I saw it coming I knew the world wasn't prepared.
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I saw it coming I knew the world wasn't prepared.
Our perception of time isn't really applicable at a quantum level, especially on a scale smaller than Planck time, which is where Scott presumably found himself. It was, as far as we know, the least outlandish part of the movie.
whatsinaname
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I definitely understand the usual comments about Marvel villains but I thought Cross was quite decent. His motivations were consistent (and even understandable to an extent - Pym was a bit of a dick to him). The way he killed the guy in the beginning (and his reaction to Janet's questions about the goat) established a complete lack of restraint. He was intelligent, the way he kept track of Scott disappearing from jail and realising there was a new ant-man. His suit looked good and the fight scenes with Scott were good. True, he might not be a Gruber or an Immortan Joe, but I didn't think he was Marvel-tier.
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So I'm sure this has been brought up but there's no way they got all the guards out in time during the pym heist. Seems like some folks got caught up in the implosion.
Scientist Supreme!
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Watch it again. My only complaint would be it's starts a little slow but boy is that ride at the end great.
I mean I didn't find it completely outlandish. It was more of the way it was presented: one second he's in the morphing void and then in a span of two seconds he whips out the enlargening disc, plugs it in, and zooms back to normal size. And there isn't even a moment where he acknowledges that he cheated a fate worse than death. He tells Pym he doesn't remember what happened after the fact and then...that's it.
I guess I just expected a little more emphasis on the emotional aspect of willingly diving into this desperate void and managing to get back out.
It did wrap itself up in a hurry, given that it was a pretty serious plot development.
Tons of innocent people probably died.
Dozens, I bet.
Paper Sparrow
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Sounds reasonable enough to me. I'm not about to strain my brain on the science in a comic book movie.
Anyway, I liked it. Thomas the tank engine just kept delivering.
Scientist Supreme!
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Darren after Scott messes up his suit. His right arm was sucked up first.
Tonally, it felt quite reminiscent of Cap 1.
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Pretty much, then again I never really put the avengers movies up in a pedestal. We'll see when the people who did WS could make them better.
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I still haven't seen Avengers 2 yet and I am a pretty big Marvel fan. I did go see Ant Man and it was a solid movie and was a very different feel and that is what made it special. Paul Rudd really nailed the part. I am glad they covered Pymms history the way the did but still kept forward momentum.
A minor thing that bothered me about that sequence was the implication that he could hear his daughters voice and that was keeping him connected to the normal world. Sound doesn't work like that.
More_Badass
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Well technically Daredevil had the first hints to the mystical side of Marvel. I think it was more clear as "otherworldly" and magic there than here. The Quantum Realm is still slightly based in science, while the stuff in Daredevil is definitely mystical
It could have been the last thing he heard. We also hear Pym's voice so it could also be all in Scott's head
Yeah, that was definitely in his head.
Oh. I missed that.
Cross was one of the best MCU villains yet, if not the best. I loved him, he felt very menacing and creepy. Plus he had that awesome fight scene with ant man at the end. I compare it to other super hero vs villain fights in the other movies and I can't really think of too many that compare to it.
This movie. I dont know why Marvel picked Ant Man of all their properties to spend the money on for a movie. This could have been an awesome Winter Soldier movie hunting Hydra, or the Black Panther movie for some diversity atleast, but no they went with the most obscure and random hero that is rarely even used in the comics anymore. There just isnt that much to the character or his villans, Hell Hank Pym is the only thing special about Ant Man and hes the closest thing the MCU has to a Reed Richards.
The only way this movie could have tied into the MCU was to have Ultron made by Pym like in the comics. Having Stark make Ultron completely made Ant Man basically worthless as far as plot goes.
As a comedy and stand alone movie it was ok. The villan wasnt very special and his motivations were the worst in the MCU since maybe Ronin or the guy from Iron Man 3. I just honestly dont see why this character matters at all or why anyone should even care. Only Marvel knows what they are doing.
The only way this movie could have tied into the MCU was to have Ultron made by Pym like in the comics. Having Stark make Ultron completely made Ant Man basically worthless as far as plot goes.
As a comedy and stand alone movie it was ok. The villan wasnt very special and his motivations were the worst in the MCU since maybe Ronin or the guy from Iron Man 3. I just honestly dont see why this character matters at all or why anyone should even care. Only Marvel knows what they are doing.
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Was the tank and subatomic parts really predictable?
It's always easy to say so afterwards!
"Pssssh. Of COURSE Star-Lord was going to have dance off with Ronan at the end of the movie.
I was getting suspicious whenever they kept on showing his keychain. Dunno about the subatomic part. I spoiled that prior to watching.
RoninChaos
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Didn't realize there were two after credit scenes. We left after the first one. What was the second?
BrightLightLava
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I think they were. Though it didn't really detract from either sequence too much (the odd physics of the tank bursting out of the building was more an issue than the obviousness of it).
Yeah, they were. This isn't exactly a show which aims to surprise or shock. There's nothing inherently wrong with being predictable if what it aims to do is just be an enjoyable ride though. The camera lingered on the tank keychain a lot throughout the film, and there was too much emphasis on "not messing with the regulator" and the dangers of going subatomic for it not to play a role in the finale.
SwiftDeath
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I MISSED THE SECOND AFTER CREDIT SCENE
Eh the tank was super predictable I thought. Both me and my brother discussed it as soon as the shot in the house of it was first shown as being something important then again when they showed it in the metal detector scene
There was no reason to frame the first shot in the house of the keychain like that unless it was to suggest some grander future purpose but maybe that's just me
Subatomic stuff was somewhat less predictable but I thought it was still fairly expected
Eh the tank was super predictable I thought. Both me and my brother discussed it as soon as the shot in the house of it was first shown as being something important then again when they showed it in the metal detector scene
There was no reason to frame the first shot in the house of the keychain like that unless it was to suggest some grander future purpose but maybe that's just me
Subatomic stuff was somewhat less predictable but I thought it was still fairly expected
It was. Pym had a tank on a key chain and was a master of shrinking shit, it wasn't really much of a stretch.
Dufase19089
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Imma miss this guy...
It was for me.
They showed that tank a few times. It's a key chain. Why keep showing it? And since they can shrink stuff...
I told my friend "i bet it's real tank". Bingo.
The subatomic thing is like the "don't cross the streams" from ghostbusters like someone already mentioned.
"You can't do it or you will die". So i imagined at some point he would have to do it and survive.
Imma miss this guy...
Antony was a true bro, he went before his time.
So...about a month?
Don't talk shit about Antony! But yeah...about a month...
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Hmm. I also thought the keychain tank was a real tank while the subatomic stuff was just for the Janet reveal. I guess they were predictable, I just felt the way they used them surprising which as people have said isn't a problem.
BrightLightLava
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I feel like the briefcase was an Edgar Wright part of the script. There's that video that cross shows to the potential buyers that has a few things that the Yellow Jacket can be used for. One of them is going into a briefcase, the other is sabotaging technology, and then it talks about killing people. I figured it was one of those Wright touches where he tells you what's going to happen before it happens.
They do go into a briefcase, he does sabotage the tech in the Yellow Jacket, and that does kill Cross, so it sort of fits.
It was still satisfying seeing what they did with those things. I was just waiting for the perfect opportunity for the tank to come into play and the subatomic stuff was just as exciting as seeing the superheroes from the comics come to life. We all expect this stuff but you wanna see how the MCU is going to portray it. Just like wanting to see Asgard on screen I was just waiting to see how Marvel was going to show the Microverse.
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