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A vehicle has been driven into people in the Swedish capital Stockholm, injuring many

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It's not, really. Sure, these people hope we will turn against each other (or against immigrants/Muslims), and we shouldn't, but you can't stop this with hugs.
Sure, all of that is needed. But that won't have any effect for 10 years or more. It's the same issue as the gang violence in our suburbs. Early efforts, etc, sure, that's all good, but what about NOW? Are we just gonna sit back and watch the world burn?
... the world burn? Jesus dude take a breather.

Guy got in a truck and drove into people. That's what you know right now and you want a way to stop it. Maybe wait for further details and try to be reasonable.
 

Tacitus_

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But it takes 2 for this to happen and thats the problem with fundamentalists, one is a law set by people, the other is a law set by an infallible overseer. Thats the problem. If you accept the idealogy that the way in which your life should be lived is prescribed to you by a all knowing power, anything to the contrary is dismissed. There is no give and take in such a situation.

If we're talking about muslims, it's not like they're all fundamentalists. I'm talking about finding out what starts to radicalise them up here in the north and whether anything could be done to stop it from happening.
 
I work in Stockholm sometimes and I usually walk by that exact spot if I've been shopping before going to the hotel. Fuck this guy and fuck those who try to benefit from it, and fingers crossed for Sweden staying the same.

Also, while it's horrible and unexpected, people get killed in random accidents every day. A bunch of kids got killed in a bus accident just the other day. Life is precious either way. Let's try not to break down everything we've worked for for decades as a kneejerk reaction.

Also, Facebook contacts de-friended: 1
 

Musician

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From polisen.se (swedens official police site)

"Ingen är i nuläget gripen i ärendet."

"Currently nobody has been arrested (regarding the attack)"

Shit...
 

Forsete

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From polisen.se (swedens official police site)

"Ingen är i nuläget gripen i ärendet."

"Currently nobody has been arrested (regarding the attack)"

Shit...

Just check the CCTV.... oh, right. We dont have any.

Damn, this could take a long time if they haven't already arrested someone. Police resources as we all know are already on its knees.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Damn.

I live a block away. Decided to work from home today.

Everything is on lockdown, so I'm stuck here. My GF works right next to where it happened and has managed to get herself away from the area.

Helicopter been buzzing overhead for the last few hours.
 

Hjod

Banned
I was having a coffe with a friend when this happened, I don't live in Stockholm but another Swedish city. Now there is a police car blocking every main street in the city. It's surreal.

And to my Swedish brothers and sisters, stand in solidarity, don't let the fucks who did this win, don't let fear and hate win. My thoughts are with those who lost someone and everyone affected.
 
OH fuck off. I didn't bring him into anything. I jsut said that I am pretty much fed up with humanity and it's behaviour. Don't get your knickers in a twist. Just named another example of human shitty behaviour, that happened to be Trump supporters. I never mentioned him directly. But hey, go be angry then, attack me over the so called slight of daring to mention your precious supreme oompaloompa. This weekend I don't care anymore the entirety of humanity is shit.

So logging right now. Bye.

Grow up
 

strafer

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That hashtag thing is a nice thing.

Inviting people home who have trouble getting out of stockholm and need somewhere to stay.
 

CoolOff

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The entire street with the yellow line is for pedestrians only.
 
Do we have word on who the terrorist in Stockholm was? Please dont be a Muslim. Please dont be a Muslim. Please dont be a Muslim.....
 

Mohonky

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If we're talking about muslims, it's not like they're all fundamentalists. I'm talking about finding out what starts to radicalise them up here in the north and whether anything could be done to stop it from happening.

Of course not all are but at this point in time you see these headlines and you already know where its heading; not all are, but definitely too many.

When ISIS first popped up, it was a rude awakening to see just how many people were prepared to up and leave Europe (and even here in Australia and other nations) and head off to join them. That so many people prepared to leave and take up arms in such a brutal and twisted society should have been a big warning. Since then, we've seen multiple attacks every year.

I'd love to be an optimist and say in an ideal world, Europe is doing the right thing, but in reality its just going to get worse. Sure your only seeing a small percentage taking the spotlight because of things like this, but even if its less than 1%, when you look at the over all numbers, thats still simply far too many
 

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The entire street with the yellow line is for pedestrians only.

I've walked that street so many times. It's usually very crowded with tourists as it leads down into the "old town" district. 3 dead and 8 wounded sounds very low concidering how cramped it usually is.

It's also a bit wierd as there are a lot of statues of lions at more or less every crossing street. How did he get passed those? Can you just drive in the middle?

Maybe I'm missremembering.
 

MUnited83

For you.
Arrest assholes that fight for isis but return to our country and can live as free men?

Don't let just anyone in. Make fucking background checks!
Thats a start at least. Let women with kids in.
Considering the majority of attacks in Europe have been by nationals of the countries attacked and never set a foot in ISIS territory, that doesn't seem particularly effective.
 
Awful. I hope Swede-GAF stays safe. I also hope your country's leaders have a steady hand and don't go batshit crazy and sign shitty laws like our Patriot Act after this.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
Awful. I hope Swede-GAF stays safe. I also hope your country's leaders have a steady hand and don't go batshit crazy and sign shitty laws like our Patriot Act after this.

We have a left wing government, I don't see them doing anything nutso.
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
Hopefully the person whos truck got hijacked will be able to identify the terrorist.
I think he was unloading things from the back when he jumped in the drivers seat and took off, hopefully someone saw something. It's hard to believe in such a crowded area no one did.
 

Easy_D

never left the stone age
I think he was unloading things from the back when he jumped in the drivers seat and took off, hopefully someone saw something. It's hard to believe in such a crowded area no one did.

Unfortunately he was coveirng his face.
 

Tacitus_

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Of course not all are but at this point in time you see these headlines and you already know where its heading; not all are, but definitely too many.

When ISIS first popped up, it was a rude awakening to see just how many people were prepared to up and leave Europe (and even here in Australia and other nations) and head off to join them. That so many people prepared to leave and take up arms in such a brutal and twisted society should have been a big warning. Since then, we've seen multiple attacks every year.

I'd love to be an optimist and say in an ideal world, Europe is doing the right thing, but in reality its just going to get worse. Sure your only seeing a small percentage taking the spotlight because of things like this, but even if its less than 1%, when you look at the over all numbers, thats still simply far too many

Yeah, this has been eye opening to say the least. But even still, I like to think that we are more or less on the right path. Just need a small course correction. I just hope that our governments actually do something about it instead of just going "nope, everything is fine" AND that we avoid knee jerky reactions to the political right, because that's not going to help anyone.
 

Majine

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I think he was unloading things from the back when he jumped in the drivers seat and took off, hopefully someone saw something. It's hard to believe in such a crowded area no one did.

Drottninggatan has camera surveillance I think.

Anyway, I'm going into murky waters here.
 

2MF

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If we're talking about muslims, it's not like they're all fundamentalists. I'm talking about finding out what starts to radicalise them up here in the north and whether anything could be done to stop it from happening.

Indeed, the fundamentalists are rare. But the "us and them" mentality probably helps these things happen, and it is alive and well in Sweden. I had a muslim friend there who was born in Sweden and rarely went to his parent's country and he still regularly used expressions such as "those Swedes".

This will take generations to fix.
 
Man, these fucking people really did find a way to murder and injure groups of people as easily as possible, huh? How do you protect against that?
 

Tacitus_

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Indeed, the fundamentalists are rare. But the "us and them" mentality probably helps these things happen, and it is alive and well in Sweden. I had a muslim friend there who was born in Sweden and rarely went to his parent's country and he still regularly used expressions such as "those Swedes".

This will take generations to fix.

Yeah, integration needs both sides to want it. But we can't just give up on it.
 
Considering the majority of attacks in Europe have been by nationals of the countries attacked and never set a foot in ISIS territory, that doesn't seem particularly effective.
Seems my post is being misunderstood. Updating it:

Yeah lets have former isis members roam free in our country.. are you serious?

Also these "nationals" your talking about, the majority of the terrorist attacks are done by forigners just cause you are labeled as a "swedish " in you passport doesn't make you Swedish. Especially if you arrives here as a fully
Grown man and refugee and YOU DO crime. I'm talking about criminals only. The people will hate in them the most and rightfully so.

I hate it when I read in news that a "Swedish " man was arrested for rape and you watch to photo of him and find out he is Arab, Chinese, Jew, black or whatever color and that means white too and you Find out that this asshole moved here or fled to us as a refugeee ! We took him in tried to help and he rapes. so he ain't fucking Swedish in most peoples eyes. And this will spread a lot of hate towards immigration and that Sad and all as not everyone is bad. But i can understand Why hate on immigrations happens
 
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