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[Hulk_Smash]

New Zealand also has the advantage of being a small, geographically isolated nation with less than 20 people per square kilometer.

China's numbers don't add up. There were reports of crematoriums running round the clock and declines in cell phone subscriptions during the first wave but China buried it. They never had national lockdowns at all. There's really no way their numbers are remotely real.

I'm guessing north of 2 million. They have to be the worst in the world. They had it first, didn't know how to treat it and it ran wild for months completely under the radar. The lockdowns were so harsh because (I believe) they were THAT bad.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The thing about testing means nothing unless people can figure out a death rate and how it compares to other diseases.

The more positive tests confirmed may simply mean a country does more testing.

In terms of rate per 1000 people, a high rate means there's more people with covid per allotment, but remember that just because you test positive for something doesn't mean it's super serious or death.

Right now, if every one of us did a test for any of the 100s of flu bugs out there, don't be surprised if many of us have some flu bugs in our blood despite feeling perfectly fine.

In fact, I find it hard to believe all of our bodies are 100% free of viruses at any given time and the only time any virus gets in our body is for that 3 day stretch we blow our nose and then the other 362 days of the year we're 100% clean and there's zero pathogens among our trillion cells.

 

[Azelover]

The term "risk group" is a magnet for insanity. People tend to think they're immune, even when they're not really. It's all about thinking they are better than everyone else..

Last time they used that term was with HIV... which is still making the rounds after four decades. It began as a "gay virus".

 

[SF Kosmo]

I'm guessing north of 2 million. They have to be the worst in the world. They had it first, didn't know how to treat it and it ran wild for months completely under the radar. The lockdowns were so harsh because (I believe) they were THAT bad.

Or it could be a quarter of that. I mean who the hell knows really. But we can pretty reasonably assume it's not what they reported.

 

[DeepBreath87]

The term "risk group" is a magnet for insanity. People tend to think they're immune, even when they're not really. It's all about thinking they are better than everyone else..

Last time they used that term was with HIV... which is still making the rounds after four decades. It began as a "gay virus".

But there are risks groups for HIV. Homosexuality, specifically male, is a risk factor. So is intravenous drug use. So are blood transfusion patients, at least in the past. It's not like risk groups are made up. Certain people are at more risk of contracting or getting a bad case of a variety of diseases. I'm not sure what about that is "insanity". It's science.

 

[Enjay]

No I haven't.

 

[nush]

But there are risks groups for HIV. Homosexuality, specifically male, is a risk factor. So is intravenous drug use. So are blood transfusion patients, at least in the past. It's not like risk groups are made up. Certain people are at more risk of contracting or getting a bad case of a variety of diseases. I'm not sure what about that is "insanity". It's science.

And transmission from female to male via vaginal intercourse is less than 1%. Obviously not a stat that was widely publicised, but you can google it and see the study.

 

[ChanerRedone]

It's not that simple.

On average for ppl over 70 the deathrate skyrockets to 5.4%. Far worse than the flu.

But for kids 19 and under? - less deadly than the flu

Kids should be in school. What we are doing to them is terrible.

Dr. Jay Bhattachary of Stanford Medical Institute breaks it down well if you wanna hear a doctor who actually factors in the negative consequences of strict covid restrictions. He's a big proponent of the vaccine but against mandating them for everyone especially kids. He also happens to be an economist.

Focused protection is the way. Lock downs should never ever be used for covid again.

Go on a youtube video covering what is happening in India and you'll see people and their bullshit conspiracy theories that the media is trying to scare us. Again, you clearly haven't seen the crazies or you're being disingenuous.

 

[ChanerRedone]

The thing about testing means nothing unless people can figure out a death rate and how it compares to other diseases.

The more positive tests confirmed may simply mean a country does more testing.

In terms of rate per 1000 people, a high rate means there's more people with covid per allotment, but remember that just because you test positive for something doesn't mean it's super serious or death.

Right now, if every one of us did a test for any of the 100s of flu bugs out there, don't be surprised if many of us have some flu bugs in our blood despite feeling perfectly fine.

In fact, I find it hard to believe all of our bodies are 100% free of viruses at any given time and the only time any virus gets in our body is for that 3 day stretch we blow our nose and then the other 362 days of the year we're 100% clean and there's zero pathogens among our trillion cells.

Regarding your comment about our bodies not being 100% free of viruses at any given time, it is well known that the majority of people have viruses. About 2/3 population has herpes alone and will for life.

 

[Loki]

I'm guessing north of 2 million. They have to be the worst in the world. They had it first, didn't know how to treat it and it ran wild for months completely under the radar. The lockdowns were so harsh because (I believe) they were THAT bad.

Does anyone lend any credence to the possibility that China actually wasn't hit that hard by COVID due to the ACE2 receptor not being expressed as much in persons of Asian descent? Japan and South Korea's death tolls are also very low, and while I'm sure they did some/many things better than Western nations, I do wonder how much of their success is attributable to genetics. Particularly when said receptor expression not only influences death tolls, but also whether people will even get a symptomatic case to begin with (and thus be likely to get tested, which also drives case numbers down).

 

[Rentahamster]

Does anyone lend any credence to the possibility that China actually wasn't hit that hard by COVID due to the ACE2 receptor not being expressed as much in persons of Asian descent? Japan and South Korea's death tolls are also very low, and while I'm sure they did some/many things better than Western nations, I do wonder how much of their success is attributable to genetics. Particularly when said receptor expression not only influences death tolls, but also whether people will even get a symptomatic case to begin with (and thus be likely to get tested, which also drives case numbers down).

In my observation, speculation about the genetic and racial component of the ACE2 receptor is mostly useless and a distraction. In the early days of COVID last year, many people were speculating about that being the reason why it's only prevalent in Asia at the time.

While it still might be a factor, it seems like other factors are more important.

 

[Loki]

In my observation, speculation about the genetic and racial component of the ACE2 receptor is mostly useless and a distraction. In the early days of COVID last year, many people were speculating about that being the reason why it's only prevalent in Asia at the time.

While it still might be a factor, it seems like other factors are more important.

Actually, doing some looking around now, it seems that the assertion is wrong to begin with - Asians express ACE2 to the same or greater extent than other races. Not sure where I heard the opposite last year. So in that case, China's numbers remain suspect simply because they were ground zero coupled with their authoritarian government, while the low numbers from other Asian nations are likely attributable to factors such as the underlying health of the populations as well as the countermeasures/strategies employed during the pandemic.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I have seen blm protest happening in Chicago duringn the summer and it didn;t cause surge as expected. I guiess this new strain is the main cause?

They were wearing masks in addition to being outside.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

Does anyone lend any credence to the possibility that China actually wasn't hit that hard by COVID due to the ACE2 receptor not being expressed as much in persons of Asian descent? Japan and South Korea's death tolls are also very low, and while I'm sure they did some/many things better than Western nations, I do wonder how much of their success is attributable to genetics. Particularly when said receptor expression not only influences death tolls, but also whether people will even get a symptomatic case to begin with (and thus be likely to get tested, which also drives case numbers down).

Well, asian country have the tendency of wearing mask. That probably help. They ain't out of the wood yet. My family watch hong kong news daily and the situration ain't good. They also distrust the vaccine and they are getting mutant virus too and they do force testing at apartment complex and we can see people fleeing

 

[FunkMiller]

Like the deniers there are also people who profess that covid is in the same league as the black plague and Ebola, that we're all going to die and the only solution is to continue to lock down and decimate the economy further since it worked so good the last few times.
There is zero nuance anymore, you're 100% in either direction now and if you aren't on my side then you're the enemy and a bad person.

Where are you hearing people saying this? Seriously, where? Covid is a serious disease that can kill a lot of people, but it's nothing like the plague. You'd have to be a fucking moron to think it is, so I'd like to see some evidence of these morons, so I can take the piss out of them.

 

[RJMacready73]

Where are you hearing people saying this? Seriously, where? Covid is a serious disease that can kill a lot of people, but it's nothing like the plague. You'd have to be a fucking moron to think it is, so I'd like to see some evidence of these morons, so I can take the piss out of them.

I too would like to join you in mocking these cunts

 

[FunkMiller]

I too would like to join you in mocking these cunts

Sadly, I'm pretty sure they don't actually exist...

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I can't say I'm following it closely, but we get news everyday. I was always worried about India the most. Modi is an idiot, and the living conditions in some extremely crowded parts of Indian cities is insane. It was a ticking time bomb, and seems like it's gone off. We'll never know the full extent of COVID's impact on that country, because the situation has gone to pear-shaped that they're just burning bodies faster than the deaths can be tallied. An absolutely tragic situation. I have a co-worker near Delhi who I haven't heard from in the past week, and I've been meaning to reach out to him. This thread reminded me to do just that.

 

[DeepBreath87]

They were wearing masks in addition to being outside.

They weren't wearing masks. I remember watching the live streams and thinking "where are the masks?". But they were outside. Which should've told everyone being outside is safe. It's why it got so much worse when the weather got cold. Everyone went inside.

Anyone who thinks you can turn India around now is foolish. It's going to burn through the dry tinder in a hurry now. You figure they're only probably getting between 10-25% of the positives with the tests. There are likely millions of new cases everyday.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure they don't actually exist...

They do exist. They just aren't always on social media. I know a family that hasn't left the house since this all got started except to go to the grocery store and to go to work. They where masks everywhere- indoors, outdoors, by themselves- doesn't matter. I've never seen them take it off.

They won't let extended family members in the house. So no aunts and uncles, no cousins- no one is allowed in. They don't go to their houses either. For over a year they've been like this.

I know another family that was super strict like the above mentioned family and they still got COVID. When they did they all quarantined in their own rooms and she journaled about it on Facebook every day for two weeks like they were on their deathbed.

She was begging for prayers and giving updates just like someone who was actually dying. It was fucking pathetic.

The beauty of it is that the husband's 82 year old mother also got COVID. She got over it quickly and started calling them out on being drama queens.

 

[DeepBreath87]

They do exist. They just aren't always on social media. I know a family that hasn't left the house since this all got started except to go to the grocery store and to go to work. They where masks everywhere- indoors, outdoors, by themselves- doesn't matter. I've never seen them take it off.

They won't let extended family members in the house. So no aunts and uncles, no cousins- no one is allowed in. They don't go to their houses either. For over a year they've been like this.

I know another family that was super strict like the above mentioned family and they still got COVID. When they did they all quarantined in their own rooms and she journaled about it on Facebook every day for two weeks like they were on their deathbed.

She was begging for prayers and giving updates just like someone who was actually dying. It was fucking pathetic.

The beauty of it is that the husband's 82 year old mother also got COVID. She got over it quickly and started calling them out on being drama queens.

Oh they exist. They're on tv.

Joy Reid Says She's Still Wearing Two Masks to Go Jogging

MSNBC's Joy Reid said that she wore two masks to go jogging on Tuesday, the same day the CDC released updated guidance advising vaccinated Americans that they do not need to wear masks when exercising outside. "I am among the fully vaccinated, joined team Pfizer, and I did go jogging today in...

www.mediaite.com

 

[FunkMiller]

Video of Modi praying in a church packed with people without masks and social distancing is all you need to tell you why India is being hit so hard with Covid.

Why make any effort at all when you can just pray that shit away?

 

[sinnergy]

Video of Modi praying in a church packed with people without masks and social distancing is all you need to tell you why India is being hit so hard with Covid.

Why make any effort at all when you can just pray that shit away?

Yup, nothing to worry about

 

[sinnergy]

They do exist. They just aren't always on social media. I know a family that hasn't left the house since this all got started except to go to the grocery store and to go to work. They where masks everywhere- indoors, outdoors, by themselves- doesn't matter. I've never seen them take it off.

They won't let extended family members in the house. So no aunts and uncles, no cousins- no one is allowed in. They don't go to their houses either. For over a year they've been like this.

I know another family that was super strict like the above mentioned family and they still got COVID. When they did they all quarantined in their own rooms and she journaled about it on Facebook every day for two weeks like they were on their deathbed.

She was begging for prayers and giving updates just like someone who was actually dying. It was fucking pathetic.

The beauty of it is that the husband's 82 year old mother also got COVID. She got over it quickly and started calling them out on being drama queens.

We are cautious, use mask , was hands ..

Never got it ! What does this mean?