet before selling mind you lol.
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So, if Nintendo knows that a specific cart was dumped (which is crazy, btw), then they could simply stop the title from loading instead of banning the system. They could even direct the end-user to a website to turn in the now-defective cart to have it replaced. They could even offer some Nintendo points to make up for the inconvenience.

Stories like this make Nintendo look draconian. They need to loosen their grip a little bit. When you start treating your end-users like criminals, you need to take a step back.
 
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