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Alberta couple whos child died from naturopathy treated meningitis on trial

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ameratsu

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It's painful to realize that when presented with overwhelming evidence that they're criminally negligent, the dad essentially absolves himself of all responsibility.

The judge had a chance to send a strong, unequivocal message to other would-be google educated parents who think their afternoon of reading anecdotes gives them the expertise required to diagnose and treat severe illness. Four months for what this dad did is an absolute joke.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Question: Why did the father get jail, and the mother get house arrest?
 
Question: Why did the father get jail, and the mother get house arrest?

Because the father wrote that facebook letter, proving he had no remorse and didn't learn anything. If he hadn't written it, he might very well have gotten house arrest himself.

It's horseshit.
 

Fades

Banned
Burying your child is a hell of a punishment as well.
I don't get this sentiment. Their child died because of their own gross negligence, and the father doesn't see any fault or remorse from their actions. They will do this again with their other children. They haven't been punished enough, because they still don't understand the consequences of their actions. If they showed any remorse whatsoever, I'd be more inclined to agree. Right now? No way. They deserve a lot more than they're getting. It's not a bloodlust thing either on my part... Sentencing should be both punitive and reformative. Slapping them on the wrist accomplishes neither.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
I don't get this sentiment. Their child died because of their own gross negligence, and the father doesn't see any fault or remorse from their actions. They will do this again with their other children. They haven't been punished enough, because they still don't understand the consequences of their actions. If they showed any remorse whatsoever, I'd be more inclined to agree. Right now? No way. They deserve a lot more than they're getting. It's not a bloodlust thing either on my part... Sentencing should be both punitive and reformative. Slapping them on the wrist accomplishes neither.

The father has seemed to show remorse, but not for the right reasons. He still seems to think they did the right thing on some level. The remorse they seem to show is for the death of the child and the situation they are in. The both have said they would have done anything to save their child had they known what they were doing would lead him to his death. The problem is they still seem to, especially the father, believe in the nonsense healing. But I don't know if that's something we should punish people for.

However, Canada while still including things like punishment as a deterrent for other people in the legal system, I don't think we adhere to the ideology as much (you can see that here and in other cases).

The judge didn't just say house arrest and 3 months jail, he also told them to have hundreds of hours of community service, AND all their other kids are mandated to go to a proper doctor every three months for... I'm not sure how long actually, I imagine years.

That's the most important thing, as it protects the children who the judge feel get good care aside ideologically based from medical negligence.
 

Kyuur

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Parents lose child thinking they will save him and then go on trial and people out for blood and yet nothing happens to the shitload of traditional chinese medicine snake oil peddlers, homeopaths and naturopaths in the country who con parents and people like this. Oh well. Eventually we will get over the hocus pocus spirituality crap that has no basis in real life one day.

I think you missed the part where their family sells this stuff to people as well.
 

Boney

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Good, community service is the best thing that can come out of this tragedy. Yes the parents are morons and this shouldn't have happened in the first place but it'll happen so now you can have them go and do talks with religious communities and warn them about the dangers of not treating your children medical assistance.

God put fucking hospitals for you, go visit them.
 
I read this story last time it came up on GAF. The parents absolutely deserve punishment and they are incapable of looking after another child without support. This couple literally watched their son deteriorate and die in front of them. They were advised by a nurse to see a doctor to rule out meningitis, but ignored this. They performed their own "physical examination" and idiotically concluded everything was okay. They observed worsening neurological symptoms and still ignored it. They observed difficulty in breathing and still ignored him. They went to church on the day he died.

As a doctor, I honestly think no fit parent could have looked at that child and thought he was well. That child was dying for at least 48 hours before he saw a doctor.
 

TI82

Banned
just got sentenced

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/judge-...-parents-for-son-s-meningitis-death-1.2959819

Justice Rodney Jerke sentenced David Stephan, 33, to four months in jail while his wife, Collet Stephan, 36, was given three months of house arrest.

"You have affected many people ... your conduct has left an unerasable and chilling impact on all of us," Jerke told the couple in the Lethbridge, Alta., courthouse.

"This case was about whether parents, who failed to take a sick boy to a doctor, should be held criminally responsible. The trial was not about vaccination. This is far beyond a child who simply has the sniffles."

The judge singled out David Stephan, who has openly criticized the court system over the case, and said he does not believe the father feels sorry for his actions.
"Mr. Stephan's post-conviction actions demonstrate a complete lack of remorse," the judge said. "To this day he refuses to admit his actions had any impact."
 

Tagyhag

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Good, community service is the best thing that can come out of this tragedy. Yes the parents are morons and this shouldn't have happened in the first place but it'll happen so now you can have them go and do talks with religious communities and warn them about the dangers of not treating your children medical assistance.

God put fucking hospitals for you, go visit them.

The point is, neither of them have turned over a new leaf. They'll do the exact same thing with their next child.

For them, this was just an "oops" moment.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
The point is, neither of them have turned over a new leaf. They'll do the exact same thing with their next child.

For them, this was just an "oops" moment.

Well they have other children - and now they have to take these children to a regular person doctor or nurse multiple times a year, as part of their 'punishment'.
 
Question: Why did the father get jail, and the mother get house arrest?
Because the father is the bigger ass who refuses to admit any wrong doing without remorse.

The mother probably is more remorseful and probably wishes she wasn't a push over

The guy is toxic
 

Clockwork5

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They both got a few months of punishment. For killing their child.

Penicillin clears bacterial meningitis up rather quickly. Penicillin. They denied their child of life because they couldn't be bothered with taking him to a doctor. How in the world are they allowed to keep their other children?
 
I wished for it, and I got it. The crown is appealing the decision, for the reasons I thought it should.

A spokesperson for Alberta Justice told Global News the sentences are being appealed on the following grounds:

The sentence is not proportionate to the gravity of the offence or to the degree of responsibility of the offender, and is unfit.
The sentencing judge gave insufficient weight to denunciation and deterrence.
The sentencing judge underemphasized, or failed to give weight to, relevant aggravating factors.
The sentencing judge overemphasized mitigating factors, or gave mitigative weight to factors that are not mitigating.
The sentencing judge misinterpreted the legal doctrine of wilful blindness.
Such further grounds as counsel may advise.
 
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