Pai Pai Master
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She (or Luis I guess) said someone who jumps, swings and climbs up walls. It all sounds like Spidey to me.
Ant-Man |Spoiler Thread| I Think Our First Move Should Be Calling The Avengers
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She (or Luis I guess) said someone who jumps, swings and climbs up walls. It all sounds like Spidey to me.
Yellowjacket was designed to be a weapon of war. I can't imagine Hank, being the pacifist he traditionally is, would suddenly go all gung-ho about weapons
...Spider-Woman? lol
Obliterator
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I think Wasp could be a fan favorite / big deal. My theater cheered a bit when they revealed the suit and that she was gonna become Wasp in the credits scene
badcrumble
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That's pretty clearly retrofitted into the script, considering that he's crazy and evil *before* he has ever shrunk himself (since he does it for the first time only after successfully shrinking a lamb). I suspect a lot of Cross and his motivations got cut and replaced by those short lines about Pym particles making you crazy, just like the doodad they supposedly needed from the Avengers facility got just one line to back it up.
Space Avocat
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Did anyone else think that after returning from the Microverse, Lang was going to come back and find everyone had aged a ton or that there would be some other crazy quantum effect?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I thought that he was going to overshoot and grow big and turn into giant man.
Obliterator
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Yup this is exactly what I thought was going to happen
Did they explicitly say it was exposure to the particles that make you go crazy? My recollection was the shrinking process itself was the issue. Which is kind of semantics as the particles are involved, but my takeaway was it was the atomic manipulation that was the issue and not the material itself.
Whatever it was, the movie doesn't quite deliver the messaging around it in a coherent way for sure. It comes off like there are some lines or a scene which have been cut.
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easterislandhead
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how did pym and wasp escape in the tank? I guess he had a bunch of shrinky ninja stars to get them and the tank small after murdering the police department?
Also Michael pena was/is great.
Also Michael pena was/is great.
Space Avocat
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This actually raises another question that I had regarding Ant-Man's power. If I'm not mistaken, Ant-Man retains his normal strength/mass when he shrinks. In the film, why is that he must train to restrain himself or else he might unleash a punch with force of a bullet? Is it some kind of Force = Mass x Acceleration and when he is tiny, he maintains mass but can accelerate faster situation? Or is it that the blow will just be concentrated in a much smaller area and therefore do more damage? Can someone help clarify?
Also, if he retains his normal strength while shrinking and resizing, what advantage is there in combat to become huge? Wouldn't he just be a giant punching bag?
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dissapointing movie
same old MARVEL STUDIOS trademark plot, with a shitty villian.
I think I overpayed. Got burned with this and Ultron
Never again Mahvel
same old MARVEL STUDIOS trademark plot, with a shitty villian.
I think I overpayed. Got burned with this and Ultron
Never again Mahvel
Yeah, the amount of Heist movies starts to get annoying.
Does anyone else find it funny how the Yellow Jacket had detailed knowledge of the entirety of their plan pretty much from the get-go and was more or less trolling Hank for the hell of it by randomly showing up in the worst locations and acting like he had figured everything out and then pretending like he knew absolutely nothing?
I'm also even more hype for the next Captain America movie after that 2nd post-credits scene. Can't wait for Civil War
I'm also even more hype for the next Captain America movie after that 2nd post-credits scene. Can't wait for Civil War
Never thought I'd say those words in an sentence ever.
I think he'd only figured it out by the time Scott infiltrated the Avengers facility. At most, when Scott escaped prison in the Ant-Man suit was the real tip-off. I don't think he was playing dumb the entire time.
Alcoremortis
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Yes, yes, yes.
I also want to see Hulk hit by a shrinking disk. That would be hilarious and devastating at the same time.
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I'm surprised the disk had no adverse affect on the ant
I don't really think it's a heist-heist movie. We're not talking about the Thomas Crown Affair or Ocean's Eleven here. Yes, it's a superhero movie centered around a heist being the plan of action, but in the end it still boils down to using superpowers to beat up a few grunts, and then having a prolonged power fest fist-fight with the final boss over multiple stages of action set pieces.
There isn't any thrill or ingenuity in the actual heist - not in the planning nor in the execution. The entertainment in the film comes from the comedy beats and character dynamics. The heist itself is paper thin.
Won't stop Hope from installing them.
Comic Wasp has just as much costumes as Spidey.
Seventy_X_Seven
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So ugh, if the science behind the pym particle is reducing the distance between atoms, how does he become smaller than an atom?
IT WAS NEVER JUST A HEIST!
The heist itself felt like a mid level heist. In interviews, they've said they came up with the Avengers facility section because they realized many heist films have a mini-warm up heist before the main event. The avengers faculty scene wasn't even a heist though, it's just a fight with a simple snatch and run. The main heist was entertaining enough but really needed at least 2 or 3 more moving parts.
It's a third act blow up a thon, but it's not structured as apocalypse #124214.
sti4thewin
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Ant Man is too OP. Being able to shrink objects and people is so good. Shrinking hulk/thors hammer/ captain americas shield == best avenger
I'm really hoping Ant Man tries shrinking a rampaging Hulk. Shrinking increases your strength and durability, Hulk would suddenly become even stronger and tougher to control instead of pacified.
Ant sized Hulk sounds extremely terrifying.
Hulk in the microsverse is a possibility now.
I went to a really early showing Sunday morning. Theatre was filled with kids mostly. They really got into the movie. Shrinking was a big hit with them. So were the ant scenes and Antonys death hit hard.
Callibretto
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Wouldn't Hulk turn into gooey mess if he got hit by shrink disc, the reason AntMan. And YellowJacket can shrink safely is because they had their special suit and helmet
If Scott can made a giant ant, he can make a tiny hulk.
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You should really watch the movie before you post
Lol.
Yeah, the Avengers facility scene was more Falcon vs Ant-man Dream Match #475639 than anything else. There's no heisting, and we don't even see him actually recover the item at all. The focus was on a superhero match up for fanservice sake. For the main heist I would say the biggest weakness in terms of being a "heist" is that there is zero geography in the facility.
A good heist film communicates the geography of the target location visually so audiences can follow the characters as they execute the plan, while always aware of the threats moving between rooms and so on. Here there isn't any of that, they just go in, complete a few vague objectives, and get out. There's no true sense of the entire facility being interconnected and following the heist step by step where all the rooms and obstacles are interconnected.
It was a heist movie more in the vein of something like Fast Five than Ocean's Eleven.
Lol.
Yeah, the Avengers facility scene was more Falcon vs Ant-man Dream Match #475639 than anything else. There's no heisting, and we don't even see him actually recover the item at all. The focus was on a superhero match up for fanservice sake.
A good heist film communicates the geography of the target location visually so audiences can follow the characters as they execute the plan, while always aware of the threats moving between rooms and so on. Here there isn't any of that, they just go in, complete a few vague objectives, and get out. There's no true sense of the entire facility being interconnected and following the heist step by step where all the rooms and obstacles are interconnected.
If you really want to pick nits, remember when they stole the "pinch" in Ocean's Eleven?
Simple smash and grab with no finesse or planning. It shows the guys sitting around in the van while all the action happens (and subsequently goes wrong) off-screen, in the building. There's no heisting, and we don't even see Matt Damon actually recover the item at all.
So by that logic, OCEAN'S ELEVEN ISN'T REALLY A HEIST MOVIE!
Alcoremortis
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Maybe the crazy invulnerability/regen that Hulk has might counteract that somehow?
clay_ghost
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The mini disk is a great weapon if you think about it. You can easily flush down the evidence too. Ant-man suit with it can be used as an assassin tools. No one can see it coming.
Rastafarian42
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Yeah the minute they went to the bathroom scene I knew something bad was going to happen oh for some reason it reminded me of the bathroom scene from Robocop.
WordAssassin
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I don't understand how people are upset about "Oh they made going Quantum so scary but Scott just uses the disc and he's out of there."
Uh, yeah. He had one last disc. That's the point. That's the ONLY reason he survived. Janet didn't have a disc, she just kept shrinking until she died for all we know (even though that's totally her silhouette when Scott goes quantum). If Scott hadn't had the last disc (which he almost lost, by the way) or if he had a shrinking one instead of a growing one, he would have been completely fucked and the movie would have ended right there.
Just because he happened to have a disc on him that saved his life doesn't make going Quantum any less dangerous. And now that he's done it an come back, that opens up all kinds of doors going forward.
I also feel like people forget that Scott is also really really smart? Sure they make the point that he's expendable but he's not just some crook that gets the suit, he knows his shit and there's even a montage of him working on/upgrading(?) the Any-Man suit. Probably another factor that saved his life when he went Quantum.
Uh, yeah. He had one last disc. That's the point. That's the ONLY reason he survived. Janet didn't have a disc, she just kept shrinking until she died for all we know (even though that's totally her silhouette when Scott goes quantum). If Scott hadn't had the last disc (which he almost lost, by the way) or if he had a shrinking one instead of a growing one, he would have been completely fucked and the movie would have ended right there.
Just because he happened to have a disc on him that saved his life doesn't make going Quantum any less dangerous. And now that he's done it an come back, that opens up all kinds of doors going forward.
I also feel like people forget that Scott is also really really smart? Sure they make the point that he's expendable but he's not just some crook that gets the suit, he knows his shit and there's even a montage of him working on/upgrading(?) the Any-Man suit. Probably another factor that saved his life when he went Quantum.
Agent Gibbs
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Thats the way i saw it
And i thought it was quite clear Corey Stahl had just gone mad over the years due to his obsession as well as the effects of his weird research
Pretty much my feeling exactly on this, one of the best solo origin movies, Rudd felt convincing and 'everyman' enough to have a wide appeal
I suspect in the next Ant-man Pym will don the suit to go to the microverse to look for Janet - the silhouette of her during Lang's shrinking was definitely foreshadowing her
I do wonder since it seems Ant-man was operating during Agent Carters Shield days, and since they cast some low level actors who werent really seen, could they include them in a later series of Agent Carter?
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Also Scott doesn't seem to remember what he did right?
crazyrabbits
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I thought that was supposed to be foreshadowing Tilda Swinton's character (the Ancient One, I think?) from Doctor Strange.
If Janet is still alive, she'd still be young, right?
Yeah, Pym asked him what he remembers and Scott said he's sorry but he couldn't remember anything. Pym assumed that the human brain couldn't process what it would be like to be sub-atomic.
Yeah, Pym asked him what he remembers and Scott said he's sorry but he couldn't remember anything. Pym assumed that the human brain couldn't process what it would be like to be sub-atomic.
Not with much/any clarity, no.
SomedayTheFire
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I was let down by the heist, since it was billed to be a heist movie from quite early on I was expecting more from it. In fact it was the most boring part of the film.
I'm of the opinion that Scott lied. He knows that if he told Pym how he survived, it would only drive him to dive inside the Microverse.
No, Pym would have been a baby during Agent Carter. The implosion bomb was Howards invention.
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