Ant-Man |Spoiler Thread| I Think Our First Move Should Be Calling The Avengers
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I don't think the show did a very good job of communicating the side effects of Pym Particles at all. They suggest that Cross might be mentally unsound because of his research, but that doesn't really seem to be the case. His character just seems like an obsessed guy who's also a psychopath. There isn't really any indication that he was ever a good person.
Pym himself doesn't seem mentally damaged by the years of suit usage either. The entire scene with them suggesting that it might be why he's not the one in the suit is really weird, because I mean, isn't there a much more obvious reason why Hank Pym isn't putting on the Ant-man suit to infiltrate the lab? Maybe... it's because he's... over 60 years old? Being Ant-man seems to be a pretty athletic calling, with lots of jumping, running, dodging, fighting... not really something you want a grandpa to do.
If there is in fact a side effect of the Pym Particles that has a lasting effect, the movie did a piss poor job of showing it. I choose instead to believe that they were just making excuses for Cross because deep down he didn't want to believe that his protege was a stone cold killer.
Pym himself doesn't seem mentally damaged by the years of suit usage either. The entire scene with them suggesting that it might be why he's not the one in the suit is really weird, because I mean, isn't there a much more obvious reason why Hank Pym isn't putting on the Ant-man suit to infiltrate the lab? Maybe... it's because he's... over 60 years old? Being Ant-man seems to be a pretty athletic calling, with lots of jumping, running, dodging, fighting... not really something you want a grandpa to do.
If there is in fact a side effect of the Pym Particles that has a lasting effect, the movie did a piss poor job of showing it. I choose instead to believe that they were just making excuses for Cross because deep down he didn't want to believe that his protege was a stone cold killer.
The real reason Pym wasn't in the suit was PLOT. I mean even Cross acknowledged that Pym could still punch pretty hard. Although maybe Pym has developed super strength outside the suit due to usage...
Escape Goat
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No, it was in the movie.
I think they decided they were gonna embrace the cheesy name.
I have a feeling Pym's work with his particles affected the orbitofrontal cortex, the part of the brain that's responsible for impulsivity. It's why he makes such a big deal out of wearing the helmet, and probably one of the things the Yellowjacket suit failed to account for, because Cross built it without Pym's guidance.
It would have been nice if they made that clear in the film, though. I actually liked how it managed to brush up against actual science in several places, especially when Scott (ostensibly) becomes smaller than the Planck length. They took a chance at being consistent with quantum physics, one of the hardest things for folks to wrap their minds around, and they did pretty well! I'm surprised they didn't take a second to explain a potential neurological side-effect of using this technology, especially when it can be done so easily.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Did Cross know the Pym version of the suit could control ants? When he gives his spiel in the beginning he doesn't mention it but he doesn't exactly seem surprised when they start biting him.
I think he means the subtitle for the main OT, "Is it too late to change the name?", which iirc wasn't in the movie. This thread's "call the avengers" line was in though.
Escape Goat
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Oh, yes. I see.
I dunno. That seemed like a "wow you punch pretty hard for an old man" comment. There's nothing to suggest that Pym isn't anything more than a healthy rich old person who has kept in shape. It would be a terrible idea for him to put on the suit and actually try to do acrobatic stuff. I'm not even sure why it was brought up.
I was somewhat joking but it was weird for them to bring up why Pym wasn't in the suit but then give some weird off answer instead of the obvious one unless it was some stupid sequel foreshadowing.
It kinda feels like there was a larger subplot involving the dangers of prolonged exposure to Pym Particles which somehow got removed. On one hand, there is tons of foreshadowing for it - the mention of Cross being affected by the particles, Pym giving some non-committal answer about having used the suit for too long, Pym not wanting Hope to put on the suit, Scott talking about how he is expendable, etc.
But in the end it seems they just wanted to go with "being the Ant-man could be dangerous!" rather than "exposure to Pym Particles could destroy your brain. Probably because if they realized it would be a dead end if they did that, since they wanted Hope to become the Wasp anyway, and Scott would have to continue being Ant-man even after the mission.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I thought Pym wasn't in the suit because last time he wore it he saw his wife die and couldn't put it on again. He was initially vague about it because he hadn't yet told his Daughter how his wife died when he was explaining it. It seemed pretty clear to me though.
I am surprised how people didnt noticed this, it was the most obivious thing in the world.
Rabbi_Vole
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I thought it was pretty good. I'd put it slightly below Thor 2, but above Thor 1, Iron Man 2, AoU, and Cpl America 1.
Didn't care for the "Siri" scene. Thought it was lame.
You don't mess with Baskin Robins.
Didn't care for the "Siri" scene. Thought it was lame.
You don't mess with Baskin Robins.
Just got back from watching it and I liked it. Some of the jokes were too clever I think for a wide audience but they were pretty funny. Dude whistling "Its a small world" was pretty subtle.
I didn't understand what was going on with Bucky in the end credit scene though. Was he captured or were they trying to fix his arm that was damaged or something? It seemed like the latter and they need AntMan to shrink down and fix him but I wasn't sure if that's what they were hinting at.
I didn't understand what was going on with Bucky in the end credit scene though. Was he captured or were they trying to fix his arm that was damaged or something? It seemed like the latter and they need AntMan to shrink down and fix him but I wasn't sure if that's what they were hinting at.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Anyone else really want to see Hank Pym interact with Tony Stark now? I hope they signed Douglas on for more than one movie so we get to see that.
As awesome as this TV spot is, it doesn't really do the movie any justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv2-Vowc1v8
Marketing has been all over the place for this movie. They should have just focused on showing the movie for what it was, a heist movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv2-Vowc1v8
Marketing has been all over the place for this movie. They should have just focused on showing the movie for what it was, a heist movie.
SillyEskimo
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It was great IMO. Top tier Marvel movie. I think it was the best solo origin movie right next to Iron Man 1.
The shrinking scenes, combined with Imax and 3D, were amazing fun. The 3D in general was some of the best in the MCU.
Considering how much of the movie was CGI, I am impressed it never felt like I was watching a video game. Especially when compared to something like Green Lantern.
I'm happy I was on a media blackout for this movie. Lots of surprises and funny moments. I thought the aging and de-aging in the opening scene was so well done that it was disturbing.
I thought at the end Pym was going to go subatomic to try and find his wife. Douglas did a great job with the character. He seemed really enjoy the role.
The Wasp reveal was fantastic. So was the Avengers/Civil War tie in.
The shrinking scenes, combined with Imax and 3D, were amazing fun. The 3D in general was some of the best in the MCU.
Considering how much of the movie was CGI, I am impressed it never felt like I was watching a video game. Especially when compared to something like Green Lantern.
I'm happy I was on a media blackout for this movie. Lots of surprises and funny moments. I thought the aging and de-aging in the opening scene was so well done that it was disturbing.
I thought at the end Pym was going to go subatomic to try and find his wife. Douglas did a great job with the character. He seemed really enjoy the role.
The Wasp reveal was fantastic. So was the Avengers/Civil War tie in.
Got back from this about an hour ago. Overall I enjoyed it. I had a few gripes though:
1) I thought the training sequence in the middle was pretty bad. It was a solid twenty minutes of exposition and jokes that didn't land.
2) The fight with the Falcon was really cool but felt shoehorned in.
3) They really hyped up the dangers of quantum level shrinkage only to have Lang figure out how to escape immediately. Hopefully they explore that aspect more in Ant Man 2, because its potential was completely wasted in this film.
Overall I just really liked the vibe of the movie. It had a different feel than other films, and that was my biggest concern going in. The marketing made it seem much more generic than it is.
1) I thought the training sequence in the middle was pretty bad. It was a solid twenty minutes of exposition and jokes that didn't land.
2) The fight with the Falcon was really cool but felt shoehorned in.
3) They really hyped up the dangers of quantum level shrinkage only to have Lang figure out how to escape immediately. Hopefully they explore that aspect more in Ant Man 2, because its potential was completely wasted in this film.
Overall I just really liked the vibe of the movie. It had a different feel than other films, and that was my biggest concern going in. The marketing made it seem much more generic than it is.
2002whitegt
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lol, the TV spot is pretty awesome, but almost none of it was in the movie, lol. Deleted scenes must be pretty cool, looks like they fixed a casino job.
U n i o n 0015
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Does anyone know HOW Cross got into the Yellowjacket suit so quickly?
Ant-Man's in the helicopter, the Yellowjacket suit is TINY, and then all of a sudden Cross is in the suit.
Overall, really enjoyed the movie, though.
Ant-Man's in the helicopter, the Yellowjacket suit is TINY, and then all of a sudden Cross is in the suit.
Overall, really enjoyed the movie, though.
How did Scott put on the Ant-Man suit in less than 10 seconds when he was in the cell?
Suspension of disbelief.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It would have been cool if it was an even more advanced variant on Iron Man's Mark 47 armour that flew onto him.
It like... zipped itself onto him. I'll let that one go cause it was a cool scene.
that apple hate is strong.
U n i o n 0015
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Yeah, but that makes more sense because you can justify someone getting changed really quickly.
Harder to suspend disbelief when a full-size dude either shrinks to fit a tiny suit, or the suit enlarges and he changes into the suit while the people in his helicopter are being attacked.
Father_Brain
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Enjoyed this a lot, but there were some very weird editing decisions, right? For instance, we never see Cross put on the Yellowjacket suit - in one scene, he's just reacting angrily to the building being destroyed, then in the very next scene he's in, he's in the suit and blasting away at Scott.
It goes from Scott hanging on by the strap to Cross eyeing the case to Scott climbing into the copter to Yellowjacket standing up. It's a bit too fast but it makes sense. It could have been edited better but we also don't know what it looks like when you put the suit on. Tony is able to suit up in about as much time now but the iron man armor is definitely more advanced in some areas.
Comic wasp can shoot bio electricity.
She fires 'stinger' blasts. Not really devastating, but always manage to get massive bad guys off balance so that the other Avengers have an opening....
...and the fact that Janet is amazing.
Baron_Calamity
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I see this.
Who is that?
George Oscar Bluth II
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She's in it quite a bit.
She's in it for notably more than that,
and she'll be in a far bigger role going forward.
She's in like 1/3 of the film.
Schweinehund
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Pym and Hope were more charismatic than Lang. I wish both of them suited up instead.
Movie was ok, sits just below Thor and Cap 1 for me and a little bit above AoU.
I thought AoU was funnier, but it also spat out like 10 quips per minute. Theater was mostly mum, the biggest reactions is when they zoomed out on the fighting and when Yellow Jacket was swatted into the bug zapper.
Movie was ok, sits just below Thor and Cap 1 for me and a little bit above AoU.
I thought AoU was funnier, but it also spat out like 10 quips per minute. Theater was mostly mum, the biggest reactions is when they zoomed out on the fighting and when Yellow Jacket was swatted into the bug zapper.
Baron_Calamity
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Baron Karza, the evil ruler of the Microverse.
I'm guessing that Hope/Wasp's stingers will be the same plasma blasts used by Yellowjacket.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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So Ant Man's secret identity is still unknown to the public right? I wonder if Civil War is going to be about him registering.
Pai Pai Master
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Saw the movie earlier today and loved it. Felt like something Phase 2 sorely lacked.
LegionAgent
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Just came back from watching it, had a great time. Movie was a lot of fun, even if it had some flaws here and there. Looking forward to Lang's future in MCU.
A question now: In the last Peña gag, with Falcon and the reporter, did they tease someone else besides Spider-Man? Because the dialog was going fast and I didn't catch all of it.
A question now: In the last Peña gag, with Falcon and the reporter, did they tease someone else besides Spider-Man? Because the dialog was going fast and I didn't catch all of it.
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