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[Hjod]

Yeah what was up with that? Also saw some of my FB friends talking about shooting at Fridhemsplan but can't seem to find anything about it being reported.

Yeah the big media sites reported it at first but the police has searched for evidence of shooting and couldn't find it.

People at work got annoyed with me when I said you can't trust all the reports as there will be false reports (where's that checklist image?).

I know, it's such a fluid situation and media wants to be first so they report uncorroborated stuff just in case.

 

[Jokab]

Well you can't be anything else than native can you?

If your not from here and do crime it's going to spark hatred towards immigration unfortunately

But the people you speak of are swedish citizens. Why does it matter to you if you're born here or if you've acquired a swedish citizenship? It seems you are xenophobic to be honest.

 

[robertsan21]

This is the only bit that we need to remember him writing:



He can claim all sorts of shit, but that is what he actually wrote.

Again read the updated post please as this is not what I meant

 

[azyless]

So you think a terrorist that comes here, he lives here he gets a passport and then starts killing people. You believe majority of Swedish people would se him as Swedish?

It's sad but all my friend and friends of friend think like this. It's kind of fucked up but if you do crime and your not Swedish you will get harder judged unfortunately

What hypothetical situation are you talking about with these "refugees coming here to kill us" ? All recent attacks have been carried by people who were born and bred in Europe and there's no reason to think this is any different.
And if you have the swedish nationality then yes by definition you are swedish, whether you were born there or not, and whether you're a good person or not.

 

[Carn82]

Well you can't be anything else than native can you?

Where do you draw the line? What if your parents are immigrants? Or your grandparents? What is 'native'? Does it matter? The fact is that some people are criminals, and it doesnt matter a single bit where they come from. I know he is not Swedish, but should a guy like Anders Breivik be allowed to hold his 'Norwegian' passport, or consider himself Norwegian?

 

[KingSnake]

In the light of these recurring events I think some safety rules should be applied for the trucks in the city center of big cities. There must be a way to make this kind of attacks less easy to commit.

 

[amanset]

Again read the updated post please as this is not what I meant

Unfortunately I don't believe you. I think you've shown your true colours and are now backtracking.

 

[Muffin1611]

Well you can't be anything else than native can you?

If your not from here and do crime it's going to spark hatred towards immigration unfortunately

And that's okay? There is no primary connection between immigration status and crime probability. Immigrants actually tend to do less crimes than natives. Things like rape etc. aren't majorly done by immigrants, they're majorly done by relatives and acquaintances.

Edit: Nvm, he got rightfully banned.

 

[mf.luder]

This is horrible. When I saw the headline on my news feed I kept saying no no no no.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Again read the updated post please as this is not what I meant

Please read the post where I try to edit out my blatant xenophobia and ignore the one where I let my anger take over and air my true feelings.

It's a sorry sight to see someone not own up to their own words.

 

[Majine]

I can imagine what some of my family members will say about the perpetrator and I don't particularly look forward to it...

 

[SyenceLabb]

Read my post you quoated

It says right there that I am talking about immigrants that do crime! Jesus are you guys blind?

I'm done trying to explain my post as it's taken out of context all the time.

Didn't mean it the way most of you seem to think

This is not the place to have opposing views when it comes to matters such as this. "Go fuck yourself" and "fucking twat" is par for the course if you're not completely in line.

Edit:

Banned. Rookie.

 

[kmax]

Yeah lets have former isis members roam free in our country.. are you serious?

Also these "nationals" your talking about, the majority of the terrorist attacks are done by forigners just cause you are labeled as a "swedish " in you passport doesn't make you Swedish. Especially if you arrives here as a fully
Grown man and refugee and YOU DO crime. The people will hate in them the most and rightfully so.

You're wrong. Anyone that is a Swedish citizen (and thus, has a Swedish passport) is by all means Swedish. You're going into very dangerous and possibly racist territory if you try to argue against that fact. We don't know if this was perpetrated by a Swedish national or not, but racially classifying people to determine citizenship is flat out wrong.

I hate it when I read in news that a "Swedish " man was arrested for rape and you watch to photo of him and find out he is Arab, Chinese, Jew, black or whatever color and that means white too and you Find out that this asshole moved here or fled to us as a refugeee ! We took him in tried to helt and he rappa! so he ain't fucking Swedish in most peoples eyes.

Again, that is so inconsiderate to say. Who cares what color, race, sex the person is. It's irrelevant to the point that you're trying to argue. The absolute majority of people are upstanding, and are just trying to live their lives. There will always be bad apples in any society, so degenerating into illogical madness is not the answer. If a person is a refugee, then he or she is a refugee. If they're a citizen, then they are a citizen. That's the end of it.

 

[GHG]

Seems my post is being misunderstood. Updating it:

Yeah lets have former isis members roam free in our country.. are you serious?

Also these "nationals" your talking about, the majority of the terrorist attacks are done by forigners just cause you are labeled as a "swedish " in you passport doesn't make you Swedish. Especially if you arrives here as a fully
Grown man and refugee and YOU DO crime. I'm talking about criminals only. The people will hate in them the most and rightfully so.

I hate it when I read in news that a "Swedish " man was arrested for rape and you watch to photo of him and find out he is Arab, Chinese, Jew, black or whatever color and that means white too and you Find out that this asshole moved here or fled to us as a refugeee ! We took him in tried to help and he rapes. so he ain't fucking Swedish in most peoples eyes. And this will spread a lot of hate towards immigration and that Sad and all as not everyone is bad. But i can understand Why hate on immigrations happens

Racism: unfiltered.

Thank you for showing us your true colours. Next time please be so kind to be more tactful and choose a better time to let us know how you really feel.

On topic... Really sad news yet again. RIP to the victims .

 

[strafer]

Pictures from the aftermath.

Don't recognise these guys, who are they?

 

[Faustek]

OP PLEASE
or a mod, please edit this in to the OP.

https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/stockholm-sweden-attack-apr07-2017/

Safety check, it's hard to reach all but a quick look there and I saw most of my loved ones being safe.

 

[HellforLeather]

In the light of these recurring events I think some safety rules should be applied for the trucks in the city center of big cities. There must be a way to make this kind of attacks less easy to commit.

I dont think thats the real issue though. They will just use some other normally innocuous aspect of life to turn into a weapon.

 

[| Praxis |]

Just saw some of the images on Twitter. RIP to the victims and the dog.

Hope they catch or kill the fucker(s) quickly.

 

[Rösti]

In the light of these recurring events I think some safety rules should be applied for the trucks in the city center of big cities. There must be a way to make this kind of attacks less easy to commit.

More jersery barriers (we call them "concrete sows" (betongsuggor) in Sweden) could be helpful, on streets where trucks and other vehicles should not be:

 

[Miles Quaritch]

This is not the place to have opposing views when it comes to matters such as this. "Go fuck yourself" and "fucking twat" is par for the course if you're not completely in line.

Edit:

Banned. Rookie.

Xenophobia is an opposing view?

Seriously?

 

[830920]

Don't recognise these guys, who are they?

Nationella Insatsstyrkan would be my guess. Never seen those uniforms either.

 

[Muffin1611]

This is not the place to have opposing views when it comes to matters such as this. "Go fuck yourself" and "fucking twat" is par for the course if you're not completely in line.

News flash: Alleging that attaining citizenship doesn't make you a rightful citizen isn't an "opposing view".

It's xenophobic, and insulting towards any immigrant in any country ever. I'll gladly tell him to go fuck himself if he essentially insults two or three generations of my relatives.

Get out of here with your hot take.

 

[Rösti]

Nationella Insatsstyrkan would be my guess. Never seen those uniforms either.

I think so: https://polisen.se/Om-polisen/Specialkompetenser/Nationella-insatsstyrkan/

 

[Tovarisc]

In the light of these recurring events I think some safety rules should be applied for the trucks in the city center of big cities. There must be a way to make this kind of attacks less easy to commit.

What those safety rules would or could be? Not like drivers can just turn off trucks fully and take keys from ignition because they need power for hydraulics to work.

Don't recognise these guys, who are they?

National Task Force I think, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Task_Force

 

[Hjod]

Don't recognise these guys, who are they?

Insatsstyrkan I think, they are the only police who has that kind of equipment.

The truck wasn't hijacked far from where it crashed. This doesn't seem like it's especially well planed, I don't know, seems weird.

 

[Audioboxer]

Just saw some of the images on Twitter. RIP to the victims and the dog.

Hope they catch or kill the fucker(s) quickly.

A dog was killed? Just goes to show how these attacks come fast out of nowhere with everyday people just minding their own business. It's mum's, dads, kids and in this case even pets.

I dunno why people retweet those kinds of pictures...

 

[Keasar]

Has the National Task Force ever been deployed before? This is the first time I've ever seen them (if they are who we think they are). I remember hearing that they are a pretty newly formed group.

 

[Hjod]

Has the National Task Force ever been deployed before? This is the first time I've ever seen them (if they are who we think they are). I remember hearing that they are a pretty newly formed group.

That's just the English name for Insatsstyrkan and they are deployed quite often.

 

[PinkyMonkey]

Why and how are few of these people living abroad radicalized? Lets look at Indian, millions of muslims live in that country but you do not see continues attacks in India from the muslims who live there. Almost all the attacks come from people outside of the country i.e. Pakistan.

But in Europe, this radicalization keeps happening. What causes this?

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Swede here, visiting my hometown in the north. I got a train and airplane to catch on sunday. What are the odds my train will be cancelled? My flight is at Skavsta so it shouldn't be affected.

Surreal seeing the images considering I was there less than a week ago.

Stay safe Sweden, stay pragmatic and don't let anger consume you. There are assholes everywwhere, and if this is the result of fundamentalists, rmember that hatred will never remove the cause of the issue.

 

[Keasar]

That's just the English name for Insatsstyrkan and they are deployed quite often.

I meant the Nationella Insatsstyrkan. I mean, we have the Piketen and I thought it was mostly them who have been used in any high profile cases so far while the NI was in reserve for, well, this kind of incident.

 

[Rösti]

Has the National Task Force ever been deployed before? This is the first time I've ever seen them (if they are who we think they are). I remember hearing that they are a pretty newly formed group.

In connection with the reorganization of the police in 2015, NI was placed under the National Operations Department (NOA).

Source: https://polisen.se/Om-polisen/Specialkompetenser/Nationella-insatsstyrkan/

I do not remember them being deployed in this current capacity before.

 

[Tacitus_]

More jersery barriers (we call them "concrete sows" (betongsuggor) in Sweden) could be helpful, on streets where trucks and other vehicles should not be:

They'd help vs something like this, but what about when an ambulance or a fire truck needs to get closer? Of course, you could get the retractable ones, but those cost a lot more. Not to mention what sort of mentality that would breed.

 

[Audioboxer]

Why and how are few of these people living abroad radicalized? Lets look at Indian, millions of muslims live in that country but you do not see continues attacks in India from the muslims who live there. Almost all the attacks come from people outside of the country i.e. Pakistan.

But in Europe, this radicalization keeps happening. What causes this?

The radicals and extremists hit everywhere in the world. A lot of Europe is just a big target in their eyes as they harbour anti-Western sentiments and dislike how Islam is not a predominant religion in many of these countries, and isn't in law, at all. A lot of the indoctrination is severe hate of the West, in all shapes and forms. Hate the freedoms we have and hate a lot of the secular values our countries have (freedom of religion / freedom of speech).

Radical Islamists slaughter Muslims in the thousands in the Middle East, though. I mean, they kill far more Muslims than they do Europeans or Americans. It tends to get a lot of MSM coverage here because acts of terror on our streets are not common, so the country and people are never expecting it. Where as in some dictatorships and hostile countries in the Middle East daily explosions and killings are sadly often in play.

Do not mistake that for nothing happening "abroad". It's sadly common ignorance to not know the biggest targets of radicals are Muslims themselves. Hence you have so many refugees and others fleeing for their lives.

 

[Hjod]

I meant the Nationella Insatsstyrkan. I mean, we have the Piketen and I thought it was mostly them who have been used in any high profile cases so far while the NI was in reserve for, well, this kind of incident.

Source: https://polisen.se/Om-polisen/Specialkompetenser/Nationella-insatsstyrkan/

I do not remember them being deployed in this current capacity before.

Ah ok, no I don't think so, I thought they were the same, didn't know there was a Nationell Insatsstyrka.

Sorry, my misstake.

 

[MBR]

I read on SVT-nyheter that the driver of the truck didn't lock the cabin after getting out to unload, and that was what made it possible to hijack the truck. Can't blame him, I guess, it's probably common to leave the keys while you're "just doing a quick delivery".

 

[Rösti]

SVT further reports that the malls Mall of Scandinavia in Solna, Heron City in Kungens Kurva, Sickla köpkvarter and Täby Centrum have been closed for security reasons.

Source: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/live/dad-i-stockholm

 

[Staf]

Fuck. This is so fucking depressing. I'm gonna pour myself a whisky.

 

[kmax]

A better picture of the POI.

 

[Rösti]

A better picture of the POI.

Someone during the press conference earlier asked what he is holding. Could it be some sort of beverage cup perhaps? Or is it a phone?

 

[Faustek]

Considering the majority of attacks in Europe have been by nationals of the countries attacked and never set a foot in ISIS territory, that doesn't seem particularly effective.

Majority of Terror attacks in Europe has been by nationals indeed.

Lets look at terrorism in Sweden during modern times.

West German embassy siege by the Red Army.
The murder of our PM Olof Palme.
Nazis killing John Hron.
The planned bombings of the Ecce Homo art gallery by Christians.
NRM(nazis) Murdering a Journalist and setting firebombs at asylum housings.
John Ausonius killing anyone brown he could see.
The Stockholm bomber that managed to kill himself and no one else, thankfully.
The planned murder of Lars Vilks.
The idiot that ran around a school with a Sword and stabbed people.
The idiot that tried to make a homemade bomb with a pressure cooker .
The gathering of idiots running around the T-central attacking everyone brown and then running.
And during all these years there have been nazi attacks on asylum homes, immigrant dense areas, even so that the Swedish Migration Board have warned about certain parties and groups to immigrants that have been granted asylum.
And now this.

Yepp. No one sees the Nazis, Christians or people specifically attacking minorities as terror. It's just "meh" then. I reckon as long as the majority feels safe it's all ok to have your head up your ass just smelling that shit thinking everything is fine.

SVT further reports that the malls Mall of Scandinavia in Solna, Heron City in Kungens Kurva, Sickla köpkvarter and Täby Centrum have been closed for security reasons.

Source: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/live/dad-i-stockholm

Yepp, brorsan vart utkörd därifrån nyss men enligt han så var allt lugnt där, då iaf.

 

[Mohonky]

The radicals and extremists hit everywhere in the world. A lot of Europe is just a big target in their eyes as they harbour anti-Western sentiments and dislike how Islam is not a predominant religion in many of these countries, and isn't in law, at all. A lot of the indoctrination is severe hate of the West, in all shapes and forms. Hate the freedoms we have and hate a lot of the secular values our countries have (freedom of religion / freedom of speech).

Radical Islamists slaughter Muslims in the thousands in the Middle East, though. I mean, they kill far more Muslims than they do Europeans or Americans. It tends to get a lot of MSM coverage here because acts of terror on our streets are not common, so the country and people are never expecting it. Where as in some dictatorships and hostile countries in the Middle East daily explosions and killings are sadly often in play.

Do not mistake that for nothing happening "abroad". It's sadly common ignorance to not know the biggest targets of radicals are Muslims themselves. Hence you have so many refugees and others fleeing for their lives.

You can add large parts of the African continent to this also. The shit happening there (and has happen in the past) is nothing short of horrendous. Its incomprehensible to my mind how anyone can do some of the things that occur there. My mind would break, how people can build tolerances to it is beyond me.

 

[Audioboxer]

You can add large parts of the African continent to this also. The shit happening there (and has happen in the past) is nothing short of horrendous. Its incomprehensible to my mind how anyone can do some of the things that occur there. My mind would break, how people can build tolerances to it is beyond me.

True, I often forget about Africa which is my own ignorance. A lot of the worst cases of FGM come out of Africa too. Hence, a lot of the times it is the people abroad who are suffering the most around extremists. Which is why many do try to flee and seek refuge in our countries.

Then we get some of our own loonies then blanket telling a lot of these people to fuck off. Which really doesn't help things given how the majority of them are fleeing extremism and radicalisation themselves. Sure, some radicals slip in, but we require nuance to fight that not heavy handed travel bans and people being inhumane.

 

[Faustek]

You can add large parts of the African continent to this also. The shit happening there (and has happen in the past) is nothing short of horrendous. Its incomprehensible to my mind how anyone can do some of the things that occur there. My mind would break, how people can build tolerances to it is beyond me.

We don't need to go that far. Look at Ukraine. Last estimates have it at 10k deaths and people still go to work. That's a war happening.

 

[YourMaster]

Again, that is so inconsiderate to say. Who cares what color, race, sex the person is. It's irrelevant to the point that you're trying to argue. The absolute majority of people are upstanding, and are just trying to live their lives. There will always be bad apples in any society, so degenerating into illogical madness is not the answer. If a person is a refugee, then he or she is a refugee. If they're a citizen, then they are a citizen. That's the end of it.

That's very naive. Yes, it is always important to realize that even if some hypothetical social group consists for 90% out of terrorists, that still means there are people left that are innocent and they should not be punished for crimes they did not commit.

However, if you want to make policies, you need to know what social groups suffer from or cause what types of problems. If only young females do bad in school, adept school for them, not for old men. If black people are beaten up at night, try to look for perps hating black men and or look into what specifically makes these people more likely victims. If there are several terrorists inspired by Islam, try to improve islam or look into processes why people go into violent islam over peaceful islam. Social groups matter for social policies.
And to keep calling people that are members of a political/religious organization that base their attacks from the teachings of their organization - orthodox islam - 'lone wolves' help nobody.

 

[michaelius]

True, I often forget about Africa which is my own ignorance. A lot of the worst cases of FGM come out of Africa too. Hence, a lot of the times it is the people abroad who are suffering the most around extremists. Which is why many do try to flee and seek refuge in our countries.

Then we get some of our own loonies then blanket telling a lot of these people to fuck off. Which really doesn't help things given how the majority of them are fleeing extremism and radicalisation themselves. Sure, some radicals slip in, but we require nuance to fight that not heavy handed travel bans and people being inhumane.

Many people suffer but partisan like organizations can't survive without local support. So at least part of locals are turning blind eye or quietly help them in those countries.

 

[Tovarisc]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/850393094222753793

 

[Faustek]

Got citizenship and just applied to join Försvarsmakten (Military)

Heyo! Over 20 years since I did my tour in Lumpen and then a few years later with IA and UN. Hope it goes great for you. Just remember to "vara vaksam mot Fi i mörka skogen"....if they still do that.

But the people you speak of are swedish citizens. Why does it matter to you if you're born here or if you've acquired a swedish citizenship? It seems you are xenophobic to be honest.

This is a unknown thing. Friends that see me as a Swede never reflected that anyone else could see me as a non Swede and I always chuckle when I have to tell them that I've been called racial slurs, been attacked for the past 35 years.

____________

Police have taken in two people for questioning Swedish source.

 

[Audioboxer]

Many people suffer but partisan like organizations can't survive without local support. So at least part of locals are turning blind eye or quietly help them in those countries.

Easier said than done when local resistance often equals right to torture and death if you're caught (legally sanctioned by Governments). These often aren't open democracies where you can debate, criticise and openly speak your mind. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two massive pillars of lifting a society forward. Hence how oppressive and suppressive some of the worst authoritarian/totalitarian states are where to speak your mind or step out of line will equal jail, harm or even death.

Resistance groups/individuals need more global support than anything.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Yeah lets have former isis members roam free in our country.. are you serious?

Also these "nationals" your talking about, the majority of the terrorist attacks are done by forigners just cause you are labeled as a "swedish " in you passport does make you fucking swedish. If your not born here you will never be considers true Swedish by most people.

I hate it when I read in news that a "Swedish " man was arrested for rape and you watch to photo of him and find out he is Arab, Chinese, Jew, black etc etc this asshole moved here or fled to us as a refugeee so he ain't fucking Swedish

Woah. Holy fucking shit.