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[Shaanyboi]

I just read this from the Ant-Man IMDb page:

There is no way that is true. IMDB can be edited by anyone, and from the word "go, Wright was teasing the 'To Steal an Ant-Man' story arc. The only thing Wright seemed to have a problem with was Marvel getting more and more controlling and trying to insert more MCU connections. Apparently they changed elements of the script without his knowledge.

And exactly what the hell was going on with Cap, Winter Soldier, and Falcon? They just happened to find Bucky down there?

It was literally an out-of-context scene from Civil War. Same way Coulson finding Thor's hammer at the end of Iron Man 2 was literally a scene from Thor.

 

[KadeYuy]

I can't remember, why did they need the device from the avenger's storage?

Seemed kinda weird that they made a big deal about wiping the servers when they imploded the whole building.

 

[LogicStep]

Heh funny how tastes differ. I loved her hair like that, all I could think of whenever she was on screen was how hot she looked.

 

[Brianimaniac]

My memory is a little fuzzy, but isn't yellow jacket supposed to be an antihero and not out and out villain?

Yellowjacket is just one of the names Hank Pym used.

 

[strafer]

Heh funny how tastes differ. I loved her hair like that, all I could think of whenever she was on screen was how hot she looked.

yup, she rocks that short hair like a boss.

 

[Jarmel]

Yeah, the Avengers facility scene was more Falcon vs Ant-man Dream Match #475639 than anything else. There's no heisting, and we don't even see him actually recover the item at all. The focus was on a superhero match up for fanservice sake. For the main heist I would say the biggest weakness in terms of being a "heist" is that there is zero geography in the facility.

A good heist film communicates the geography of the target location visually so audiences can follow the characters as they execute the plan, while always aware of the threats moving between rooms and so on. Here there isn't any of that, they just go in, complete a few vague objectives, and get out. There's no true sense of the entire facility being interconnected and following the heist step by step where all the rooms and obstacles are interconnected.

If I was being more analytical, I would agree that the heist was piss poor in that there really wasn't much actual danger in the heist itself and it seemed fairly simple.

 

[Skunkers]

I really hope it doesn't turn into another case of

???

He really did become War Machine in the next movie though? You're upset he was recast?

 

[richiek]

So can someone explain to me the comic logic as to why their mass was that of a tiny person/object yet their strength is like that of a strong grown man?

I mean I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that the mass seems to be convenient when they want it to be.

It's always been apart of the Ant Man mythos. But yeah, it makes no sense at all.

 

[darkhunger]

So can someone explain to me the comic logic as to why their mass was that of a tiny person/object yet their strength is like that of a strong grown man?

I mean I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that the mass seems to be convenient when they want it to be.

It was only explained fairly recently as that Pym Particles can alter density as well as size. Why it took them so long to figure that out is anyone's guess.

 

[OldRoutes]

I can't remember, why did they need the device from the avenger's storage?

Seemed kinda weird that they made a big deal about wiping the servers when they imploded the whole building.

I don't think the original plan was to implode the whole building, it just went south when he got caught.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

That subatomic scene in 3D IMAX was worth the ticket price alone. Jaw hit the floor!

 

[guek]

If I was being more analytical, I would agree that the heist was piss poor in that there really wasn't much actual danger in the heist itself and it seemed fairly simple.

But Scott almost got ashed by the laser grid.

What was lacking was a sense of impending danger of getting caught - something usually emphasized in most heist scenes.

 

[Violence Jack]

There is no way that is true. IMDB can be edited by anyone, and from the word "go, Wright was teasing the 'To Steal an Ant-Man' story arc. The only thing Wright seemed to have a problem with was Marvel getting more and more controlling and trying to insert more MCU connections. Apparently they changed elements of the script without his knowledge.

Didn't think it was true either, but it was so out there as to why Wright left the project that I just had to share it.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Sorry to meses with your beloved mcu.

The heist consisted in a solo mission and punching bad guys. And then we have the expected qte sequence with his child on danger.

Entertaining yes. But ultimately a typical super hero origin.

Would have preferred a Hank Pym origin or a more comic centered film.

i would have preferred a more fully utilized mckay.

i wanted step brothers shrinkathon

this was much less funny.

pena was great, but overall rudd felt wasted. very much looking forward to seeing him bump up against the rest of the MCU, tone-wise tho.

 

[Jarmel]

But Scott almost got ashed by the laser grid.

What was lacking was a sense of impending danger of getting caught - something usually emphasized in most heist scenes.

That's really the only bit and it's obvious that he'll turn out fine. The heist just wasn't that interesting design-wise and much of the execution is fairly boring.

 

[-griffy-]

Saw this yesterday, thought it was just a super fun movie. Once again the villain in a Marvel movie is kind of just a generic bad guy, but the journey of the good characters was so fun that it just didn't really matter.

Loved how the climax was a complete inversion of the typical Marvel third act. Scale was obviously as small as it could conceivably be (and then infinitely smaller!). The stakes were one man's daughter rather than the planet or an entire continent or whatever. The "arena" was a kid's bedroom. Instead of a baddie with an unlimited army of faceless drones (Loki and aliens, Ultron and robots, etc), it was one bad guy vs. the hero with the faceless army of ants.

Just an enjoyable two hours overall, really liked the MCU connections (always get a kick out of Peggy Carter appearances, and more Slattery as Howard Stark is always welcome). Credits scenes were both hype.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

What was the whole deal with the Pym particles messing up brain chemistry? Was the version the bad guy working with (and I'm referring to the useable one) unstable? And even if it was he almost never used it (given that it'd kill him prior to his late success) so I'm not really sure how much exposure he would have had to them directly.

 

[OldRoutes]

What was the whole deal with the Pym particles messing up brain chemistry? Was the version the bad guy working with (and I'm referring to the useable one) unstable? And even if it was he almost never used it (given that it'd kill him prior to his late success) so I'm not really sure how much exposure he would have had to them directly.

The Helmet Pym made apparently prevented the brain to be intoxicated..

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The Helmet Pym made apparently prevented the brain to be intoxicated..

no, the helmet kept you from being goo

the intoxication thing was never adequately explained. when hope mentioned it, it seemed like a ploy to distract darren. when hank mentioned it, it sounded like bullshit to distract from the truth about janet.

it would be phenomenally stupid to have it be a real thing, because then scott already has a ticking clock as a super hero. nobody wants a spawn movie. nobody ever wanted a spawn movie.

 

[guek]

no, the helmet kept you from being goo

the intoxication thing was never adequately explained. when hope mentioned it, it seemed like a ploy to distract darren. when hank mentioned it, it sounded like bullshit to distract from the truth about janet.

it would be phenomenally stupid to have it be a real thing, because then scott already has a ticking clock as a super hero. nobody wants a spawn movie. nobody ever wanted a spawn movie.

No, Pym said the helmet prevents Pym particles from messing with your brain chemistry.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

So, were Hope and Cross a thing when the movie starts? It seemed like they at least had some sort of history that went beyond just running Pym Industries.

 

[F0rneus]

No, Pym said the helmet prevents Pym particles from messing with your brain chemistry.

Kind of on topic here, but I distinctively remember Hank in the comics becoming super small to pleasure Janet, and asking her the same in return, and he was small and naked. For some reason, that's the image that popped up to me while watching the film hahahaha.

So, were Hope and Cross a thing when the movie starts? It seemed like they at least had some sort of history that went beyond just running Pym Industries.

I definitely felt that they were closer than friends at some point. But maybe we are wrong, since the film never really says anything about it.

 

[Sinatar]

No, Pym said the helmet prevents Pym particles from messing with your brain chemistry.

Yup.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

No, Pym said the helmet prevents Pym particles from messing with your brain chemistry.

But Darren Cross had no direct exposure to pym particles until the end. Unless it messes you up by being near them.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The goo was just a thing because Cross hadn't cracked the formula yet for shrinking organic lifeforms. It's the helmet that keeps the brain from being affected, it might be possible that Cross' already unstable nature was pushed further just from working on it, and when his Yellowjacket helmet is compromised that's when he really goes nuts.

It wasn't explained very well and I'm not sure I'm 100% on it, but that's what I got from the movie.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

No, Pym said the helmet prevents Pym particles from messing with your brain chemistry.

then why did he say that the brain chemistry problems were what stopped him from being ant man?

 

[OldRoutes]

But Darren Cross had no direct exposure to pym particles until the end. Unless it messes you up by being near them.

That's not clear either, but it could be the proximity or when he put on the suit before (which he might've).

I think we're wrongly assuming the helicopter fight was the first time he did put it on.

then why did he say that the brain chemistry problems were what stopped him from being ant man?

The technology itself is taxing on the body. I think it's two different issues.

 

[Blader]

then why did he say that the brain chemistry problems were what stopped him from being ant man?

Hank just said that being Ant-Man took a toll on him. My reading of that scene was that it's meant to make you think he's talking about the biological/neurological effects of using Pym particles, but that he's actually talking about Janet, and that losing his wife when he was Ant-Man prompted him to hang it up.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Hank just said that being Ant-Man took a toll on him. My reading of that scene was that it's meant to make you think he's talking about the biological/neurological effects of using Pym particles, but that he's actually talking about Janet, and that losing his wife when he was Ant-Man prompted him to hang it up.

This - he was still trying to hide the truth from Hope to protect her. Even if he told her and came to terms with losing his wife, its likely Hope would still be willing to risk herself for the mission and Hank was doing everything he could to avoid that.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The confusion about Cross insanity and the effect of the Particles, and the nature of the helmet all point to the script changes that were made. Probably why the overly long middle section as well.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The confusion about Cross insanity and the effect of the Particles, and the nature of the helmet all point to the script changes that were made. Probably why the overly long middle section as well.

yup.

although i'd point to the overboring first hour as opposed to the pretty dece middle

 

[tomtom94]

yup.

although i'd point to the overboring first hour as opposed to the pretty dece middle

I suspect the reason the opening hour is so full of exposition is that there was a budget cut which forced them to cut certain scenes.

 

[guek]

I suspect the reason the opening hour is so full of exposition is that there was a budget cut which forced them to cut certain scenes.

One of the early trailers had more scenes of Pym as Ant-Man that I wish the movie had kept :-(

For me, the weakest aspect of the movie is definitely the overload of exposition between the 1st and 2nd act. Definitely could have been done in a way that didn't make the film drag so much.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

yup.

although i'd point to the overboring first hour as opposed to the pretty dece middle

Either/Or. I didn't think the film really got going until the 3rd act.

 

[Radec]

Are there any Easter egg from the movie? Didn't noticed one ;/

 

[Pepiope]

Just watched this on Saturday.

Spoiler

RIP Anthony

 

[fallengorn]

Are there any Easter egg from the movie? Didn't noticed one ;/

There's a few, though don't know what type of easter egg you're looking for.

There's the Spidey reference. The Milgrom Hotel (ex-editor at Marvel reference). Garrett Morris (who played Ant-Man in an old SNL sketch). The "Tales to Astonish" line. Stan Lee, of course.

 

[danielcw]

One thing I did not like about the movie:
the credits were pretty boring, worst or close to worst of the MCU movies

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Are there any Easter egg from the movie? Didn't noticed one ;/

Peyton Reed: “I don’t know if you caught any of the imagery as Scott is going down into the quantum realm, you might be able, on repeat viewing and definitely when you get the Blu-ray, there’s something the audience can see down there that Scott doesn’t see, that, may play a larger role."

Unfortunately I have no idea what he is referring to.

 

[Memento Mori]

Peyton Reed: “I don’t know if you caught any of the imagery as Scott is going down into the quantum realm, you might be able, on repeat viewing and definitely when you get the Blu-ray, there’s something the audience can see down there that Scott doesn’t see, that, may play a larger role."

Unfortunately I have no idea what he is referring to.

Janet's shadow.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Janet's shadow.

I figured as much, but I couldn't find anyone mentioning it online.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

I figured as much, but I couldn't find anyone mentioning it online.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

All i see is clouds

 

[Pai Pai Master]

All i see is clouds

Galactus confirmed

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Probably should have put this first

 

[totoro'd]

Saw it on Saturday, it wasn't bad but not very memorable. I liked the humor approach and Paul was probably the best part. The final fight reminded me of when i played Toy Commander on DC back in the day

 

[Elginer]

Just came back from it. Really enjoyable flick. Loved the fight scenes.

 

[Dalek]

The 5 Ant-Man Spoilers You Absolutely Need to Know

1) Spider-Man Was a Coincidence

At the end of the film as Falcon (more on him in a bit) talks with a journalist. The journalist mentions there are superheroes that swing and crawl up walls, a seemingly obvious nod to Spider-Man now that the character is joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And while this line of dialogue is now our first MCU mention of Spider-Man, that was not the original intention.

“When that was shot, that was before the whole [Spider-Man] thing had happened,” explained Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. “It really was just her listing relatively generic powers leading into Falcon saying, ‘I’m looking for someone who shrinks.’ Now that the Spider-Man deal has been announced, it takes on a different connotation.”

Director Peyton Reed agreed.

“The important thing in this movie is that—at the end of the movie, as a result of his run-in with The Falcon—the Avengers [are looking for Ant-Man],” he said. “We don’t know why yet—we don’t know what’s going to happen, but, it had to come through Falcon, so we created this journalist character. And so, it kinda came out as this thing, and… now we know, Spider-Man is going to be a part of the larger MCU, which is incredibly exciting.”

3) Easter Egg in the Quantum Realm

Speaking of freeze frames, Reed teased that Janet Van Dyne may have a secret scene in Ant-Man. In the film, we see her as the Wasp just before she disappears into the Quantum Realm then again in a photo. But Scott Lang too goes into the Quantum Realm .

“I don’t know if you caught any of the imagery as Scott is going down into the quantum realm, you might be able, on repeat viewing and definitely when you get the Blu-ray, there’s something the audience can see down there that Scott doesn’t see, that, may play a larger role,” Reed said. Does he mean Janet? Maybe, or maybe it’s something else.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Probably should have put this first

Ah ok. Without that, it was like looking at a magic eye picture.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Ah ok. Without that, it was like looking at a magic eye picture.

Sorry, shouldn't have presumed everyone could have seen it.