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1 In 10 Sanders Primary Voters Ended Up Supporting Trump
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water_wendi
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Because the incompetent fucking idiots that run that disastrous campaign are still in power so to do any self-reflection would mean theyd be out of a fucking job.
Rockandrollclown
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Trump and Bernie were both viewed as rebels, not mainstream politicians. Its why a lot of people say Bernie would have won the general even though he lost (fairly) the primary. I certainly heard over and over again that the main appeal of Trump was that "he's not a politician". A lot of people knew Trump was evil, they just felt that the status quo was worse.
Voters don't give a shit about your party labels ?
No one is doing that.
butzopower
proud of his butz
It's like when I'm up 10 - 4 in a game of ping pong, and I want to make that final point real flashy and end up throwing the whole game in the process.
Cesare Borgia
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More Clinton supporters voted for McCain than Sanders supporters voted for Trump. The year is almost over and Clinton supporters are still blaming everyone except the people most responsible: the candidate and her campaign.
As long as Dems still blame sexism and Russia for everything they did wrong and refuse to audit their own leadership we'll probably end up in the same place in 2018.
Not surprising, but supremely dissapointing. Those people never supported Sanders policies, they just voted for him because he made them feel good.
Though as others have said, the rate isn't too out of the ordinary it's still frustrating. It'd be interesting to see how many Clinton supporters would've voted Trump had Sanders won. I feel as if it'd be a similar rate but have no evidence to back that up.
Though as others have said, the rate isn't too out of the ordinary it's still frustrating. It'd be interesting to see how many Clinton supporters would've voted Trump had Sanders won. I feel as if it'd be a similar rate but have no evidence to back that up.
NoblesseOblige
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Nydius
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Precisely. This 10% of primary voters who voted Bernie but then voted Trump in the general weren't listening to anything but their desire to vote ABH: Anything But Hillary.
It's a shame there isn't a much deeper demographic breakdown to be had. I'm genuinely curious how many of these switchers were male and female. Within my own extended family, I found most of the older women to be much more ABH than the men. I mean almost to levels of high school gossip pettiness. But that's just a personal anecdote - albeit one that seems to have some merit based on the exit polling.
SolarPowered
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People in this thread are literally frothing at the mouth in this thread. I honestly don't get it. These seem to be same margins Democrats usually get with AA voters. I fucking WISH white people across the whole age spectrum voted for Democrats half as hard as Bernie supporters and Black people did in this election. Congress would be deep blue.
I occasionally got pretty pissed at Hillary as well, but I blame the electoral college, media, Russia and Comey before I even get to her. The whole electoral system and country failed her (and her voters) more than she failed it/them. Some (a minority just like the most zealous Bernie supporters) Clinton supporters have just got the biggest hate boner for Bernie supporters, though. I don't get it.
*sweats*
Who is saying this?
Look at the spin!
"It was about white voters! Sanders voters are to blame!"
Sanders voters were less than half as likely to switch parties than Clinton voters were
"Only because Clinton acted like Sanders in 2008!"
You still haven't answered the point that despite that AND despite having a white man as an opponent in the general, Sanders voters defected less than half than Clinton voters did.
Clinton was a bad candidate compared to Obama, and Dems lost. It's over. Let it go. Focus on the present and the future.
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Sanders told his supporters over and over and over again that they should support Hillary. The vast majority of his base listened and did so. The minority of his base that were never going to vote for Clinton did not.
TheOfficeMut
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No, we are blaming people who voted for Trump.
NoblesseOblige
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Also this. OP needs to go back to school.
Fenderputty
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This statement lacks as much Nuance as the article. lol
Yep pretty simple.
No one is doing that yet a large portion of vocal Clinton voters on this site still refer to us as "Bernie Bros" so I have to assume some do that.
Randolph Freelander
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12% is low. That is a stupid 12% but that is low. It's far lower than Clinton primary voters who went over to McCain in 2008.
The narrative that Bernie Sanders cost Clinton the election is fucking dishonest, and it's brought up to hide the fact that Hillary was a bottom-of-the-barrel candidate. Maybe if the Democratic primary process hadn't resulted in a shit-tier unwinnable candidate like Clinton we could have avoided the disaster that is Trump? Many of us warned ya'll that it was dangerous to run her against Trump.
Nah, let's keep on blaming Bernie primary voters, even though 88% of us (myself included!) dragged our asses out last November to vote for the least bad option!
This shit should really be in the OP for context.
The narrative that Bernie Sanders cost Clinton the election is fucking dishonest, and it's brought up to hide the fact that Hillary was a bottom-of-the-barrel candidate. Maybe if the Democratic primary process hadn't resulted in a shit-tier unwinnable candidate like Clinton we could have avoided the disaster that is Trump? Many of us warned ya'll that it was dangerous to run her against Trump.
Nah, let's keep on blaming Bernie primary voters, even though 88% of us (myself included!) dragged our asses out last November to vote for the least bad option!
This shit should really be in the OP for context.
Phoenix RISING
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I am saying that the same voters keep defecting and stabbing us in the back over and over again. Less of this time because a bunch of those C->M voters are now just Is/Rs.
Mammoth Jones
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Protip: Running an establishment candidate in a change season was dumb. Gonna be a long time until 2020 *sigh*
I wonder how many sanders supporters ran 3rd party...
I wonder how many sanders supporters ran 3rd party...
I can't believe there's a person who voted Clinton in the primary and switched for the general. Like, it's gonna be Republicans who were voting in the primary for shits and giggles, right? I refuse to believe the alternative.
Muffin1611
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Sirpopopop
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Pieces of information that we're missing out:
A. How many of them were crossover voters trying to gum up the works? (This was a thing in '08, may have been a thing in '16 as well... who knows, no real way to find out.)
B. What percent of the Sanders primary voters did not vote in the general?
A. How many of them were crossover voters trying to gum up the works? (This was a thing in '08, may have been a thing in '16 as well... who knows, no real way to find out.)
B. What percent of the Sanders primary voters did not vote in the general?
NoblesseOblige
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Why? The 2008 Clinton supporters aren't 1:1 the same as the 2016 ones. I pushed for Obama in 2008 and Clinton 2016.
Raylan Targaryen
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I don't even understand the thought process behind this. "The candidate that shares my views didn't win so I'm going to vote for the complete opposite"
You wanted filet mignon but your mom made you choose between rib eye or taco bell steak and you chose the latter
You wanted filet mignon but your mom made you choose between rib eye or taco bell steak and you chose the latter
Azure Dream
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Even better, the Electoral College could've pulled the ripcord on this bullshit, that was the final thing they were good for. But they chose to drive us straight into a wall, full speed.
Phoenix RISING
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I agree that this should put to rest that Bernie Bros are to blame.
shawnbuddy
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Assholes.
No shit.
Because it's not uncommon for primary voters to defect to the opposing party if their primary candidate loses? 1/10 is not much in the grand scheme of things.
Fenderputty
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1/10 is pretty low. So is 1/8 for those who think rounding down is an abomination. He picked up a lot of the "anti establishment" fervor that Trump also tapped into. Like I said ... I'm surprised the total percentage wasn't higher.
Raylan Targaryen
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adamantypants
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Same. There's a lotttt of people in middle America who were trying to latch on to some old white guy
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