Majormaxxx
Member
There is a console for people who like banjo kazooie. It is called xbox 360.
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Aaron Greenberg (Xbox Marketing) said "Nobody cares about Banjo-Kazooie" at a Flight Sim event
Lucifers Beard
Member
Oh because they know exactly what their customer base wants, right? The guys a fucking moron.
StueyDuck
Member
He's not entirely wrong. As much as I hate to admit it.
I love BK and old rare. But your average consumer gamer just wants fortnite and ubisoft open worlds and not to think, just consume.
It's all about consumption and content and BK doesn't fit that bill.
The only way it'll come back is on a tiny budget and no expectations.
I love BK and old rare. But your average consumer gamer just wants fortnite and ubisoft open worlds and not to think, just consume.
It's all about consumption and content and BK doesn't fit that bill.
The only way it'll come back is on a tiny budget and no expectations.
GHG
Gold Member
To be fair, it's pretty difficult to figure out what customers want when you only listen to obedient yes men in your current fanbase who are willing to lap up literally everything you do.
These guys haven't had any honest feedback for over a decade now.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
He shouldn't have said that as it's just going to piss off fans.
However, there is some truth to what he's saying. Microsoft tried bringing the series back on the 360 with Nuts and Bolts. Nobody cared and it ended up with disappointing sales.
Why would a new game in the series be any different.
However, there is some truth to what he's saying. Microsoft tried bringing the series back on the 360 with Nuts and Bolts. Nobody cared and it ended up with disappointing sales.
Why would a new game in the series be any different.
Dafegamer
Member
But they still have the old heads like me who grew up with those games. Crash and Spyro did 10 mill+ with the remastered trilogy, meaning that there's at least demand for these Type of Games
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
So is Xbox at this point.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Because market might change from 2008?
Robb
Gold Member
They brought back a beloved platformer IP after nearly a decade and made it into a lego racing game. No shit people didn’t care. Especially after that initial teaser trailer. What a huge smack in the face that whole ordeal was.
Almost as tone deaf as Nintendo bringing back the Metroid Prime series with Federation Force after approximately the same amount of time.
Bernardougf
Member
Yoboman
Member
It's wild to me that Xbox bought Rare and never had them make a straight up new platformer
digoutyoursoul
Member
How he is still there is beyond me and then we have this classic from his partner in slime :
“I see commentary out there--'If you just build great games, everything will turn around. ' It's just not true [that] if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way”
What makes PlayStation and Nintendo successful and have the mindshare they have? It’s not the plastic wrapping in the box is it?
Fuckin hell.
“I see commentary out there--'If you just build great games, everything will turn around. ' It's just not true [that] if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way”
What makes PlayStation and Nintendo successful and have the mindshare they have? It’s not the plastic wrapping in the box is it?
Fuckin hell.
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kubricks
Member
How the fuck do these people get hired? In a Marketing Department no less?
Is it so hard to just do your work and keep the fucking mouth shut?
He might not be wrong, or might be he is completely right, but nobody needs to hear this from his position publically. Keep these kind of comment in your house with your friends or family member.
Is it so hard to just do your work and keep the fucking mouth shut?
He might not be wrong, or might be he is completely right, but nobody needs to hear this from his position publically. Keep these kind of comment in your house with your friends or family member.
Klayzer
Member
Dude can't be bothered to use standard PR protocol.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Both very good points.
Nuts and Bolts was a different take on previous games. Also, if Microsoft put a lot of effort in and made a game that not only respects the originals, but also is a quality platformer like Astro Bot, then they might have a certified hit on their hands.
The question then is, why don't they?
SamFo
Member
Aaron Greenberg is disgusting, I mean, both inside and out. You take a look at him, he's a slob. He talks like a truck driver. He doesn't have His facts. He'll say anything that comes to his mind. And, you know, Inside Xbox failed when it was a YouTube show. He failed on that. The likes went very, very low and very bad and he got essentially thrown off YouTube.
His marketing plan was a total catastrophe. And I mean he's basically a disaster.
He said no one cares about Banjo, And, you know, coming from Aaron, that's pretty low because when you look at him and when you see the mind, the mind is weak. I don't see it. I don't get it. I never understood -- how does he even get on the live stream?
I'll probably block Aaron because he doesn't tell the facts. As an example, I'm worth many billions of gamerscore. Now, it's nothing to brag about. I'm worth many billions of gamescore. It's very simple.
He said I was trolling. Now, I never was trolling. He said I trolled three times. I never trolled. I never trolled but he said I trolled.
So probably I'll block him because it would be fun.
His marketing plan was a total catastrophe. And I mean he's basically a disaster.
He said no one cares about Banjo, And, you know, coming from Aaron, that's pretty low because when you look at him and when you see the mind, the mind is weak. I don't see it. I don't get it. I never understood -- how does he even get on the live stream?
I'll probably block Aaron because he doesn't tell the facts. As an example, I'm worth many billions of gamerscore. Now, it's nothing to brag about. I'm worth many billions of gamescore. It's very simple.
He said I was trolling. Now, I never was trolling. He said I trolled three times. I never trolled. I never trolled but he said I trolled.
So probably I'll block him because it would be fun.
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Robb
Gold Member
Who knows. My best guess is they don’t think it appeals to their audience. Looking at Xbox Game Studios there’s a humongous gap in ‘family games’, imo.
I was hopeful they’d make new Crash and Spyro games given the ActiBlizz deal, but then they just got rid of the studio and people that made those very titles. They don’t seem to have any interest in these types of games. Which makes it very annoying that they now own all of these IP.
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Skifi28
Member
Calverz
Member
If I was a betting man, they probably looked at the sales numbers for the remasters back on the 360. The sales numbers for nuts n bolts and realised they weren't high enough. Probably more recently they looked at how Yooka-Laylee was received (mediocre sales numbers and middling reviews iirc) and thought the demand isnt there. They probably view banjo fans as a vocal minority.
This is me just speculating. Its not my opinion on the matter.
StueyDuck
Member
You are correct. And I was there for both.
But then you have crash 4 which performed less, and let's not even talk about that crash rumble game.
The main issue though is that these pubs can only think on the fortnite/Netflix level. So they want all the money, not just some, and in that scenario he isn't wrong in saying banjo doesn't hold that weight anymore.
Kids want the latest rapper with symbols in the name doing the floop floop dance and most adult gamers just want to consume, just give them the same thing they already have but with a plus or an iteration on the number at the end.
Again I hate it to be true, because I'd love a rennaissance of old school game design and skill to return but it's just not what pubs and devs look at.
The best chance is Playtonic taking what they did with yookalaylee (which i enjoyed, even though it wasn't perfect) and really blowing it out the water with a bigger budget in the sequel
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
You realize this is the opposite of what happens, allll the time.
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
What a strange way to see things.
Banjo is just an older IP they have in their catalogue that could be used to make a statement in the 3d Platforming space.
Me and my folks are Moon could probably make a Banjo Threeie and as long as it’s an excellent game that could compete against games like Mario Odyssey, of course people would care a great deal about it then.
You just actually have to do something with the IP you’re sitting on.
Banjo is just an older IP they have in their catalogue that could be used to make a statement in the 3d Platforming space.
Me and my folks are Moon could probably make a Banjo Threeie and as long as it’s an excellent game that could compete against games like Mario Odyssey, of course people would care a great deal about it then.
You just actually have to do something with the IP you’re sitting on.
Astray
Member
As inflammatory as his comments are, there's a certain honesty in them that one can't really ignore, especially when the rest of his federation are PR-trained and give boring nice guy answers that they never ever follow up on.
That's another thing, they pushed so much shillery, FUD and bullshit onto the internet that they can't really find any good feedback they can build a go to market plan on.
VolticArchangel
Member
This idiot usually says shit that he has no fucking clue about. All to get social media attention and engagement.
An embarrassment to the MS brand image. Don't take him too seriously.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I hope one day Microsoft reach out to you. I think Moon are the only studio that could do a third entry justice.
After hearing your comments 5 years ago it seemed like this was the most obvious match ever, it’s disappointing as a Banjo fan that things didn’t move in that direction (however No Rest for the Wicked looks great).
VolticArchangel
Member
Holy shit. This is a match made in heaven.
Imagine if Spencer greenlights w/e project Moon presents them in the form of a vertical slice, and Thomas posted this first on Neogaf of all places. Lol
Team Andromeda
Member
In money terms it means the same thing. Not worth it. What next a sequel to Ape Escape
The game didn't even make it in the top 10 best selling UK games .. keep it coming
DanielG165
Member
He shouldn’t have said that out loud, but he isn’t entirely wrong either. Banjo Kazooie is very niche, sorry all.
JimboJones
Member
I mean with that attitude people won't care, there was (maybe still is) an opportunity to make it into something people do want
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the first time he says the truth and people people shit on him?. Stay strong champ
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Nobody cares about Banjo Kazooie……
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
This fat dipshit should have been fired ages ago. One of the most useless gaming industry people of all time - I can't think of a single thing he's actually contributed to the Xbox brand.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So I'll ask once again "why are we trying to rewrite history," but I guess you'll just move the goalpost or stop responding now that you've been proven wrong.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
That's nightmare fuel Coral
Nobody cares about Banjo Kazooie……
splattered
Member
Any actual proof of this or just "some guys said Aaron said..."
Generic
Member
She's right, 25k is nothing. Games nowadays need to sell over 10 millions of copies to be considered successful.
The Infectious Paradox
Gold Member
tkscz
Member
So
Heisenberg007
already proved you wrong in terms of how well Astrobot did, let's go over your first comment there.In terms of money, it far more depends on the full budget of the game. Not just development budget but publishing budget as well.
With the tools that are currently out there, a small team could easily make a feature filled Banjo Kazooie 3 that looks graphically pleasing and gameplay fulfilling for less than $5 million. Indie devs do it all the time.
Microsoft has equipment, in-house engines and studios to house the work, so a lot of what some companies need to spend is something they already pay/paid for. A small team of 40 people would take about two years to make a game at $5 million, with publishing cost being about the same. Selling the game at $40 they'd only need to sell a quarter of a million units to break even. Banjo doesn't have the 7 million unit pull it did back on the N64, but the game could easily sell more than 2 million units at full price.
While we don't know Astrobot's budget, it has been said it was a low budget game that took two years to make, so definitely under the $100 million+ games Sony has been producing lately, so lets say it cost $50 million to make and another $50 million to publish. At $60 a unit this game would pass even at 2 million units sold, which the game has passed by this point. That would include the 25% of units sold in stores instead of on the Sony play-store.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MS itself doesn't care about 99% of the IPs they own. They're just IP collectors to E.E.E.
Care is an illusion. He is just saying the quiet parts of their corporation out loud.
Klayzer
Member
Why do the hardcore Xfans on GAF, suffer from amnesia?
So I'll ask once again "why are we trying to rewrite history," but I guess you'll just move the goalpost or stop responding now that you've been proven wrong.
gow3isben
Member
Saying he is the reason Xbox lost makes even more sense
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I said one of the main reasons. Given how awful the marketing for Xbox has been over the past few years, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hold the head of the marketing responsible.