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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT2| Love Jesus or I'll cut you
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b.mak said:
But neither of them can get to the rim like Rose can.
People are getting too hung up on what a point guard's role is "supposed to be". In games 1 & 2 the criticism was valid because Rose was ignoring team mates and taking bad shots. He still deserves to be criticised for ignoring his team mates tonight somewhat but he wasn't jacking the ball like he was earlier in the series.
Like seph, I can live with Rose penetrating at will and taking high-percentage shots. Sometimes like tonight the ball just won't drop but most nights if he plays like that, he's on his way to 50%+.
It seems silly to compare Rose to Deron and CP at this point in their careers. The latter 2 have shown court vision and a willingness to distribute that Rose lacks at the moment but Rose has demonstrated an athleticism and ability to penetrate that nobody's has touched since DWade 4-5 years ago. Let's also not forget that CP had 2 pantheon games in the Laker series but for the rest of it he was a non-factor. For better or worse, Rose has been involved in everything for the Bulls.
Whether he's a true PG or not is irrelevant when the fact of the matter is that he's at his best with the ball in his hands. If you slide him over to SG then you're not getting the best out of him. Sure he can hurt you (I mean the Bulls) a bit more when he's playing the point but most nights, the pluses clearly outweigh the minuses.
Let's be real here. He led his team to 62 wins with 2 of his top 3 team mates missing significant time. Yes, his faults have been on show so far in the postseason but so has his brilliance. The hate is outta control.
I know some people are going to reply with "lol LLL AShep" but i've been more than willing to call out Rose and the Bulls thus far. I just think people need to pump the brakes on the Westbrook/Iverson 2.0 shit.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I know you have been, ths guy is a huge ball of frustration but that's because he can play, people here lead you to believe he's a scrub(unless using him like I said) and that's not the case at all. I actually think he's mostly his own worst enemy but he also does't get any help with calls, probably because the refs despise how he behaves like in Kobe's case. Every time he actually makes an authoritative play, you know the offensive foul is coming. Sometimes warranted but he likely leads the league in that. What happened to his fancy and quite effective pivot move close to the basket???? The worst the hater refs can get him on that is travellingSoulPlaya said:
He'll learn with time, and he has to. He won't last long taking the bumps that he does, and he'll learn to be a better distributor and develop a more consistent jump shot. Thankfully, he's shown enough determination to improve, and I trust he will.AShep said:
Regardless of the shots being layup attempts, Rose has to get his team working as a whole. 40% team shooting will not cut it.
The difference between Dirk and every other superstar these playoffs(maybe minus Paul's first round), is that he is using his teammates better than anyone else, despite not being a major ball handler or getting a lot of shots each game, he's getting a lot out of guys who are normally suspect in the playoffs.
The difference between Dirk and every other superstar these playoffs(maybe minus Paul's first round), is that he is using his teammates better than anyone else, despite not being a major ball handler or getting a lot of shots each game, he's getting a lot out of guys who are normally suspect in the playoffs.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You mean the same Hansbrough that was a complete nonfactor in games 2-5????? No wonder Vogel wants a new job.giri said:
lawlohwhat
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lol @ all this dwight trade talk
the entitled attitude that lakers kids have is hilarious
the entitled attitude that lakers kids have is hilarious
Yeah, I really don't know what happened. He used to get calls going somewhat his way during the early part of the season, and the refs just stopped giving it to him. All I could think about when the refs didn't call an offensive foul when Korver took the charge tonight was how the refs called an offensive foul on Boozer in the last game, despite the fact that it was clear that Josh Smith was flopping his ass off.TheGreatMightyPoo said:I know you have been, ths guy is a huge ball of frustration but that's because he can play, people here lead you to believe he's a scrub(unless using him like I said) and that's not the case at all. I actually think he's mostly his own worst enemy but he also does't get any help with calls, probably because the refs despise how he behaves like in Kobe's case. Every time he actually makes an authoritative play, you know the offensive foul is coming. Sometimes warranted but he likely leads the league in that. What happened to his fancy and quite effective pivot move close to the basket???? The worst the hater refs can get him on that is travelling
Adam Blade
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Thank you, based dIEHARD
benjipwns
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You mean this isn't a fair trade?lawlohwhat said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ulgtpu
Game 5TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Hans: 14 & 11
Booz: 2 & 5
Game 4
Hans: 4 & 1
Booz: 15 &13
Game 3
Hans: 10 & 5
Booz: 4 & 11
Game 2
Hans: 6 & 6
Booz: 17 & 16
Game 1
Hans: 22 & 4
Booz: 12 & 6
Total:
Hans: 56 & 27
Booz: 50 & 51
Hansbrough: 1.9Mil
Boozer: 14.4Mil
Boozers gettng paid 7x as much.
benjipwns
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Then we need to set our sights higher!SamuraiX- said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3szpwfy
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Hansbrough was Josh Smith level with the jumper in every game but the first and much worse than Smith near the basket. Please, Josh, remember for next game you are a jumpshooter.
Black Mamba
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1. I wasn't here because of Mother's Day, only recently got home. Not avoiding NBA-AGE. I'm not like that. I take it like a man.
2. Congrats Mavs-age. Mavs earned this series. I still maintain that the Lakers have been tired and ran out of steam in the end. Mavs got hot at the right time (wow terry and peja) and once the Lakers gave away game 1, something you can't do against good teams, the Mavs got confident and with Kobe clearly slowed down and Pau checked out, the Lakers just dug themselves a hole they couldn't climb out of, anymore. Terry, Kidd, Barea, Peja, and of course Dirk were just unbelievable in this series. They played harder and smarter. Can't take anything away from the team that was hungrier.
3. Andrew Bynum. sigh. I won't defend that shit. There is no place in the game for injuring someone, even moreso because you're going home. Dallas beat Lakers and you don't try to hurt their chances going forward. Hell, you can't even commit a hard foul there. Game 2 you can commit a hard foul to send a message (Bynum's was NOT a hard foul, so don't think I'm saying his play is okay in game 2, it's NEVER okay), but not after the series is decided. Lamar is older, he should know better too, but at least his play wasn't really with intent to harm. I get they're frustrated, but come on. That shit was embarrassing. Go out with at least some class. I'm glad Kobe made a point in his presser to denounce what the team did. edit: And yes, Drew deserves a suspension to start next season.
4. It was really sad to see Phil go out like that. I won't lie, I was really sad about seeing him up on that press conference so sullen. He deserved better than what he got today. Really wish he had another home game so the fans could have given him his due. Phil's accomplishments are so astounding when you really think about it. The sport will miss him from so many angles. And I do believe this was his final game ever.
I'm sure a lot of people had fun here and the Lakers expense, and deservedly so. I look forward to them making a run next year, though at least a few changes must be made. I hope Shaw is the coach. They really need one of those midget PGs. The dynasty ain't over until we see how next season goes.
I hope Mavs win the title this year now that the purple & gold are gone. Dirk deserves it as does Kidd. Just don't let me see Terry and Peja shoot 15% in a series from 3. I swear, I will be so mad.
Didn't see the Chicago game; surprised to see them lose again.
2. Congrats Mavs-age. Mavs earned this series. I still maintain that the Lakers have been tired and ran out of steam in the end. Mavs got hot at the right time (wow terry and peja) and once the Lakers gave away game 1, something you can't do against good teams, the Mavs got confident and with Kobe clearly slowed down and Pau checked out, the Lakers just dug themselves a hole they couldn't climb out of, anymore. Terry, Kidd, Barea, Peja, and of course Dirk were just unbelievable in this series. They played harder and smarter. Can't take anything away from the team that was hungrier.
3. Andrew Bynum. sigh. I won't defend that shit. There is no place in the game for injuring someone, even moreso because you're going home. Dallas beat Lakers and you don't try to hurt their chances going forward. Hell, you can't even commit a hard foul there. Game 2 you can commit a hard foul to send a message (Bynum's was NOT a hard foul, so don't think I'm saying his play is okay in game 2, it's NEVER okay), but not after the series is decided. Lamar is older, he should know better too, but at least his play wasn't really with intent to harm. I get they're frustrated, but come on. That shit was embarrassing. Go out with at least some class. I'm glad Kobe made a point in his presser to denounce what the team did. edit: And yes, Drew deserves a suspension to start next season.
4. It was really sad to see Phil go out like that. I won't lie, I was really sad about seeing him up on that press conference so sullen. He deserved better than what he got today. Really wish he had another home game so the fans could have given him his due. Phil's accomplishments are so astounding when you really think about it. The sport will miss him from so many angles. And I do believe this was his final game ever.
I'm sure a lot of people had fun here and the Lakers expense, and deservedly so. I look forward to them making a run next year, though at least a few changes must be made. I hope Shaw is the coach. They really need one of those midget PGs. The dynasty ain't over until we see how next season goes.
I hope Mavs win the title this year now that the purple & gold are gone. Dirk deserves it as does Kidd. Just don't let me see Terry and Peja shoot 15% in a series from 3. I swear, I will be so mad.
Didn't see the Chicago game; surprised to see them lose again.
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lawlohwhat said:
Lakers always get star players. It's just the way it is. West/Baylor era led to Wilt/West era to Kareem/Magic to Shaq/Kobe to Kobe/Pau. team doesn't go long without a star player that takes the team to contention and eventually titles. A combination of the Celtics tradition and prestige, Miami's weather and the type of star power and attention only Hollywood can bring makes it a really attractive place for players. It's not a matter of "IF" the Lakers will get another star like Dwight, it's a matter of "WHEN".
TheGreatMightyPoo
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He's resorting to backpedalling, he actually thought Hansbrough played great in the playoffs, he must have lived vicariously through Tyler after Kurt Thomas hit him with the elbow.SoulPlaya said:
Bam Bam Baklava
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All I've got to say is only this Lakers team would let Phil Jackson go out like that.
Ninja Scooter
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MiDNiGHTS said:
Go out like what? Why are so many people feeling bad for Phil? In 10 years people will remember the guy for 11 rings, 13 Finals appearances, 3 threepeats, this loss will be an afterthought. Phil's gonna be alright. This meant zero to his legacy.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Mark Cuban made him feel better at the end though with the "you're awesome because we won" genuine manboob action.MiDNiGHTS said:
FrenchMovieTheme
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Ninja Scooter said:
yeah, overall this doesn't tarnish his career, but it's his last fucking game and they can't even put up a fight? shameful
Black Mamba
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Ninja Scooter said:
Agree. But I'm sad he didn't get his final ovation as an active coach at staples. I know it sounds weird, but I wish they lost in game 5 and the fans would have given him his due.
not that he needs it, but it would have been nice.
Ninja Scooter
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FrenchMovieTheme said:
I'm sure it'll be eating at him at night while he polishes his 13 rings and blows loads in Jeanies throat on his Montana ranch this summer.
Ninja Scooter
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Puddles said:
He'll be Orlando's problem soon.
This isn't a great source, but
http://juicedsportsblog.com/2011/05/hollywood-nightmare-lakers-done-down-0-3-to-resilient-mavs.html
Really? Who were the other 3?
http://juicedsportsblog.com/2011/05/hollywood-nightmare-lakers-done-down-0-3-to-resilient-mavs.html
Really? Who were the other 3?
Ninja Scooter
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ph33nix said:
Lakers did it in 89 when your avatar overworked Magic and Byron Scott's hamstrings off and they went into the Finals 11-0, only to get swept by Detroit.
Black Mamba
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ph33nix said:
Lakers in '89 Finals to Pistons (injuries thanks to your avatar), Pistons in '91 to MJ. Rockets in '96 to Sonics.
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Miami Heat's dynasty begins this year.
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