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[ChoosableOne]

I've been super curious about it but not curious enough to have a separate launcher for it. With all the political blech, any survival horror fans care to comment on how well it achieves that genre? Is it more RE, Silent Hill or Alone in the Dark reboot?

I can say that Alan Wake 2 has combined the atmosphere, story, and mystery of Silent Hill 2 with the gameplay of Resident Evil 2 Remake, creating a game that, except for the story (which I think was good but can't match Silent Hill 2) and easy puzzles(which is fine), surpasses both in everything else.

Remedy did a great job misleading people. For a while AW2, you'd think it starred AW. Then the first real trailers are shown and it's not even him as the main character.

It'd be like a Spiderman 5 movie. But turns out, you play Aunt May for half the game.

Its more like MGS 2, but better. I'm not sure if it would have been as impactful if we had started the game with Alan Wake.

 

[swaffles23]

Gonna be weird having Max Payne without James Mccaffrey

 

[StereoVsn]

Replacing Alan Wake with a woman of color for most of the game didn’t help. Also, digital only cut off potential sales from people who love buying physical games. Having SBI involved is one of the reasons it flopped with their virtue signaling ideologies they push in games. The fact it sold like shit is proof of all of those reasons unless your in denial or trying to look progressive to certain people and defend that crap.

You forgot the elephant in the room, namely it’s on a PC storefront where games don’t sell.

But yeah, that and all of the above.

 

[Arioco]

I haven't played the game yet. What kind of woke fuckery should I expect this time? I don't remember reading anything about woke shit in Alan Wake 2.

 

[adamsapple]

I haven't played the game yet. What kind of woke fuckery should I expect this time? I don't remember reading anything about woke shit in Alan Wake 2.

A black woman is the co-lead of the game and near the end there's a throw-away line where she says something like "another white asshole trying to tell me what to do" while tripping balls from the antagonistic dark presence of the game.

That's about it.

 

[Mobilemofo]

Go woke get broke

I'll add " wake and bake"..

 

[peek]

Wouldn't really consider Saga Anderson an "established main character".

Agree to disagree. She was certainly established, and I saw her as part of the main cast.

Race swapped for the luls xD

 

[mayham2199]

A black woman is the co-lead of the game and near the end there's a throw-away line where she says something like "another white asshole trying to tell me what to do" while tripping balls from the antagonistic dark presence of the game.

That's about it.

It's funny how saying stuff like that is now considered woke. I just recently rewatched all the die hard movies (man is DH2 so bad) and DH3 Samuel L Jackson was pretty much just a racist. It was great though and funny as hell. These days you could never do that character without people just calling it woke garbage.

 

[SJRB]

Agree to disagree. She was certainly established, and I saw her as part of the main cast.

Race swapped for the luls xD

O don't get me wrong, I think race-swapping is a dogshit practice and I find it super bizarre that they did this in the first place instead of just creating a new character. There are probably 243 ways to write this character into the story without having to resort to a race-swap. Big L for Remedy in that regard.

 

[Arioco]

A black woman is the co-lead of the game and near the end there's a throw-away line where she says something like "another white asshole trying to tell me what to do" while tripping balls from the antagonistic dark presence of the game.

That's about it.

Thank for your explanation. Thankfully that doesn't look too bad.

 

[Bernardougf]

I just never saw the first game as this huge success that a second one would bring rivers of cash specially so far apart each other... it was a xbox exclusive that later expanded right ? Correct me if Im wrong. A sequel to an "exclusivish" game from a smaller (xbox) user base getting a sequel 13/14 years later in a scenario where they sold in the Epic store which pc masters race dont indulge and the xbox fanbase (the original's game fambase) dont buy games anymore... Couldn't see much chance of big success honestly.

 

[Von Hugh]

The game is called Alan Wake.

It has a black woman as the protagonist.

???

 

[adamsapple]

Agree to disagree. She was certainly established, and I saw her as part of the main cast.

Race swapped for the luls xD

Was she established in the Alan Wake games?

I just never saw the first game as this huge success that a second one would bring rivers of cash specially so far apart each other... it was a xbox exclusive that later expanded right ? Correct me if Im wrong. A sequel to an "exclusivish" game from a smaller (xbox) user base getting a sequel 13/14 years later in a scenario where they sold in the Epic store which pc masters race dont indulge and the xbox fanbase (the original's game fambase) dont buy games anymore... Couldn't see much chance of big success honestly.

Golf clap for turning this into an xbox-console-war rant somehow lol, you never disappoint.

The first game was available on PS for years before the sequel, which also launched on PS at the same time.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

The game is called Alan Wake.

It has a black woman as the protagonist.

???

I'm going to blow your mind: The Legend of Zelda.

 

[Danjin44]

Alan Wake is niche game but with big budget for its graphics which is not gonna help to make profit.

This is why most niche games are not high budget because they don’t sell high enough to justify having big budget.

 

[Kacho]

Yeah I never bought it. Mostly because it wasn’t on Steam, but it also sounded like the game was less horror and more experimental. Also thought Control was pretty meh.

 

[SJRB]

The game is called Alan Wake.

It has a black woman as the protagonist.

???

A goofy take only someone who hasn't actually played the game could come up with.

Alan Wake himself looms over the entire game, even during the moments when you don't play as him he's still a huge part of the experience.

 

[Hudo]

I share the sentiment that this game needs to be on Steam. But the chances of that happening is slim since Epic were the ones bankrolling the game.

 

[Bernardougf]

Was she established in the Alan Wake games?



Golf clap for turning this into an xbox-console-war rant somehow lol, you never disappoint.

The first game was available on PS for years before the sequel, which also launched on PS at the same time.

Mate you have phils dick so far up your ass that you feel the need to defend even posts that arent even remotely about his and xbox fuck ups... I really hope you are being paid to be such a shill for them because if not its just pathetic.

No is not a war post .... the game was exclusive for xbox console for years until it came out on playstation and 02 years before went to PC... so the fanbase was mostly xbox fans for two years. After this initial two years who knows how the game perfomed on pc and many years later on playstation. I played on the 360 and since them not once i though (my god this game deserves a sequel) ... pont being it was not a huge franchise... if was it wouldn't take them 10 years to launch the sequel. My point still stands .. they launched a primarily xbox/pc tied franchise exclusively to epic store, big mistake for pc sales, and couldn't count this time with xbox (the original fanbase) sales, leaving playstation fans who liked the remastered version or played the original 10 years ago to support the sequel and drive sales.... so is not surprising this sequel didnt meet expectations no matter its quality.

 

[Fake]

Always excuses. See you guys next year when this same thread will be created asking the same questions.

 

[adamsapple]

Always excuses. See you guys next year when this same thread will be created asking the same questions.

They're releasing the game physically in a few weeks. Should be easily breaching that final 20% with that.

 

[Fake]

They're releasing the game physically in a few weeks. Should be easily breaching that final 20% with that.

Wasn't the problem the lack of physical media? Or releasing on Epic Store instead of Steam? Or being is mix progressive? Or because you play 50% without the main character?

You guys need to pick your poison and stick with.

 

[adamsapple]

Wasn't the problem the lack of physical media? Or releasing on Epic Store instead of Steam? Or being is mix progressive? Or because you play 50% without the main character?

You guys need to pick your poison and stick with.

Oh, I don't subscribe to one of those three at all, for the other two:

Releasing on EGS exclusive obviously hurt the sales, but then the game was fully funded by EGS, it's kinda like how there wouldn't have been a Bayonetta 2 if Nintendo didn't fund it.

Similarly, there were quiet a few Gaffers (to use as an example of a subset) who said they wouldn't buy the game because it was digital only. Now that it isn't, they should be putting their money where their mouth is.

 

[JTCx]

Mid tier developer with terrible business decisions.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It might shock you, but many people have played the game and don't find it more "woke" than the average game and consider it a good game. I'm one of them.

You enjoy it, that's okay

Yes, SBI probably affected the skin color of the protagonist

Don't care about that

and some of the dialogues

I do care about that. They dont add anything to gaming. As has been seen by the many other car crash games they've been involved with. Not to mention the utterly shit dialogue three minutes into the game

but overall, the game is not trying to fight capitalism or white supremacism

It's not trying to be Alan Wake 2 either. You don't even play as him from the off

nor trying to stress that fat, trans people of color need to be deified. I'd also add that no one fucking knew what SBI was when the game came out

So fucking what. I paid full whack for the deluxe edition and from the off it had that shitty writing I hate, now I/we know know why. Word of mouth after finding out did it no favours.

so no, it didn't flop "because woke." It's likely it flopped because the game cost relatively a lot to make (for the cutting edge graphics); it was Epic exclusive and digital only.

So expensive, yet they can funnel money to SBI and their bunch of wanky grifters

Now show me a game that's been brilliant with them involved, didn't have shit writing, and did well?

And don't gaslight me with that shitty Spiderman 2 garbage. Everyone knows it's dogshit.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

Alan Wake a game where half the game you play as a black woman. Digital only. Exclusive to a platform thats pretty much dead when it comes to singleplayer player base. Remedy is not very smart when it comes to these decisisions. Control was in the same boat and so was Quantum Break. Sam and the other 2 CEO's need to go. Bungie and many other companies got fucked by their leaders.

a black woman stereotypically complaining about white men, in a game about a white man played mostly by white men
gotta be worth at least 50 pander bucks in todays market

remedy invests those in the BET500 until the ps6 comes out, they might be eligible for an ubisoft buyout.

 

[Wildebeest]

They made this game with their hearts, not their heads. Horror fans are incredibly loyal and thirsty for content. They will buy anything in their wheelhouse even if it looks like total trash, and it runs on their hardware. In fact, they love trash more than quality. There are just not that many of them. If remedy absolutely had to make this game, because of their vision and creative needs of the team, they should have cut the budget down to the bone and lowered the system requirements.

 

[Hohenheim]

This proves that too many folks have piss poor taste in videogames. Alan Wake 2 is a masterpiece.

Also, what's so woke about the game?? The fact that we play as a strong woman for half of the game..?

 

[Hudo]

This proves that too many folks have piss poor taste in videogames. Alan Wake 2 is a masterpiece.

Also, what's so woke about the game?? The fact that we play as a strong woman for half of the game..?

I do like Alan Wake 2 as a game. But to be perfectly honest, I found it a bit weird that they turned Saga black.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Go woke get broke

This

 

[Hohenheim]

I do like Alan Wake 2 as a game. But to be perfectly honest, I found it a bit weird that they turned Saga black.

Why is it weird? And yeah, I know that that sweet baby-something company "helped out" and was probably the reason she's black.

 

[simpatico]

Yet Spider-Man 2, The Last of Us Part II, the Horizon games, etc.., etc.. were more “woke” than AW2 yet flew off the shelves.

Right but consider the buyers. The games you mentioned are high profile. The games you're "supposed to play" if you own a Playstation. Alan Wake is a little more niche. Slop addicts are going to buy Spider-Man if they retcon his story to make a penis grow out of his forehead. It really doesn't matter how good the game is (so long as it's not lolcow bad like Suicide Squad). We've got customers in this thread who didn't buy AW2 because of it's leanings. Hell, I'm a Remedy superfan and I haven't bought it yet (mostly because of mesh shader incompatibility, but tbh seeing the launch trailers took much of the sting away)

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The fact that they don't even know what Woke means and made their own definition for it tells you all there is.

Indeed. Most people who use it to try and downplay/insult have no clue of its origins or purpose. Which is why they are the easiest to ignore!

OT: Epic's exclusivity coupled with a staggered physical release really hurt. Hoping it at least makes it to the 100% mark before EoL.

 

[diffusionx]

1. People want to play as Alan Wake in Alan Wake, not a Sweet Baby written black girlboss cop.
2. No Steam.
3. No physical release on console

 

[CGNoire]

It didnt make money cause the Game Fucking Sucked.

I say that as a massive AW1 fan.

 

[keefged4]

It was boring with forced cringe dance sections in the middle. Plus its Epic exclusive, if it was on Steam at least it'd maybe break even. Very disappointing compared to the first game regardless.

 

[KimDongHwan]

Please let this be a lesson , amen.

 

[Negotiator101]

Phil got that Game pass money to get there Sam.

 

[Humdinger]

nm

 

[Banjo64]

Alan Wake must be the least sexy name of a video game ever? I’d be interested to hear any others.

 

[ssringo]

For me, it had everything going against it every step of the way so I never gave it a second look.

- Sequel to a game I played over a decade ago and while it's a decent enough game, any fondness I had was washed away by it's weak side game (American Nightmare) which was also over a decade ago.
- Control...is simply a better and more interesting concept. Jesse > Alan. Quite frankly Alan Wake pales in comparison to Control and Max Payne. Remedy is very hit or miss in my book.
- PC requirements were quite high at launch (I know they lowered them later) to the point where I couldn't play it at a reasonable level.
- It was on a PC store I didn't use.
- After all the above, it was also coming out between several other games I was interested in that didn't come with baggage.

 

[adamsapple]

Alan Wake must be the least sexy name of a video game ever? I’d be interested to hear any others.

Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code

 

[Banjo64]

Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code

shit

 

[Hohenheim]

It was boring with forced cringe dance sections in the middle. Plus its Epic exclusive, if it was on Steam at least it'd maybe break even. Very disappointing compared to the first game regardless.

The dance section was probably in my top 3 favourite videogame moments in 2023. And I hate musicals.

 

[Fake]

This proves that too many folks have piss poor taste in videogames. Alan Wake 2 is a masterpiece.

Everyone is wrong and you are right. Fight the world dude.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

No Alan wake as main character... No deal.

 

[Hohenheim]

It didnt make money cause the Game Fucking Sucked.

I say that as a massive AW1 fan.

Dude,the game was GOTY many places and for lots of folks.
Too bad it sucked for you, but objectively the game did definitly not suck, and that was not the reason it didn't sell millions.
It's definitly weird and niche, but as far as videogames as an art - AW2 was fantastic.

I didn't care too much for the original btw. It was good, but nowhere near the sequel for me. I love that they took everything a lot further, and that Sam Lake brought out his inner David Lynch.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Alan Wake a game where half the game you play as a black woman. Digital only. Exclusive to a platform thats pretty much dead when it comes to singleplayer player base. Remedy is not very smart when it comes to these decisisions. Control was in the same boat and so was Quantum Break. Sam and the other 2 CEO's need to go. Bungie and many other companies got fucked by their leaders.

If I say something, they'll ban me... But. I agree with what you say.... Putting someone who is not Alan wake is what killed the game....

 

[Hohenheim]

Everyone is wrong and you are right. Fight the world dude.

Dude, game was goty for lots of folks. And nobody is wrong. People is entitled to their opinions. I'm a lover, not a fighter

 

[T4keD0wN]

1. People want to play as Alan Wake in Alan Wake, not a Sweet Baby written black girlboss cop.

Id pass on that one, he was boring in the first game and the second game only has one interesting protagonist and its name is not on the cover.