mckmas8808
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Good to see all three consoles do well.
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Aaron Greenberg: "in December, Xbox One outsold PS4" NPD
hikarutilmitt
Member
Pretty much this.
That and they've done a fantastic job of making sure I don't get another one since exclusives are the only reason I have one. Now that those are cross buy with win 10, we'll...
Amazing to see the Xbox sell so well considering there's nothing to play on it apparently. Never will understand why some people are so emotionally invested in console sales though. So long as the console isn't a failure, that's about as much as I care about.
I'm actually grateful Xbox aren't coasting along in first place and hope it stays that way. X1 has only benefited from it's early negative press (that is in every area that actually matters - aside from sales) and has been steadily improving since launch. I don't expect 2018 will be any different. 2017 for Xbox was a mediocre year for the amount of 1st/2nd party software but excellent for hardware and features, now it's time for them to bring the games.
I'm actually grateful Xbox aren't coasting along in first place and hope it stays that way. X1 has only benefited from it's early negative press (that is in every area that actually matters - aside from sales) and has been steadily improving since launch. I don't expect 2018 will be any different. 2017 for Xbox was a mediocre year for the amount of 1st/2nd party software but excellent for hardware and features, now it's time for them to bring the games.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
You mean Switch >>> PS4 > Xbox One, right? That thing is going to outsell PS4 for sure.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Are you saying Microsoft messed up because you're buying their software on windows 10 now?
Malcolm9
Member
Keep dreaming.
martinstraka8282
Member
Dont be too surprised. Its similar psychology to people having favorite sports teams. Theres no real rhyme or reason for that either other than maybe geographical influences.
Mohonky
Member
Its outselling PS4 in some very large markets. What makes you think its going to suddenly die off?
BANGS
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When it comes to selling xboxes, absolutely...
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Good to know I'm not around here much at all..but, another bum on ignore list for life .
Glad to see the console market healthy and with a steady momentum. Xbox One deals were great and with PUBG added it could get some units moved.
One thing is pretty damn interesting tho. Xbox didn't win a single month in their strongest market in 2017. I bet it's a first since OG Xbox days. Anyone can confirm?
One thing is pretty damn interesting tho. Xbox didn't win a single month in their strongest market in 2017. I bet it's a first since OG Xbox days. Anyone can confirm?
Parapraxis
Member
Haha, yes, because Greenberg NEVER did anything trollish or to stoke console war bullshit. That he attracts negativity and console war crap is his own doing.
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Unknown?
Member
I didn’t troll anything and gave numbers. :/ People here will claim something has momentum or has bombed based on insufficient data. I’m glad they didn’t bomb for the holidays but the rest of their year was pretty terrible.
michaelius
Banned
Is it clarified if they won NPD with units sold or revenue?
The first sentence you wrote i will never understand. People are acting like they only play exclusives on their machine, while like 95% of the games released every year are multiplatform. Look at the past few months... almost no exclusives from sony and microsoft, but big multiplatform games like destiny 2, codww2, battlefront 2, assasins creed origins, shadows of war and not to mention all the sports games. Ofcourse Nintendo was hitting big with the release of Mario, but other then that i bet that most gamers were playing multiplatforms last few months.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Just look at the list of top games played per platform over the last few months, it’s all third party games. Console games top 10 most played is becoming more and more like PC, multiplayer and free to play.
From what I have seen the leadership at Xbox have all been fairly civil and celebrated the industries success of all their competitor's. Has Aaron been perfect no. However to view every post these people make through a console cannot lens gets us no where but fighting among ourselves over plastic.
I would also like to say this is why gaf is a much better place now after the moderation team has cracked down on console warriors and have allowed us to have a mature discussion about these topics without getting into the weeds.
Also loving gaf 2.0 features.
Do we have any idea what the XB1's life to date worldwide is? I know it's somewhere in the 30 million range, but can we get any more exact than that? Do we think it's closer to 30 or 40?
rabbity-thing
Member
Exactly. I got a One X in December. It's the first Xbox console I've ever owned (always been a Sony user and have PSone thru PS4Pro along with the PSP and Vita). I really like the system so far and I now desperately want Sony to get off their cloud and do some serious work on bringign backwards compatibility back to Playstation consoles. Hopefully Microsoft coming back a little will force Sony to at least consider some support for disc based BC.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
hikarutilmitt
Member
Yes and no. On the one hand it gives me a different avenue to buy the games more frequently. On the other it means I don't need to get an Xbox after this, which means one or two fewer units sold (even though it's not typically the thing they make money on).
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
But then if you own a PC powerful enough to run all games at a level higher than that of consoles, would you really buy a PS4 for only a few exclusives when you have so many games to play on PC?
Out of everyone I know, only 2 people have so far, which leads me to believe that releasing games on PC as well as on Xbox One doesn't make much of a difference for MS as people who play on PC at the high end will usually only play on PC and nothing else. And their most likely 2nd purchase would usually be a Nintendo console imo.
Cert.in.Death
Member
All I can say is that I would hope it did, given that they debuted a new console only a month previously.
Sosokrates
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Yes the S should be £149/$199 with a game.
They will probably take a hit but it would be worth it just to get xbox's in people's homes so going into next gen the lead PS4 isnt as big as it could be.
hikarutilmitt
Member
Yes. Is that hard to believe?
The only Xbox exclusives I've ever cared about were random things like KI, Cuphead and Crackdown (assuming 3 doesn't turn out like crap). I can take or leave Halo, I don't particularly care or follow it enough to buy a console based solely on that.
On Playstation, just this gen it's been Uncharted, God of War, will now be Horizon, Gravity Rush, Infamous just to name a few. Then there are some Japanese games that end up only on Playstation (or get a port to Xbox for the west) or get a PC port that is by most accounts terrible. For the rest of the third party titles that I end up getting and have a PC port, I either get a super discount on the console one or, in the current case of fighting games, I end up with the PC version so I'm not locked to a console forever.
NicknameMy
Neo Member
Because the Switch targets a wider market than the PS4 because it has multiple ways to be played. The Switch is basically selling as fast as the DS in Japan while selling as fast as the PS2 in USA. That is unheard of.
The PS4 lacks the attention of the handheld gaming crowd and it isn't a real secondary console to PC either, the Switch fullfills both those aspects better. Plus, the Switch will also get cheaper in the future as the Tegra line develops further and further, making the production costs cheaper.
Malcolm9
Member
Yet most PC owners usually own a PS4 if they have a console. As good as the Switch is it doesn't have the diversity of games the PS4 right now, plus it's more expensive than a standard PS4.
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michaelius
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Microsoft leadership dropped the console war rhetoric when they realised there's no way they are winning this generation. Same way that they stopped buying exclusives when it became obvious for publishers they will be losing 2/3 of potential customer base.
That is incorrect, it stopped when Phil took over as head of Xbox.
Caio
Member
I would say "it will be settled PS4 >> Switch >> XBox One", fixed.
Sosokrates
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You think the switch will outsell the xbox one by the time xbox next comes?
I guess it is possible if the switch continues its high sales and X1 sales decline.
However I dont think that is likely giving the upward trajectory xbox one is on.
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SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Well phil was head of games for x360 & we seen how the last few years of that turned out lol....
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
If phil and co have not figured out they need to improve the Exclusives situation
I wont be the happiest xbox ownet
However if the rumours are true and they have the coalition make a perfect dark and playground doing a fable, my happiness level will shoot straight back up .
Ms needs big single player games.
Probably not, sure, but the Switch will outsell the XB1 by the time the Switch is retired. I thought the poster you were responding to was comparing lifetime of all three systems, in which case PS4 >> Switch >> XB1 seems pretty reasonable. Something like PS4 120 million, Switch 80 million, XB1 45 million lifetime at the end of each of their lifespans is totally believable to me.
Sosokrates
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Oh I see its for each systems individual lifetime. In that case, the switch might do better overall depending on how long until the next Nintendo system.
45 million x1's lifetime seems very tame if we consider the current install base of the x1 is roughly 35 million. That would mean the X1 would have to sell less in the next 3yrs Compared to the last 3 yrs and givern things like back compat improved services and features and the launch of the 1X I dont know what reasons are causing you to predict such weak sales for the X1 in the next 3 yrs or so.
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Valid criticism for last year but the 2018 line up is looking good.
JaxBriggs
Member
@JaxBriggs why don't you read your own article?
"if we sell less consoles that the other guys, that's cool,"
You're arguing that Microsoft leadership dropped the console war rhetoric when Phil took the top job. I was showing you an interview where Phil was explaining that MS are in it to WIN the generation. I.e, you are wrong.
To be fair they did drop that sort of behaviour shortly after that interview was given, probably when they (and everyone else) realised there was no way MS was 'winning' this current generation against the PS4.
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Koala Driving a Ferrari
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While this is a good showing for Microsoft, it was also the Xbox One X launch period so sales probably should have been higher than usual. I'll be interested to see whether any momentum has been gained or whether sales will contract again for MS after Christmas.
If I was a gambling man, I'd wager that sales will contract (below the PS4) and we'll see an Xbox One X price drop in the next three months (or a SKU of the X with a bundled game).
If I was a gambling man, I'd wager that sales will contract (below the PS4) and we'll see an Xbox One X price drop in the next three months (or a SKU of the X with a bundled game).
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No saying that you would like to sell the most but if you don't it's no big deal is not being in a console war. Reading comprehension is key here for you good sir.
Also I am done talking to you on this topic.
I'm happy too, but i'm surprised Switch sold the most. After last month where both consoles sold better than it, i expected to see it continuing that way.
Anyway, i'm happy with what we got. No one can complain, everyone did well and that's good for everyone.