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A vehicle has been driven into people in the Swedish capital Stockholm, injuring many
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Rösti
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It's actually a common reaction I have heard and this is from highly educated people as well.
"was it a SWEDE or a swede?"
Followed by some assurance that they didn't mean it like that.
Sort of like how you're using this as an opportunity to criticize the SD or whatever that is. Surely you see the irony right. Some kind of terrot attack happens and the first thing is, oh no I hope others don't use it to further their ideology.
Rest in peace to those harmed. Still awaiting on details.
yeah... please don't let robertsan21 fool you how Swedes think, he's way off scale.
He is not a good example, and as a fellow Swede I thank you for banning him.
This is really sad, just a couple of days ago there was a major bus accident involving many children as it was a school trip.
That still is affecting all of us here in Sweden. That accident resulted in 3 children dead and many injured.
So to have this build up with another incident is affecting many here in Sweden.
He is not a good example, and as a fellow Swede I thank you for banning him.
This is really sad, just a couple of days ago there was a major bus accident involving many children as it was a school trip.
That still is affecting all of us here in Sweden. That accident resulted in 3 children dead and many injured.
So to have this build up with another incident is affecting many here in Sweden.
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Rösti
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Strategic offensives by land and sea seems to me the best alternative. And whatever diplomatic measures towards the Syrian government can be used to create stability.
It is a difficult situation not helped by the political climates in the US, Turkey and Russia.
Avoiding the big cities (especially capitals!), ghettos, and generally crowded places might help. The quieter towns usually have lower house prices and a surprising job market if you do your research!
People might tell you that this is white flight and racist, but i consider personal safety to outweigh the consequences of carrying that brand.
Already past the point of no return. Especially with this mass migration and rising ultranationalism. Germany itself brought in over 2 million migrants from all over. Many will be assimilated sure, others will move to the fringe without proper language speaking skills, culture differences, won't acclimate. You will see more ethnic slums where cops ans citizens won't go. You will see poverty and crime increase because these people will have few economic opportunities to be upwardly mobile. Additionally, as 2nd and 3rd generations of migrants grow, they get drawn to ideals like ISIS. Tired of being a whitewashed westerner, embrace your religion, fight for your motherland etc. It is why they target lone wolves, people straddling west/east culture. It is why a lot of recent converts become EXTREMELY hardline because they want to prove they belong. Just tough.
Liljagare
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Is nice to read, people on FB offering places to skeep, grocery stores asks parents to call if they have kids home alone, they will fix dinner, pizza places making sure people get something to eat on their walk home.
But a eloge to the security guards onsite, they immediately provided first aid, guided people outwards and then covered victims with blankets.
Nice to see the good side of mankind when it is needed.
But a eloge to the security guards onsite, they immediately provided first aid, guided people outwards and then covered victims with blankets.
Nice to see the good side of mankind when it is needed.
eyeball_kid
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My thoughts go out those affected. My heart sank when I read the news this morning. I've been to Stockholm and have a friend there. Beautiful city and such a friendly people.
The area that my friend lived in was in the suburbs, in what seemed to be a mostly immigrant neighborhood. I thought it sort of strange at the time that so many immigrants were living outside of the city, reminded me of Paris. Obviously we don't know the reasons this person would commit such a horrible act, but I wonder if Sweden as a policy initiative needs to do more to make sure that communities are diverse and inclusive.
The area that my friend lived in was in the suburbs, in what seemed to be a mostly immigrant neighborhood. I thought it sort of strange at the time that so many immigrants were living outside of the city, reminded me of Paris. Obviously we don't know the reasons this person would commit such a horrible act, but I wonder if Sweden as a policy initiative needs to do more to make sure that communities are diverse and inclusive.
Tell me, is there such a thing as a White African? Can you describe to me what a native Australian looks like?
Edit. Banned. Can't say I'm surprised.
SiegfriedFM
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This. Everyone is pulling together to make the best of the situation. #openstockholm
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I work 500m from where it happened. It's scary that these things can happen so close to you and you have no idea until a coworker checks Facebook.
Really odd mood in town. Thankfully the subways have started rolling so I can get home now.
Really odd mood in town. Thankfully the subways have started rolling so I can get home now.
An apartment that isn't tiny is around 1.5 million euros. Guess who have a harder time getting a loan if they can't "cash" it.
Yes, we really do need to step up our integration work instead of just throwing people in the same spot and even then a majority will move to those places. Again the human factor, stay with what you know :/
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Rösti
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I thought they would be closed at least for the remainder of today. Ah well, good that you and many others can return home.
Added: SR (Sweden's Radio) now says 3 dead, 15 injured.
Confirmed that 1 victim has died at ahospital according to Swedish Radio SR interview with Johan Bratt chief doctor.
15 injured, 9 seriously wounded. 2 wounded are children, 1 seriously wounded.
According to Aftonbladet, one man has been arrested at a suburb and has confessed being guilty.
"Enligt flera källor till Aftonbladet har en man gripits i Märsta i en insats på fredagskvällen.
Mannen ska ha uppvisat lindriga skador och sagt att han är skyldig till attentatet i Stockholm. Enligt källuppgifter passar mannen in på signalementet som gått ut."
"15 personer är skadade och en död efter det misstänkta terrordådet i Stockholm, uppger Karolinskas chefsläkare för Ekot. Nio av dem är allvarligt skadade. Två av de skadade är barn, en allvarligt och en lindrigt. Den avlidne är vuxen."
Sources: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/live/dad-i-stockholm and sr.se
15 injured, 9 seriously wounded. 2 wounded are children, 1 seriously wounded.
According to Aftonbladet, one man has been arrested at a suburb and has confessed being guilty.
"Enligt flera källor till Aftonbladet har en man gripits i Märsta i en insats på fredagskvällen.
Mannen ska ha uppvisat lindriga skador och sagt att han är skyldig till attentatet i Stockholm. Enligt källuppgifter passar mannen in på signalementet som gått ut."
"15 personer är skadade och en död efter det misstänkta terrordådet i Stockholm, uppger Karolinskas chefsläkare för Ekot. Nio av dem är allvarligt skadade. Två av de skadade är barn, en allvarligt och en lindrigt. Den avlidne är vuxen."
Sources: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/live/dad-i-stockholm and sr.se
hydrophilic attack
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Subway started up 45 minutes ago, so I'm finally getting home. I'll walk the last part since heavy traffic means irregular bus service
The Central Station was completely closed down and evacuated. So eery seeing the usually very crowded platform all empty as the train was going past
The Central Station was completely closed down and evacuated. So eery seeing the usually very crowded platform all empty as the train was going past
hydrophilic attack
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Their ideology is essentially built on a foundation of neo-nazism. So that might explain my concern. They're our local brand extreme right party. Part of why I reacted the way I did. But I see how that could be seen as ironic, since I'd be politicizing their deaths in the first place. Sorry if I offended anyone.
Edit: They caught the bastard? Good. I hope he was just acting alone.
Rösti;233543960 said:
Three dead is a low number, all things considered, I hope that number doesn't rise
. My thoughts to the friends and family of the victims though.Calamari41
41 > 38
Pictures floating around of victims' bodies torn completely apart, be careful if you don't want to see that kind of thing.
This is Sweden, that will not happen.
It's nice to see the city come together like this to help people out
You messed your link up, there's an extra "http://" at the end of it.
There's also
. Which to me reads that you can get 18 years in Jail without a life inprisonment sentencing
Funky Papa
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All of this is hyperbole. There's a bigger chance of slipping in the bathtub and killing yourself than dying in a terrorist attack.
I mean, did any of you live during the 70's and 80's? Because terrorist groups were having a field day back then across Europe.
The only difference is that islamic terrorist tend to favour mass attacks that create more casualties in a single event, but it really feels like nothing compared to the continuous dripping of shootings and car bombs we had back then. I've never felt safer.
hydrophilic attack
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I'm normally in favour of not locking people up for life, but for as long as he is deemed a danger to other people they should be able to keep him behind bars
... You know there are people in prison here that have been incarcerated for decades and will so for the remainder of their lives?
BlazingDarkness
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General option aint gonna apply to a terrorist attack.
All of this is hyperbole. There's a bigger chance of slipping in the bathtub and killing yourself than dying in a terrorist attack.
I mean, did any of you live during the 70's and 80's? Because terrorist groups were having a field day back then across Europe.
The only difference is that islamic terrorist tend to favour mass attacks that create more casualties in a single event, but it really feels like nothing compared to the continuous dripping of shootings and car bombs we had back then. I've never felt safer.
That's the kinda statistic that puts my mind at ease a bit, it's important to recognize the downward trend. I never knew the first few months of my life were so dangerous though
does Sweden have "preventive detention" like Germany and Norway? As far as I know it's against EU law since Germany is regularly reminded to abolish it
Not sure if this has been posted but bugger me the speed on the truck!
https://twitter.com/Expressen/statu...Update_ca9c118e-1bbd-11e7-9adb-0e069a0981ee/0
You don't see anyone being injured.
https://twitter.com/Expressen/statu...Update_ca9c118e-1bbd-11e7-9adb-0e069a0981ee/0
You don't see anyone being injured.
hydrophilic attack
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Yup.
Look at Anders Behring Breivik in Norway. Normally they don't lock people up for life, but an exception is made for people like him who are considered dangerous
If current laws absolutely not allow it, they will charge them
Skellig Gra
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No point in that, if you want to jail the person for life just have them executed. Prison is supposed to be for rehabilitation.
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Rösti
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For reference, Mijailo Mijailović, the murderer of then Ministry for Foreign Affairs Anna Lindh was sentenced to life in prison.
Sweden does not have capital punishment however.
You talk like someone that has no idea how Sweden actually works.
This is already the case.
Pancake Mix
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Such a terrible event. Absolutely horrific.
I hope they catch the terrorist.
I hope they catch the terrorist.
hydrophilic attack
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No. The government should not kill people. Prison isn't only for prevention, it's also for keeping everyone else safe. If they deem him fully rehabilitated not a danger 20 years from now, I would be in favour of releasing him.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Things have been worse, sure. The chart shows small numbers of terrorism deaths aside from Madrid in 2004 and then giant spikes in 2015 and 2016 (which isn't pictured)
Just because things were once worse doesn't mean there hasn't been a significant uptick in the past few years.
More or less.
We have a life in prison but usually they are set to a fixed period, but it isn't a certainty and people can be in prison for life
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Pretty much every Western country outside the United States does not operate their justice system in that fashion.
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andthebeatgoeson
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The implication is, 'I feel better knowing it wasn't one of us.'
Liljagare
Member
It does, it is called psykvård. Psychiatric "care".
Many interesting stories to read up on about it. Lasermannen is still trying to get out.
But, one thing to remember is that we really have a treating justice, rehabilitory, instead of a "punishment" system. But, the worst, they are still in, most pretty much are doped up until they die.
They don't write much about that in the papers though.
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Rösti
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It is also for the protection of society.
yanipheonu
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My sister flew out of Stockholm so this hit close to home, luckly her flight was way before this happened.
Stay strong Sweden.
Stay strong Sweden.
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