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doesn't matter what they show i'll still give them an F
Lol nah they all know everything, likely the usual Xbox influencers as well.
I expect lots of games, lots of indies, some more late PS5 ports, some strategic talks about their multiplat strategy, and everything upcoming with release dates released the same day everywhere, and lots of "Day 1 on Gamepass".
Fuck you.doesn't matter what they show i'll still give them an F
doesn't matter what they show i'll still give them an F
And 20 post show interviews the entire week PRing why 1st party games or exclusives are now all of a sudden bad.Lol nah they all know everything, likely the usual Xbox influencers as well.
I expect lots of games, lots of indies, some more late PS5 ports, some strategic talks about their multiplat strategy, and everything upcoming with release dates released the same day everywhere, and lots of "Day 1 on Gamepass".
No, that's not it. I remember countless E3 press conferences and other events where only a handful of games really did it for me. The problem is that that number has plummeted in recent presentations. And before, most of the games that didn't appeal to me at least were semi-interesting to look at. Now, the majority make me feel like my eyes are being robbed of precious energy just looking at them. It's just wall to wall clutterware. Like, the majority of games that show up at SGF every year are absolutely irrelevant.If a show has 2-3+ games that I want to play, I'd generally consider it a success. I think somehow people have gotten the idea that EVERY game, especially the headliner needs to be a game targeted towards them or the show is bad.
Can I ask: Why? Especially to people who have already played or watched Persona 4 Golden, which really is what put the series forward into the mainstream. We know the characters inside and out; we know the plot. Why does a Remake of that game do so much for anyone?Persona 4 checks a BIG box for me and others, especially those of us who got into Persona with P5/P5R. That's like 50% towards a successful show in my book.
Hey I like what I like lol.Even if you said Persona 6 instead, I wouldn't really agree. But this is crazy.
We're in really dire straits if a P4 Remake is the key to a winning presentation.
It's odd, Aaron is saying temper expectations, Phil is saying there's gonna be surprises.
No, that's not it. I remember countless E3 press conferences and other events where only a handful of games really did it for me. The problem is that that number has plummeted in recent presentations. And before, most of the games that didn't appeal to me at least were semi-interesting to look at. Now, the majority make me feel like my eyes are being robbed of precious energy just looking at them. It's just wall to wall clutterware. Like, the majority of games that show up at SGF every year are absolutely irrelevant.
Can I ask: Why? Especially to people who have already played or watched Persona 4 Golden, which really is what put the series forward into the mainstream. We know the characters inside and out; we know the plot. Why does a Remake of that game do so much for anyone?
Even Phil Spencer still has his job."Feeling good about the Xbox Show"
"Wow calm down with the hype, buddy! It's not going to be that great"
lmao how does this fucking guy still have a job?
Yeah everything has been a big fat meh so far for me. And everything somewhat cool is 2026 or has no date.Hope we get some kickass reveals. For me, that has been lacking in these shows. I'm not the RE fan others are though.
MCC on ps5 and switch 2 is gonna be a trip
B -What game burned the house down last year? South of Racist? Janky Jones? Awoked?
There's definitely fewer events than previous gens, no doubt. There were some years you had pre-irrelevance Tokyo Game Show, Jump Festa, PSX, 3-4 Nintendo Directs AND E3. If you don't count minor game participation in other events like SXSW. Maybe a Ubisoft livestream in July, but those are patchy.That's because there are so many events. It's why we need e3 back. Yesterday's showcase was 2 hours of trash games that no one wants. Normally these games wouldn't even be shown at an event like e3 because it doesn't make sense to financially showcase them.
Every one of these shows comes with some level of expectation of why would you put this on if there wasn't any value to it, but that's no longer what shows generally represent. It's just about filling up time slots at this point. Need 2 hours worth of trailers? Well what if the industry doesn't have two hours worth of trailers.
An e3 this year would have included RE9's reveal, whatever Nintendo has planned for H2, Marvel Tokon, Ghost of Yotei deep dive, that Witcher 4 tech demo e.t.c. all condensed into one show without the fluff.
I'm skeptical about how the numbers break down with that. P4G sold like 1.5 million on the Vita. I know for a fact that a lot of its popularity outside of that had to do with YT walkthroughs/let's plays. P5 and P5 Royal (the latter of which got a HUGE number of double dips) topped out a 5 million between PS3, PS4 and PS5 by 2021. I believe most of the multiplatform sales after that are double dips.A lot of people play P4G, but way more got started with P5 and have not fully experienced P3 and P4 let alone the older games. These are basically new games for what amounts to being the majority of Persona fans now. I've played probably 20 hours of P4 but as soon as I heard they were remaking 3, I stopped so I could play the remake instead. Also, a lot of people who have played P4 want to replay it with modern amenities and polish. It's a big deal and it's the biggest announcement we're going to get until P6.
I just want to see Clockwork Revolution again, and the Indiana Jones DLC
There's definitely fewer events than previous gens, no doubt. There were some years you had pre-irrelevance Tokyo Game Show, Jump Festa, PSX, 3-4 Nintendo Directs AND E3. If you don't count minor game participation in other events like SXSW. Maybe a Ubisoft livestream in July, but those are patchy.
Now, it's really just relegated to SGF, TGA, 3-4 of State of Plays and Nintendo Directs, including those for singular games. E3 had press conferences from Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Sony, and even sometimes Bethesda and Square Enix. SGF has a meaningless State of Play with very little first party presence, the SGF showcase and the Xbox showcase (which does include Bethesda).
There was a long while that these conferences were way too long and full of stuff that you weren't going to play. But it wasn't outright shovelware. A good/great conference last gen was Sony E3 2013, 2015, 2016 and the 18. This gen they would be earth shattering. E3 2014 would've been great by today's standards.
I'm skeptical about how the numbers break down with that. P4G sold like 1.5 million on the Vita. I know for a fact that a lot of its popularity outside of that had to do with YT walkthroughs/let's plays. P5 and P5 Royal (the latter of which got a HUGE number of double dips) topped out a 5 million between PS3, PS4 and PS5 by 2021. I believe most of the multiplatform sales after that are double dips.
Between the actual sales of Golden across the Vita, PS4/5, Xbox, Switch and PC, the let's plays, the myriad of spinoff games and the anime, I really don't see the massive audience that will get super excited by a remake. It makes more sense to get excited for the P3 remake, and while I'm sure it's done as well as it needs to do, it didn't do THAT amazingly. 1 million in a week and then sales pretty much dropped off afaik.
Am I saying a P4 remake shouldn't happen? Not necessarily, but it's coming at the expense of Persona 6. You will wait longer than you would've otherwise, and I am convinced that it will be a different game than it otherwise would've been. Whatever it is will have to be worth it for a 10-11 year gap between it and P5. If it isn't... well that's not good for the franchise. Not good enough for yet another drop of milk from the Persona 4 cow.
You can categorize it how you like (I'm still sticking to my definitions, but yours are valid). But totalling everything the end of the year, for the past few years, I've come up with fewer games I'm interested in than before, and WAY more shovelware than there ever was.The events you're talking about were larger events. Now we can more streaming events. Even Nintendo Direct was a very different type of show in the past. There are 5 Nintendo Directs schedule from January through July this year... We used to get 1-2 a year... You'd get one PlayStation Experience a year or maybe one or two showcases, instead of 4-6 State of Plays... Then you have Xbox showcases and Xbox Developer Directs...
A lot of these events you'd simply get deeper dives into announced games on top of a few announcements.
Now nearly every company has their own streaming event and many have multiple per year. That's why we're left with shovelware, because there is no way to keep the quality of content at these shows up so high. And the format of e3 was never just this 2 hour event filled with trailers. You'd have press conferences interspersed.
But not necessarily double the people, that's the point. For Persona 3, the comparison would be even harsher. Did that scale accordingly with Reload? No.Persona 4 sold 4.2 million units across P4 and P4G.
Persona 5 sold 8.7 million units across P5, P5R, P5RR
Ugh. This again. "We just need the money!" Well maybe don't take 10 years between installments paying salaries. You do realise that actual game sales are down 16% this gen, right?You're looking at more than double the sales. So yes, potentially being able to double the original games sales is a big deal. It's sales are a big deal for Persona 6 and Atlus' budget ultimately. It's not coming at the expense of anything.
Yeah, not happening. Zero chance P4R sells 4 million at a 50 dollar average revenue take. They'll be down to 56 dollars on launch day, DIGITALLY.If you can remake the game for low costs and sell anywhere from 2-4 million units at say 50 dollars per unit on average... you're looking at generating 100-200 million dollars... That's massive for Atlus.
No, that's 56 million dollars in a week. Assuming all of those sales were digital.Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies within its first week being the fastest selling Persona game... and that was at 70 dollars... 70 million dollars in a week.
At what cost? Thats the question.These remakes are very likely to generate more revenue than the original games ever did.
This is how you market video games
You can categorize it how you like (I'm still sticking to my definitions, but yours are valid). But totalling everything the end of the year, for the past few years, I've come up with fewer games I'm interested in than before, and WAY more shovelware than there ever was.
But not necessarily double the people, that's the point. For Persona 3, the comparison would be even harsher. Did that scale accordingly with Reload? No.
Ugh. This again. "We just need the money!" Well maybe don't take 10 years between installments paying salaries. You do realise that actual game sales are down 16% this gen, right?
Yeah, not happening. Zero chance P4R sells 4 million at a 50 dollar average revenue take. They'll be down to 56 dollars on launch day, DIGITALLY.
No, that's 56 million dollars in a week. Assuming all of those sales were digital.
At what cost? Thats the question.
Like I said, I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, but it does have an impact constant remakes/remasters are not 1000% upside even for the publisher as proponents like to believe, let alone the players. And I am saying that I will have very high expectations for Persona 6 having taken this long for the sake of milking past glories, and I doubt I'm alone.
Well I guess we finally figured out who was behind the MrFunSocks account
Edit: For clarity it was something about a house burning and how it was somehow related to the PS5 model revision.
There is no way Phil will be on stage missing a tooth, right?... and why even? .... unless it just happened.
Agreed 2-3 games and I'm good.If a show has 2-3+ games that I want to play, I'd generally consider it a success. I think somehow people have gotten the idea that EVERY game, especially the headliner needs to be a game targeted towards them or the show is bad.
Persona 4 checks a BIG box for me and others, especially those of us who got into Persona with P5/P5R. That's like 50% towards a successful show in my book.
There is no way Phil will be on stage missing a tooth, right?... and why even? .... unless it just happened.