This doesn't even make sense. Are you trying to say that the people here who blamed Sanders supporters are the same that voted for McCain over Obama?
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1 In 10 Sanders Primary Voters Ended Up Supporting Trump
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Yes, I'd expect it to be significantly higher among the defectors.
I distinctly remember Hillary supporters gloating they didn't need the "berniebros". Great plan.
Like almost at the Clinton supporters level?
eh, I can't bring myself to get too worked up over these people. People are going to vote for whoever they want. At least they're honest with themselves. I'll reserve my disdain for the people who didn't switch yet engaged in a crusade of bullshit from the left against Hillary and the DNC. People who act like simply casting the right vote absolves them of the damage they caused and continue to cause
You're completely missing my point. Nowhere did I say these factors cannot be discussed, nor am I dismissing quantifiable evidence. My point is the tribalism many are showing in this thread is not helpful in any way. Perhaps I should elaborate?
Bernie fans in this thread should not be dismissing this evidence because they want to blame it all on Hillary.
Hillary fans in this thread should not be blaming this all on Bernie-or-busters because they want to dismiss any blame elsewhere to defend Hillary.
That better?
Euphoria14
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It was poorly worded. Obviously not all voted in both, but Bernie supporters were shit on left and right, blamed for every little thing, yet Bernie supporters showed to be supportive of the very candidate those bashing them supported.
None of it was ever Bernie or his supporters fault.
Yeah, wow, Clinton supporters were shockingly racist. I generally don't think of the modern establishment Democratic party (or voter) being that unabashedly racist against us but here we are. And it's ugly.
We have the Obama->Trump data an I can link it in a few minutes. I'd imagine it's similar.
Father_Brain
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...you seriously think voting for HRC and criticizing the Democratic Party from the left is worse than directly contributing to putting Trump in office? What the hell?
lmao seriously
TangoAlphaLima
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Damn. Don't ever doubt the stupidity of people.
Chmpocalypse
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Thanks a lot, you stupid racist assholes.
Some Sanders supporters were never actually progressive leftists, merely anti-establishment anarchist types wanting to see the system burn. And what better way to fuck everything up than by voting into power a political arsonist like Trump.
Sanders (and Green/Stein) supporters can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
Sanders (and Green/Stein) supporters can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
HomerSimpson-Man
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SMH.
These people never stood for or even cared what the actual policies or ideology Bernie Sanders stood for to vote for the exact opposite end of the spectrum.
These people never stood for or even cared what the actual policies or ideology Bernie Sanders stood for to vote for the exact opposite end of the spectrum.
dehydratedbabies
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So Trump supporters have already been blamed, called names, and have plenty of wished actions of karma to be taken place upon them... but some people here are now blaming Bernie Sanders supporters, "Berniebros", because of the 12% that voted for Trump...that have already been blamed for voting for Trump. We already blamed them in their circle on the venn diagram, don't bring in the whole other circle.
Also it's ridiculous to think 25% or more of Bernie Sanders primary voters voted for Trump. I wouldn't let anecdotal articles (leading up to election) create that perception. That 25%+ quantity of people who pay enough attention to primaries, from their proactiveness, are likely too intelligent enough to vote for Trump or even vote at all. The 10% are the unlikely unfortunately.
Also it's ridiculous to think 25% or more of Bernie Sanders primary voters voted for Trump. I wouldn't let anecdotal articles (leading up to election) create that perception. That 25%+ quantity of people who pay enough attention to primaries, from their proactiveness, are likely too intelligent enough to vote for Trump or even vote at all. The 10% are the unlikely unfortunately.
Did you even read the OP, where 88% of Sanders primary voters supported Hillary? Why should we go fuck ourselves when most of us choked back our vomit and voted for your shitty candidate?
Your anger is way misplaced. You should be mad at Trump voters, Hillary Clinton/her campaign advisers, and the media.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Eww. Clinton supporters. Not even once.
That's over 1 in 10 voters, article says full 12% ...
Depression time.
The only thing I see supporting anything close to this is a "what if" match up poll done half a year before the election. Where are the actual numbers here?
Some real data from Wikipedia:
According to exit polls on Election Day, McCain won the votes of only 10% of Democrats nationwide, the same percentage of Democrats' votes that George W. Bush won in 2004.[5]
Depression time.
The only thing I see supporting anything close to this is a "what if" match up poll done half a year before the election. Where are the actual numbers here?
Some real data from Wikipedia:
According to exit polls on Election Day, McCain won the votes of only 10% of Democrats nationwide, the same percentage of Democrats' votes that George W. Bush won in 2004.[5]
MisterShine
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I ask in ignorance here:
Were there ANY voters here who went Bernie -> Trump? Or even Bernie -> 3rd party in a Purple state?
I live in Ohio but was a big bernie supporter. I heaved plenty of sighs before voting for Clinton but obviously I did it because I'm not a crazy person.
BS to DT is just nuts to me, absolutely nuts.
Were there ANY voters here who went Bernie -> Trump? Or even Bernie -> 3rd party in a Purple state?
I live in Ohio but was a big bernie supporter. I heaved plenty of sighs before voting for Clinton but obviously I did it because I'm not a crazy person.
BS to DT is just nuts to me, absolutely nuts.
dragonfart28
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I think you'd have more Clinton voters in total going to Trump if Bernie had made it through.
1 in 10 is incredibly low, especially considering how naive most Sanders supporters are.
1 in 10 is incredibly low, especially considering how naive most Sanders supporters are.
That's the thing I never got with the anti-Hillary folks.
What was so Centrist about 2016 Hillary? Not 90s Hillary, 2016 Hillary.
You had this strange mix of people who refused to acknowledge that Hillary has basically been evolving all her life, along with people who just personally hated Hillary and distrusted her because they believed the 24 year smear campaign the far right has been running against her.
Anecdotally, the core of Hillary's 2016 primary support, minorities, would have easily gone Sanders. No way they would've ever gone Trump.
Widdle Puppy
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Silly how people will try to infer stuff from these kinds of surveys to blame a particular candidate or group for losing the election. All this tells us is that there are of course swingy racist voters. Not really anything new and it isn't a particularly high precentage of the electorate.
https://www.voterstudygroup.org/reports/2016-elections/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond
Here's the stuff on Obama->Trump voters (presumably, likely to overlap enormously w/ Sanders->Trump voters.)
Here's the stuff on Obama->Trump voters (presumably, likely to overlap enormously w/ Sanders->Trump voters.)
Trump ran as a Le Pen. (He has not governed as one on economic issues, meaning he can be attacked from that front.)
Daria Morgendorffer
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I feel like this is a pretty low number to be honest, also I bet people will use this number to shit on all Bernie supporters.
MisterShine
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I'm veering dangerously off topic here but I've seen this kind of statement a lot and I always ask:
Which part of the smear campaign made her vote for the Iraq war and the Patriot Act? Anyone who makes two colossal and dangerous fuck ups like that can jump in a river.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Not surprising at all considering how off balance some Sanders supporters were (and are), especially when some act like going Clinton over Trump is some Sophie's Choice shit lol
Oh well, America's done now anyway
Oh well, America's done now anyway
titiklabingapat
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These drip drip smells like Republican sabotage to me. I am just as incensed about the Sanders supporters supporting Trump.
The numbers are NOT out of the ordinary. These things happen and even 10% of Republicans supported Clinton. Time to fucking move on. Stop the fucking infighting. Your enemy is Trump and the Republicans. Not EACH other.
Look at my post history btw. I am really hard on Sanders and his supporters.
The numbers are NOT out of the ordinary. These things happen and even 10% of Republicans supported Clinton. Time to fucking move on. Stop the fucking infighting. Your enemy is Trump and the Republicans. Not EACH other.
Look at my post history btw. I am really hard on Sanders and his supporters.
A really small portion of the Democratic Trump voters were also Bernie Supporters, if for no other reason than only 30% of eligible voters even vote in the primaries. So if roughly half of those are Democrats, then that is roughly 40% or so of the democrats that voted in the general that voted in the primaries. So if half of that 40% voted for Bernie, and 12% of that 20% then voted for trump in the general, then that is less than 1/3 of that 9% of trump voting Democrats that were also Sanders voters.
I couldn't find exactly that data on Hillary switchers I n a quick google search, but PUMAs were a thing that was at least public as Sanders-Trump supporters.
I suspect that not too many people dug into those numbers or bothered to report on them because Obama won, so "who cares, in the end?"
TwEE-N-Toast
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If only they were more balanced like your good friend Amir0x.
Gordon Shumway
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Thanks again..
Dreams-Visions
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...fuck.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The fuck are you talking about
TAJ
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Trump would have voted for both so what does that have to do with anything?
You should feel bad about this post. Jesus.
Gordon Shumway
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Jesus Christ, man, that's embarrassingly low.
old manatee
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MisterShine
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It's funny how no one likes to bring up "Obamabros" from 2008, but buy into the Berniebros thing lock, stock, and barrel. Clinton basically ran the equivalent of the Bernie campaign in terms of voters she was going after in 2008 against Obama (aka WWC and Obama's perceived unelectability as a black man), but Obama won and we got 8 years of him.
I think it's a little nuts that 4% of Clinton voters in the primary voted for Trump in the general. What the heck was that group?
Nice to see that despite the very article in the OP stating that this 12% is totally in line with how many people vote for the other party when their candidate loses their primary, plenty of people are taking it as an opportunity to shit on Burnie supporters anyway. I fear for the next 7 years.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Just funny, seeing an Amir0x supporter calling out Bernie supporters for being unbalanced, nothing more.
This was posted on twitter earlier in the day, but those Bernie Bros actually seems to have tilted the results.
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/900164807961305088
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/900164807961305088
Probably the "I hate socialists" Independent group, that wanted to make sure Sanders lost and then voted Republican.
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