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bjb said:
Jordan was playing for the Bulls when the Rockets won their 1995 championship. Sure he wasn't at full strength but he was playing
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Jordan was playing for the Bulls when the Rockets won their 1995 championship. Sure he wasn't at full strength but he was playing
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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Heat in 7 this series that is STILL a series.
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That you, TripleMamba?
As I've said before, Lakers are getting ready for a rebuild. Kobe has been done since they won the first title with Pau. Lamar isn't what he used to be. And something happened to Pau this season that caused his play to drop off.
Kobe is done. His lateral quickness was never elite like Jordan, Iverson or Wade, but now he moves laterally at around the same speed a guy like Granger moves. His lift and explosiveness are gone. Every couple of games are so he can look like old Kobe and catch a dunk or two because he's rested and didn't go all out in the couple of games prior. Kobe makes his living the same way Pierce and Allen do; great footwork combined with shooting, pump fakes and other types of hesitation fakes. Even if he does get a guy pinned on his hip he doesn't have the ability to consistently take them so he will stop short and pull up or do one of his amazing fakes.
When kobe has his man off balance he can be fun to watch with all the skills he shows, but if a guy is wise to what he'll try to do Kobe can be painful to watch. If he was 6'5 instead of 6'7 he would have a lot more trouble getting his shot off because of how much lift and explosiveness he's lost. And this is even though he has excellent body control.
I still think next season will be his last.
Kobe is done. His lateral quickness was never elite like Jordan, Iverson or Wade, but now he moves laterally at around the same speed a guy like Granger moves. His lift and explosiveness are gone. Every couple of games are so he can look like old Kobe and catch a dunk or two because he's rested and didn't go all out in the couple of games prior. Kobe makes his living the same way Pierce and Allen do; great footwork combined with shooting, pump fakes and other types of hesitation fakes. Even if he does get a guy pinned on his hip he doesn't have the ability to consistently take them so he will stop short and pull up or do one of his amazing fakes.
When kobe has his man off balance he can be fun to watch with all the skills he shows, but if a guy is wise to what he'll try to do Kobe can be painful to watch. If he was 6'5 instead of 6'7 he would have a lot more trouble getting his shot off because of how much lift and explosiveness he's lost. And this is even though he has excellent body control.
I still think next season will be his last.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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If only you were there for his mom's Ultrasound...dIEHARD said:
Black Mamba
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Adam Blade said:
haha, nah. I hate that place. Also, I joke about Dwight. This is our team going forward minus a few tweaks. Maybe Lakers can dupe Karl into trading us Felton, but that's about it.
It's about to become Spurs II.
Realtalk: Kobe is 6'5.
Pau Gasol is a scapegoat. That's all Lakers fans have because they won't admit that Kobe is a step slower, Bynum does not deliver as planned (is he at Bosh level even?) and their bench is terrible. I mean, sure, Gasol is not playing well, averaging 13 and 10 more or less against the Mavs... but he's not the sole reason they're on the verge of getting swept.
I doubt this. He was 6'5 without shoes his rookie year and grew to 6'6 in his second season. You play with shoes so he's 6'7 on the court. During is second season the Lakers said there was a chance that he could reach 6'9. His infatuation with Jordan is why he's always listed as 6'6. The same reason Durant is listed as 6'9 even though he's 6'10 or 6'11.Black Mamba said:haha, nah. I hate that place. Also, I joke about Dwight. This is our team going forward minus a few tweaks. Maybe Lakers can dupe Karl into trading us Felton, but that's about it.
It's about to become Spurs II.
Realtalk: Kobe is 6'5.
Since the allstar break Pau has been terrible. He isn't giving what he was before and it shows how important he is to the Lakers.Gabyskra said:
Black Mamba
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Gabyskra said:
you obviously don't read my posts.
eh, I've read for years he's really 6'5. I've stood on the court near him twice and I'm pretty sure he's closer to 6'5 than 6'7. You can really tell how much shorter he is when he stands next to other guys who are legit 6'6, 6'7.
A lot of NBA players fudge their height. Iverson being listed at 6 feet was LOL.
edit: Durant is definitely 6'10 in my view. Also, Kobe is shorter than Sasha Vujacic and Sasha is 6'7.
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SamuraiX- said:
2 things:
1) 5pur5 were swept last year in the playoffs and then
2) lost in 6 to a Grizzlies franchise THAT HAD NEVER WON A SINGLE PLAYOFF GAMES, much less a series.
And they won DAT 61 games.
This round goes to the 5pur5 in a landslide.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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charsace said:
Yeah, what the fuck, Durant is not far from 7 foot to me.
Next thing you know, they will be saying Dirk is 6'8".
TheGreatMightyPoo
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charsace said:
I don't know about all that but looking at Kobe on the court, no way he is 6'5".
He's 6'6" AT LEAST.
benjipwns
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I've never gotten this with the stars. Do they think people won't notice who's actually taller on the team?charsace said:
It's like the whole starting Duncan or whoever at F and then having them guard centers all game long. Or like the weight of everyone ever.
One of those things that just doesn't matter but people insist on.
charsace said:
The problem with Durant is that he can't dribble, nor does he have any semblance of a post game.
It's hard to play him at any other position besides SF at this size.
Personally, I'd put him at the 2 and put either Sef or Frauden at the 3... not like that does shit though.
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benjipwns said:
i understand wanting to say you're taller than you are (barkley, iverson), but I don't understand saying you're smaller.
he's probably 6'5.5 really.
position doesn't mean shit. Lebron plays PG (and Wade). Neither play shooting guard on offense. Either PG or SF.
A lot of SGs play like SF/PG and other guys play like SG (james Jones, Fisher, Peja, etc). Boston is one of the teams where height/position matches up with role.
He dribbles pretty well for a guy his size. He can also do some basic things in the post. Thunder run a shitty offense though. I seriously think Durant and Harden could work really well together in a different type of offense. Harden reminds of Manu. The problem is Westbrook. Westbrook is good, I just don't think he fits in well.SamuraiX- said:
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Black Mamba said:
hehehehehe, I always tell people I am 5'11 & 3/4 because I don't like the way "6 foot" looks or sounds!!!!!
Just thinking about it some more. LA really let Dallas off the hook this series. They panicked and overreacted to gm 1.
Suddenly we go away from Kobe attacking and make Bynum the first option and we don't sniff 100 pts in the next 2 games. Pau still sucks, bench still sucks and defense still sucks but we cut Kobe's production forcefeeding the bigs while he's being guarded by Jason Kidd. Unbelievable...
Suddenly we go away from Kobe attacking and make Bynum the first option and we don't sniff 100 pts in the next 2 games. Pau still sucks, bench still sucks and defense still sucks but we cut Kobe's production forcefeeding the bigs while he's being guarded by Jason Kidd. Unbelievable...
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Cloudy said:
Do you really think Kobe stopped attacking. First off, by attacking you mean shooting long jumpshots, because he didn't take a single shot in the paint in game 1.
Second, none of this prevents 40% 3 point shootin.
Third, Kobe was doubled a LOT these past 2 games.
They didn't overreact. It didn't matter. They took 20 3s in game 2 and made TWO. What does this have to do with feeding the post? Tonight they made what, 2 3s again? It didn't matter.
Black Mamba said:
He has shot 50% on the series. He is a jumpshooter and he's making them at a good clip. Yeah he was doubled a bit but I feel the offense should always go through him.
He took 29 in gm1, then 20, then 16. It's fucking dumb to change the way you played all season looking for mismatches! A lot of those stupid 3s were the bigs (Pau especially) kicking out with the clock running down when they have NOTHING! If you ask the Mavs who they'd rather have shooting, it'd be Bynum over Kobe
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Bynum was 9/16, though. That's better than 50%.
And the offense did run through Kobe all night. But they doubled him a lot. They didn't let him shoot.
the problem is Kobe cannot get into the paint. If he can't drive, the offense bogs down. The triangle RELIES on slashing with the ball. Kobe can't do it right now, whether it's the ankle or whatever. It's painfully obvious.
If that's the case, and they're doubling him, it's tough to get a lot of shots up. The shots went down because Dallas adjusted their defense after game 1. Would I like Kobe to have shot a bit more? Sure. but i didn't really see opportunities for it without driving.
And the offense did run through Kobe all night. But they doubled him a lot. They didn't let him shoot.
the problem is Kobe cannot get into the paint. If he can't drive, the offense bogs down. The triangle RELIES on slashing with the ball. Kobe can't do it right now, whether it's the ankle or whatever. It's painfully obvious.
If that's the case, and they're doubling him, it's tough to get a lot of shots up. The shots went down because Dallas adjusted their defense after game 1. Would I like Kobe to have shot a bit more? Sure. but i didn't really see opportunities for it without driving.
He had the opportunities but they are pounding the ball inside. You guys are ridiculous acting if Kobe is some old guy. He is not a driver. His game is mid-range and he can get off his shot anytime if he wants to.
I will be really upset if Kobe doesn't tell Phil to fuck off in gm4 and at least avoid a sweep..
I will be really upset if Kobe doesn't tell Phil to fuck off in gm4 and at least avoid a sweep..
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Cloudy said:
You need to have your eyes examined. if Kobe could attack, he would. he simply can't. He's never been one to avoid breaking the offense, so why not now?
You just don't want to believe Kobe has slowed down, especially since the injury.
Ok let's have an avatar bet. Kobe will get 30+ next game even though he "can't attack". Will you take that bet?
It's like you didn't see game 1. When Kobe's looking to score, he comes down, goes to his spot and fires. Thjese last 2 games, he's holding the ball on the perimeter and swinging it around or forcing it inside. Disgusting...
It's like you didn't see game 1. When Kobe's looking to score, he comes down, goes to his spot and fires. Thjese last 2 games, he's holding the ball on the perimeter and swinging it around or forcing it inside. Disgusting...
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Cloudy said:
30+ on 50%+ shooting? Or 13/35?
And he's being doubled now. he wasn't doubled in game 1. Those spots aren't there.
I'm sure he will try to shoot more, but he's also due to miss some shots. He's shooting well above his season and career norm on long 2s right now.
I want to see him get into the paint.
Gabyskra said:
This is basically the problem. Some Laker fans are delusional and want to use Pau as the scapegoat. He is defiantly part of the problem, but the Lakers as a whole are playing like shit.
I wouldn't Blame Bynum, and no he isn't as good as Chris Bosh is. Bynum is doing what he can for his skill level. He is a third option guy, having to play a second and sometimes first option roll in these playoffs. Tonight, he is basically the first option. He got his 21-10, he did his job, but in the playoffs, those are second option numbers.
Everyone else, including Kobe let the Lakers down tonight.
Overall for the series, it really isn't Kobe to be blamed. He looked a step behind in the first round, but was producing well for his age in the first two games against Dallas. He isn't young in his prime Kobe anymore. He can't go out and drop 30 a night in the playoffs. It's not going to happen.
The Lakers are not clicking at all, and there seems to be chemistry issues. If they can't come back, this seems like the end of the current Lakers era. If they can't land a top flight FA or trade for a a great player, it may be back to the drawing board for the Lakers shortly.
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benjipwns said:
No, in that game he was trying to prove he needed better players around him. That won't be the case Sunday That team had 0 chance at a title. This one had a good one.
He's not "following a plan." You're delusional. Bynum didn't get a single touch in the 4th quarter. Kobe took some really poor shots in the 4th too. Did you miss those? You're blind.
Amazingly, I actually agree with blackface.
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Cloudy said:
No. because Dallas is up 3-0. They might play lazy defense on him and revert back to game 1 where they let him shoot.
I'm not saying Kobe can't or won't put up 30. But if Dallas plays hard doubles like they did tonight AND Kobe can't attack the hoop, then he won't.
But I don't know what Dallas will do.
What I'm saying is he was trying to prove a point to management that the players around him suck. What point would he be proving this Sunday? That they didn't step up? They already know that. They don't need to trade any of the core players, so I fail to see the reasoning.
And in fairness to Kobe, he stopped in the 2nd half only when they were down 20.
edit: Most Dallas fans were not actually picking Dallas, so let's come down off that high horse (though I agree they ain't experts). Heck, I know a Dallas fan who was just hoping they would win a game or 2.
Hay guyz, just got back from the game.
Fuckkkkkkk it was nuts. Again, the Lakers played well but the Mavs finished. I hate Terry, but Gotdamn can Dirk just ball. Got....damn.
Lakers-age, it was a good run. Kobe shoulda gotten ring number 3. But, thats what happens when you don't have shaq. You get stuck with a puss.
Pooooooop. Poooooooop. Ughhhhh man the game was so good. And the after parties were even better. I dunno, but good luck to Maavs fans.
Fuckkkkkkk it was nuts. Again, the Lakers played well but the Mavs finished. I hate Terry, but Gotdamn can Dirk just ball. Got....damn.
Lakers-age, it was a good run. Kobe shoulda gotten ring number 3. But, thats what happens when you don't have shaq. You get stuck with a puss.
Pooooooop. Poooooooop. Ughhhhh man the game was so good. And the after parties were even better. I dunno, but good luck to Maavs fans.
With out being a troll, outside kobe, is there really anyone who you have to respect from 3 on the lakers? i know ron CAN hit them, but doesn't shoot very many, blake/barnes used to be able too (barnes is extremely streaky though). Odom likes to shoot them but it's never a great idea, and shanon/fisher.... welllllryutaro's mama said:
looking into it. Ron shoot the 3 well in the regular season (.350) but only put up 2.8 a game, making 1 a game.
Barnes is down around .300 (around .200 in the play offs).
Blake surprisingly is around .350 in the post season.
shannon .350 regular, .200 post season
Kobe .333 post season
Fisher .467 post season (.8 made on 1.7 attempted per game)
odom .200 post season.
Apart from fisher (that really surprises me) none of them are really a 3pt threat. Compare that to dudley, .415 for the regular season (1.3 made on 3.1 attempted per 26min), it's just not the same. It would help if someone on the team would make them more consistently, would make doubling bynum/pau in the post much more of a gamble.
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you know that's not the same.perfectchaos007 said:
Black Mamba
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giri said:
It was actually amazing last last season the Lakers essentially won without a 3 point threat outside Fisher.
This season started so promising with Shannon, Blake, Barnes, and Lamar all hitting their 3s. But they cooled off fast and only Fish can consistently hit em, but he's never open anymore. Ron is streaky as fuck, too.
It's really hurt the offense in the playoffs.
I would love to have Dudley on this team. He would fit in well and hit those 3s. Lakers need a 3 point threat in a bad way.
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