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[Komatsu]

I think the portrayal of Ellie as a LGBT youth in the first game was really well done and tasteful - a good example of meaningful representation.

That said, if the leaks are true, the way they handled Ellie and Joel in this installment is just below criticism. Mind-shatteringly stupid.

 

[Dus10125]

Might as well rename the game to The MA'AM of Us.

The Lass of Us

 

[rofif]

Yup. The first game lost me when a girl who dripping wet is 90 lbs is taking out dozens upon dozens of dudes that are 180+ lbs.

That's because she was dripping wet...

 

[Monkeygourmet]

This whole thread is cringe worthy.

Why don’t you wait to play the game or just avoid it if you saw the spoilers and didn’t like it?

 

[siekro1983]

Yup. The first game lost me when a girl who dripping wet is 90 lbs is taking out dozens upon dozens of dudes that are 180+ lbs.

yea that was dumb as shit. especially when a game is trying to be realistic.

 

[Fake]

It is just crazy the way this games plot is going... Ellie is immune to the virus is that not even a factor in this game?

Spoiler

Ellie is immune thats not mean Ellie is the key. If I remember right, there are others immune persons who Firefly kill in order to obtain the vacine (reverse eng).

 

[TheGreatYosh]

IMO, even Aloy design is way better than any female character I've seen so far in TLOU2.

She would look better if they didn't make her have a permanent allergic reaction to something that ballooned her face out.

 

[Terenty]

So they have a lesbian girl, a bi, a trans(asian dude) and a hulk girl all in one story.

I thought it was supposed to be a zombie apocalypse game not an lgbt convention simulator.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Wow. Just wow.

Based on the stuff I have read, it's definitely safe to say that TLOUP2 won't win my game of the year let alone win my gameof the generation. Way too much woke shit for me. And no Clickers??? WTF? And playing half the game as a character I don't give a fuck about? Ugh. Joel Dies. Does Ellie die? Honestly, hope she does so they can just end this shit.

P.S. - Druckmann needs to go!!!

 

[Sakura Doritos]

That's because she was dripping wet...

Not for the dudes.

 

[RokkanStoned]

Has the leaks mentioned any special talents Ellie has? Can she still run through a pack of enemies and not be seen/heard/targeted/attacked? That was the neatest trick she pulled off in the first game.

Just recently started another run on Grounded, and it's pretty immersive breaking, yeah. Though that's been the solution that most AAA seem to go with, that they just make the other characters invisible if you're not engaging in combat or they never engage in combat at all and are just invincible and invisible beings. TLoU 1 and Bioshock: Infinite did these two solutions.
It's not a great or elegant solution, but it's clearly done as an easy fix to the problem of having other characters follow you in a stealth game. Rather than frustrate the player, they just remove that aspect of it.
Another solution is not having another character there, but in a game that's so character focused as TLoU, that's obviously not gonna happen.

There's something about having Tess and Ellie run around right in front of the soldiers as I'm hiding that's just so ridiculous. I'd love if there was a better solution. I really don't mind escort quests (which having characters around you in a stealth game obviously works like), as long as there's some intelligence to it and some control. Most of the time escort quests are terrible, it's because the characters do something stupid, initiating conflict, as well as you having no control of moments where you need them to act specifically. Escort quests in vanilla WoW comes to mind.

I like that they seemingly from the footage I've seen, keep Ellie distinct. Not trying to be the brute that Joel was, but more speed, stealth and tool based.
Canoe sections, ladder/plank sections or dumpster sections can fuck off. My first playthrough I was like "oh cool, I had to find a ladder and place it myself" when experiencing the first ladder in TLoU. Everything after that was a fucking chore. Really, how about some puzzles that feel different and distinct, and a design that allows you multiple approaches? Too ambitious? Same with the forced walking sections. I know it tries to give some agency, while letting dialogue flow and the sense of a natural walking and talking scene happening. But it feels terrible, slows the game down and feels like it's padding.

 

[ipukespiders]

This whole thread is cringe worthy.

Why don’t you wait to play the game or just avoid it if you saw the spoilers and didn’t like it?

This is a forum. Do you know how a forum works?

forum
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

 

[Fushitsusha]

Already looking forward to part 3 more than this. It's impossible to be worse.

 

[Fake]

This whole thread is cringe worthy.

Why don’t you wait to play the game or just avoid it if you saw the spoilers and didn’t like it?

Or you can just leave people talk about and take a break maybe?

This is a forum. Do you know how a forum works?

forum
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

This is a forum yes, but most of the posts here are not for discussion about their 'views', rather insults, memes and others subjects that have nothing to do with spoilers.

 

[Darth]

I'm now in favour of ND making a new Uncharted game. I want to see how they can horribly murder Nate and Sully.

Hell yeah I want to play all of Eddy's adventures!

Bring on Vaas from Far Cry 3 as well.

 

[Sub_Level]

Nanomachines......

PLAYED COLLEGE GOLF, YA KNOW

I COULD BREAK TIGER IN TWO WITH MY BARE HANDS

 

[EviLore]

Making a whole story plot from a fucking NPC has to be the most idiotic ploy ever. What's next? God of War 2 will be about the son of a fucking NPC troll hunt Kratos down and Kill him?

Aren’t your expectations subverted though?

 

[BluRayHiDef]

The first time that I played The Last of Us was on the base-model PlayStation 4; I bought a physical copy of The Last of Us Remastered. Though, I never finished it, because I honestly became bored of its gameplay; I sold it to GameStop.

However, these leaks from the sequel have me interested in the story, because the overthetop incorporation of identity politics into the story is shocking, as well as the violence. So, I want to experience how these aspects of the game are executed.

Hence, in preparation of the sequel, I bought a digital copy of the Remastered edition of the first game from the PlayStation Store and plan on completing the campaign that I began six years ago. I actually discovered that my original save file has been on my PS4 Pro after all these years (I transferred all of my data from my base-model PS4 to my PS4 Pro).

I'm at the part just after you meet a father and son and begin journeying with them.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I’m glad it leaked, just for the fact that we got a lengthy heads-up on all this content, and can make an informed choice.

It’d be nice if this happened for every woke/subvert your expectations game/movie/show/book.

If crap like playing as some kind of mutant woke fantasy for half the game, and pushing a loved character out of the story altogether to make room for said fantasy, in the most pathetic way, continues to be stealthily shoveled into these games, people who give us the heads up are quasi-heroes, in my view.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I do have to allow room for the decision to ditch Joel not being woke. That might have been a genuine storytelling desire. The character designs and Druckmann’s own comments do nothing but stoke the flames of this possibility, though.

This type loves to replace established heroes with ones that meet modern leftist doctrine.

 

[cormack12]

Druckmann quote

....can we come up with a story that doesn’t repeat what we’ve done before or doesn’t go in such a different direction that it doesn’t fit with what we’ve done before with The Last of Us?

Think that's a fail. This game has such a dependency here.

It's got to make you dislike Ellie (or something Ellie does) enough to root for Abby.
Joel was a well liked protagonist despite his flaws, or reckless abandonment of the 'greater good', it's not 'ballsy' or subversive to get you to play from the other perspective. Imagine just picking up from THAT point in RDR as Edgar Ross......

It will still sell shitloads and I'll probably be there day one. Thought I might wait until Sunday to see some gameplay and initial reactions.

 

[Cato]

Yeah, people thinking that it'll make a big bulk in the sales are obviously a bit delusional, though I'd never say never. The general audience will generally not get this information, and even if they do, it's likely to make them aware of the product and more curious, so it can often boost sales. It's also why companies trying to be uncontroversial is just silly and makes you wonder whether they should be more bold for exposure.

Agree. This will nor affect the sales of TLOU2 in any meaningful way at all.
If any sales are at risk, it would be for TLOU3, but that still depends on how people react to the gameplay of TLOU2.

Personally what I have seen of the plot, I doubt people will be as emotionally attached to the characters when they finish TLOU2 compared to TLOU1 and that could affect TLOU3. But I could be wrong.

Myself will play TLOU2 on day one. I really want to see how they will pull off "your goal is to hunt down and kill this lesbian couple, one of which is pregnant". If in 2020 Druckmann can pull that off while building an emotional attachment to Abbey then he IS a genius.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Another leak! I can't take this!

 

[-Arcadia-]

I expect the sales to be similar to The Last Jedi. Maybe better, because I think TloU2 will still be an awesome game as a whole.

Essentially, it will do gangbusters on release, chill out due to word of mouth, with a backlash growing and growing until TLoU3 faces some very real problems.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

I’m glad it leaked, just for the fact that we got a lengthy heads-up on all this content, and can make an informed choice.

It’d be nice if this happened for every woke/subvert your expectations game/movie/show/book.

If crap like playing as some kind of mutant woke fantasy for half the game, and pushing a loved character out of the story altogether to make room for said fantasy, in the most pathetic way, continues to be stealthily shoveled into these games, people who give us the heads up are quasi-heroes, in my view.

That's not what happened though they released 10 mins of the game and a potential right up the plot focusing on controversial decisions in game leaving out details that could explain certain things.

If they wanted to help people make an informed decisions on purchasing the game, they could of just recorded the whole play through of the game and released it on a torrent site,

I'm not angry they leaked it acutally makes more excited as its clear they wanted ND to get bad press and by not showing gameplay that makes think that it must be good.

 

[-Arcadia-]

That's not what happened though they released 10 mins of the game and a potential right up the plot focusing on controversial decisions in game leaving out details that could explain certain things.

If they wanted to help people make an informed decisions on purchasing the game, they could of just recorded the whole play through of the game and released it on a torrent site,

I'm not angry they leaked it acutally makes more excited as its clear they wanted ND to get bad press and by not showing gameplay that makes think that it must good.

I’m not sure the details will change much. The broad strokes of what this story is, are completely out in the open, and it’s very unappealing. It could end up slightly more or less appealing, but the structure of this, is what it is.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Joel wouldn't be able to maintain that weight and size without consuming enough calories daily.

Lets not forget that Joel suffered serious injury in the first game, which would have resulted in a massive weight loss. The point is, realistically, Joel and Bill should be skinny.

How many women have I seen like this on a daily bases? I've seen some, considering I go to the gym (well not not since the virus) weekly.

If you can nitpick and say women don't look like this during a pandemic, then you can same the same for these men.

Joel is not even that muscular. Is neogaf filled with twigs like Abby's 'boyfriend'?

 

[Jill Valentine]

Anyone waiting for the Critical Drinker episode? There's no way he's not working on one.

 

[lifa-cobex]

 

[TheGreatYosh]

I mean, I imagine I could totally relate with her character and thirst for revenge, especially since from her perspective, Joel was just some dude who busted in and shot up her dad while he was trying to develop a cure to save the world.

But still, we have the full context for why Joel did what he did, and I'm never going to think he or Ellie are the real villains.

That's great. They could have made a complex antagonist that's justified from her perspective. Instead they made her brutally kill the character most people were attached to, and best protagonist in the game. Then expect us to be joyed after they flip it and we play as roided up main character killer.

 

[Strategize]

This is good video, it's a shame his comment section seemed to ignore most of his points though. Also there's still this big thing for some reason about "Evil Christians" being the main antagonist yet there's nothing in the leaks that even reference them at all.

That rumor came from a fake 4chan leak that got proven completely wrong the second these leaks started to hit, so why is this still being parroted?

That's great. They could have made a complex antagonist that's justified from her perspective. Instead they made her brutally kill the character most people were attached to, and best protagonist in the game. Then expect us to be joyed after they flip it and we play as roided up main character killer.

I don't think they expect you to be "joyed" about it at all. Neither of them are heroes.

 

[gojira96]

Anyone waiting for the Critical Drinker episode? There's no way he's not working on one.

It's the first thing I thought about after watching the leaks

 

[DForce]

Joel is not even that muscular. Is neogaf filled with twigs like Abby's 'boyfriend'?

He should be skinny if we want to be 100% accurate.

 

[Justin9mm]

Who knocked up Dina?

Spoiler.. Abby is actually a man, she knocked up Dina and that's why Ellie is mad and seeking revenge

 

[The Mad Draklor]

This whole thread is cringe worthy.

Why don’t you wait to play the game or just avoid it if you saw the spoilers and didn’t like it?

"Don't question game. Just consume product."

 

[Zabant]

I think it's fair to say even this early the game isn't going to garner the same amount of universal acclaim Part 1 did.
I was worried when I found out the creative director was best friends with Sarkeesian, but hoped the game would aim for broader appeal, that is looking less likely.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

This is good video, it's a shame his comment section seemed to ignore most of his points though. Also there's still this big thing for some reason about "Evil Christians" being the main antagonist yet there's nothing in the leaks that even reference them at all.

That rumor came from a fake 4chan leak that got proven completely wrong the second these leaks started to hit, so why is this still being parroted?

I don't think they expect you to be "joyed" about it at all. Neither of them are heroes.

You're paying 60 dollars for a bait and switch. I don't mean it as games are only supposed to be fun. There is one decent idea in these leakes ruined by a lack of creative oversight, and a transparent agenda.

He should be skinny if we want to be 100% accurate.

He is skinny. He doesn't look like a roided up gym rat like Abby... and he's a guy!

 

[NeoGiffer]

Hi all, hope you're having a wonderful weekend.

I sadly have to be the bearer of bad news and announce that on the web there are massive leaks concerning The Last Of Us Part 2.

 

[Jbomb19]

I mean, I imagine I could totally relate with her character and thirst for revenge, especially since from her perspective, Joel was just some dude who busted in and shot up her dad while he was trying to develop a cure to save the world.

But still, we have the full context for why Joel did what he did, and I'm never going to think he or Ellie are the real villains.

Gonna save my final judgment after playing the final game but I’m kind of interested in the idea that Abby is like the inverse of Joel - he was a father who lost his daughter and now we have a daughter who lost her father. That being said how dare they touch daddy Joel!!!!

I mean, I always assumed Joel was gonna die in this one so I have prepared myself for a while to mourn him. Again, wanna judge his final moments when I play the whole game in its final form.

 

[DForce]

He is skinny. He doesn't look like a roided up gym rat like Abby... and he's a guy!

That's not Skinny. David is skinny. Joel and Bill are not.

 

[Anchovie123]

Does anyone remember the very first trailer with Ellie playing guitar and singing? I remember people speculating that Joel was a ghost that guides Ellie along. I thought these people were batshit crazy lmao but now seeing the trailer again after knowing Joel is dead and Ellies motivations, it actually seems like Joel would be a ghost (at least in this trailer) by the way its set up.

 

[Hendrick's]

Ugh at that Druckman conference. I forgot about that.

 

[Velius]

Spoiler

Joel gets his head smashed in by a woman with a golf club to make a statement about rich white men and to make way for more girl power

Are you fucking serious?

 

[TheGreatYosh]

That's not Skinny. David is skinny. Joel and Bill are not.

Regardless, Joel looks like a blue collar fit dude. Abby looks like a fit dude with modern science.

 

[Hendrick's]

Are you fucking serious?

Sadly yes. Well the girl part is subjective.

 

[DForce]

Are you fucking serious?

Reasons behind it is false.

 

[Strategize]

You're paying 60 dollars for a bait and switch. I don't mean it as games are only supposed to be fun. There is one decent idea in these leakes ruined by a lack of creative oversight, and a transparent agenda.

Explain.

 

[Jbomb19]

Reasons behind it is false.

Yeah I dont know how they got the "white man, girl power" reasoning. unless there's a leak somewhere where abby is yelling "this is because I hate white men, girl power!" that we missed.

 

[Sakura Doritos]

Gamers: oh, Ellie is a lesbian. I mean... it doesn’t matter if she’s a lesbian. It has nothing to do with anything so good for you Inguess ND.

ND: Fair enough gamers. Well take on that challenge and make being lesbian the single most important thing about the post apocalypse you ever did see.

Gamers: Your swinging too hard there ND.

ND: Well then we’ll also make swinging important too.

Gamers: sigh... we were talking distance not sexual proclivities....

 

[Clear]

Are you fucking serious?

Ignore him, he's projecting.

A golf club is pretty good makeshift cudgel and all that's shown in the leak is Joel knocked senseless, but still moving. We do not see any coup-de-grace.

But then again, what do you expect when people are parroting about the "shocking" death of another character when the actual footage floating around shows this NOT TO BE THE CASE.