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[Kev Kev]

India has a huge obesity problem, rivaling numbers of the US and other developed countries. They also have one of the biggest underweight populations in the world. There are tons of sources out there to check, just Google and you’ll see.

That seems to be the biggest factor of this whole pandemic. Generally unhealthy people are the ones dying from covid, while most healthy just experience mild flu-like symptoms (I got covid a few weeks ago and had a fever for two days, felt a little dizzy, and that was about it).

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah I work with a lot of teams based in India and we've been giving them a ton of grace on the situation. My current employer is paying them full time even if they have to take time off.

 

[SF Kosmo]

P perkelson already explained it to you.

India is not like the USA or EU.
There isn't the same possibility to work from home.
A lot of jobs require manual work and people NEED to work to survive.

How long do you think it will take to vaccinate 1.4 billion people?

USA, Canada, Europe, Australia etc the good thing was that they can afford to shut down.

Can India afford to just shut everything down and wait for a billion vaccine doses?

This will be a massive humanitarian crisis beyond what we've seen elsewhere no matter what way you try to look at it.

Some stranger on the Internet disagrees with you on the solution. It's not a bit deal. I doubt anyone will be asking us for advice on how to fix it.

No need for the shitty attitude.

I feel like you haven't researched India's Covid response. They are quite capable of doing distancing and lockdowns, it's one of the reasons their response to first wave was so effective.

Even if the strategy is to reach herd immunity naturally, the idea that you should do it "as fast as possible" is crazy because you overwhelm the ability to treat people who would otherwise survive and the death rate skyrockets. You need to slow it to keep hospitalizations within capacity.

But also, prioritize vaccination in dense population centers. So much if this current spike is centered in Mumbai. Get the cities done first, and it gets a lot easier from there.

 

[IntentionalPun]

considering more people probably died due to lose of job, starvation and other problems associated with lockdowns

Except they didn't.. and suggesting so is absolutely asinine.

I like how you threw a bunch of bullet points up like you have a scientific approach to analyzing this then just threw this "probably" factoid out.

And herd immunity is a disasterous thing to achieve with such a deadly disease.. and would take years on it's own.. and would have likely caused other massive problems like food shortages.. hospitals being over-run, etc... AKA tons of non-COVID related deaths that would not have occurred if we avoided attempting heard immunity.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Covaxin effective according to Fauci

Different vaccine that Covishield though, but it's good they have that at least.

 

[perkelson]

Except they didn't.. and suggesting so is absolutely asinine.

So you are saying that 2 years of hospitals barely doing any work on cancer and pretty much any other disease + everything i mentioned did not cause more deaths than covid ?

Did cancer stop march 2020 ? Did any other disease stop and said "look it is covid, we will go away for a while"

Perfect example of that is my father. Since 2019 march it is basically impossible for him to go to hospital for lead screen and we don't know if he has cancer or just lead disease.

If government did nothing and old people would just separate themselves for a while we would be long after it. Naturally we live in democracy where panic and fear is what name of game is and government must do something even if that something is wrong and detrimental to cause.

Here is how reality looks like. Despite all lockdowns, masks and so on we had 80k excess deaths when covid deaths are below 30k which means there are more peopel who died out of lockdowns than due to covid and btw those "covid deaths" are usually people with major diseases and should be counted as covid deaths to begin with. Actual covid deaths are minority.

 

[IntentionalPun]

So you are saying that 2 years of hospitals barely doing any work on cancer and pretty much any other disease + everything i mentioned did not cause more deaths than covid ?

Well.. for one.. it's only been about a year...

And #2... umm.. why exactly do you think these hospitals were so overrun? You think w/o restrictions on people's activities.. they'd be... less overrun?

 

[Melon Husk]

Something happened in mid March. UK/SA variant took over and hit them harder due to lack of vaccinations?

 

[perkelson]

You're gonna have to explain to me why spreading it so fast that the ash from mass cremations is a legit air pollution problem is the "right way" but safe vaccines that produce stronger immunity with no public health risks are not the right way.

Bonus challenge: Do it without huffing paint.

I don't need to huff paint to point out that COVID deaths =/= covid cremated people. COVID death is when you die and you don't have primary disease. If you have primary disease and covid was contributor to death it is not COVID death but primare disease death, still government has to treat body as covid death even if they do not include it in statistics because people can get infected.

Here example from my life. My mother died out of cancer. But she did not die because cancer ate her but because she got pneumonia and her main disease made her that was she couldn't recover from something that is normally not a problem. On her death certificate it is cancer that is cause of death not pneumonia.

I think the EU and US didn’t want a bunch of people to needlessly die. All of that was an effort to save the healthcare system from buckling and buying time until a vaccine or effective treatment was available.

No they didn't do that because didn't want people to needlessly die. They did that because we live in democracy and democracy requires that government does something even if that something is wrong and is wrong. People don't vote for people who do nothing and actively blame people if they do not do anything.

It is fundamental principle why democracy is one of the worst systems of governance because public doesn't understand that doing something can be more harmful that not doing anything.

Moreover all those vaccines will be useless next year. Covid is type of common flu. Meaning that next year there will be another strain that current vaccines will not work against. Hopefully it will be milder but it might not. Literally if world didn't do anything and we got through it last year without fighting yes there would be more deaths but on longer timeframe we would go back to normality faster which would save lives.

Well.. for one.. it's only been about a year...

And #2... umm.. why exactly do you think these hospitals were so overrun? You think w/o restrictions on people's activities.. they'd be... less overrun?

They were not overrun. They were literally shutdown to fight with covid. All medical personel was basically barred from work on other diseases until covid goes away.

It is as stupid as closing down hospital because yearly flu season. Common flu is AS dangerous to risk patients as covid is and yet we never had lockdowns for those no ?

I agree that initially news coming from china were far worse than we ultimately got and imo at the time lockdowns were logical as we had to deal with disease that had about 6% mortality rate. But now we know it has like 0.05% mortality rate which is higher than common flue but not enough to cause logical panic.

 

[SF Kosmo]

I don't need to huff paint to point out that COVID deaths =/= covid cremated people. COVID death is when you die and you don't have primary disease. If you have primary disease and covid was contributor to death it is not COVID death but primare disease death, still government has to treat body as covid death even if they do not include it in statistics because people can get infected.

Here example from my life. My mother died out of cancer. But she did not die because cancer ate her but because she got pneumonia and her main disease made her that was she couldn't recover from something that is normally not a problem. On her death certificate it is cancer that is cause of death not pneumonia.

Are you arguing that the massive spike in deaths in urban areas coinciding with this outbreak is unrelated and they are dying of other diseases? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but that actually sounds like your point, but that cannot possibly be your point.

 

[perkelson]

Are you arguing that the massive spike in deaths in urban areas coinciding with this outbreak is unrelated and they are dying of other diseases? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but that actually sounds like your point, but that cannot possibly be your point.

If your hospital got shutdown by government to fight with COVID and you are dying out of cancer or anything other than COVID what will happen to you ? They have spike because they did what most of countries did they stopped being logical and treat COVID as special case. People instead of going to hospital to get care they need they stay in home because of COVID fear.

Again we are talking about disease that only attacks people who have prime disease or are very old. Even among those we are talking about few % death rate.

There are far more people who need normal care than COVID ever will kill.
There are far more people who need work and food than COVID will ever kill.
There are far more people who will die out of anything other than COVID will ever kill.

I already stated polish stats for 2019 and 2020. around 80k excess deaths compared to 2019 in 2020. Total 485k and only half of 80k excess were covid patients let alone died out of covid.

If your argument is that we should focus on COVID because of mortality involved does that mean:

- Those 400k are even more important and we should lockdown country if they reduce those to say 200k. I mean 430k is a lot no ?
- If we see any spike should we close down everything ? Because there are literally years in which FLU kills more people than COVID did in 2020.

That is what i call logic. There is no place for empathy in governance only data and best course of action for whole.
Logic suggest that only older people should be separated maybe with some government help while people below 55-60 should go through disease. Once that you have fixed issue.

Instead we have this circus because democracy is idiotic system in which 2 idiots without education can decide what professor child will be thought in school.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

This was bound to happen.
When you have an awful social system, nasty living conditions, incompetent leadership, and over 1B people living relatively close to each other, you tend to get more devastating disasters.

Lockdown and masks probably won't have as much of an effect. India needs to change it's ways of living.

I agree with this up to changing its way of living. I don't really think that's possible.

It's the largest population country that doesn't have the landmass of China, nor resources.

I am very concerned that India can become a breeding ground for the Coronavirus to breed and fester and mutate to a degree that the rest of the world won't be able to handle.

 

[SF Kosmo]

If your hospital got shutdown by government to fight with COVID and you are dying out of cancer or anything other than COVID what will happen to you ? They have spike because they did what most of countries did they stopped being logical and treat COVID as special case. People instead of going to hospital to get care they need they stay in home because of COVID fear.

If Covid is filling hospital beds and there's no room for anyone else then yes you get more deaths from unrelated causes on top of all the Covid deaths.

But what's the alternative to that? Let every Covid patient who needs oxygen die?

Again we are talking about disease that only attacks people who have prime disease or are very old. Even among those we are talking about few % death rate.

That isn't the case though. Covid has a high survival rate, but that rate assumes the availability of care. Once hospitals get overwhelmed, case death can shoot up to 6 or 7%. This idea that if you ignore Covid patients who require critical care that they'll just walk it off is ridiculous.

That's literally the whole point of why we had shut down, not to stop the disease but to "flatten the curve" so out hospitals could care for people...

There are far more people who need normal care than COVID ever will kill.

Again, only if Covid patients have access to healthcare.

Like Donald Trump, for example, would, for a fact, be dead right now if he didn't have access to medical care. A lot of Covid cases are like that, and most of those people do survive but you are assuming the mortality rate is fixed and not dependent on intervention.

 

[Orutisu Furio]

You know the situation is bad when bodies are being burned in parking lots and on roads.

 

[poppabk]

I don't need to huff paint to point out ...
.... But now we know it has like 0.05% mortality rate which is higher than common flue but not enough to cause logical panic.

It is not 0.05%. As soon as I see that figure, I know that the person is just quoting talking points they read somewhere else, and have put zero thought into questioning them.
0.05% of the entire US population is 150K.

Anyway, on point it is sad to see India fall so hard after doing surprisingly well for so long. It does demonstrate that we need to be vigilant for the near future. Not lockdowns, but also not completely abandoning sensible precautions.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I'm actually curious why that is. Maybe it took the right conditions/strain?

Yeah it's odd it took so long... but most parts of India are asses and elbows and little to no hygiene (perfect breeding ground).

Honestly I'd say out of all nuclear powers, India is by far the most susceptible to plague/disease.

 

[Liljagare]

India is looking like a apocalypse themed horror movie.. Hope they are able to turn it around soon. Nice to see that countries are trying to help them out though.

 

[perkelson]

It is not 0.05%. As soon as I see that figure, I know that the person is just quoting talking points they read somewhere else, and have put zero thought into questioning them.
0.05% of the entire US population is 150K.

It is 0.05%. US 300k deaths are not all deaths caused DIRECTLY by covid. There are shitload of evidence suggesting hospitals booked anyone who tested positive for COVID regardless of cause of death as covid death because their were paid for it.

As i said before attributing cause of death to COVID is one of major reason for panic because we changed suddenly standards for COVID. If Flu had the same standards as COVID then flu wouldn't be 0.0003% but much much much higher.

 

[ChanerRedone]

It is 0.05%. US 300k deaths are not all deaths caused DIRECTLY by covid. There are shitload of evidence suggesting hospitals booked anyone who tested positive for COVID regardless of cause of death as covid death because their were paid for it.

As i said before attributing cause of death to COVID is one of major reason for panic because we changed suddenly standards for COVID. If Flu had the same standards as COVID then flu wouldn't be 0.0003% but much much much higher.

Sigh. So you're suggesting people are dropping dead all over India over something else and the numbers are exaggerated

 

[perkelson]

Sigh. So you're suggesting people are dropping dead all over India over something else and the numbers are exaggerated

Ofcourse they are dropping dead. Imagine being cancer patient and your hospital was converted to treat covid patients instead ? Does cancer patient death matters at all to you or you just ignore it because it is not covid death ?

I fully expect that next 2-3 years will be completely bonkers when it comes to deaths caused by covid panic with shitload of people dying of common diseases because no one has anymore functioning brain.

India case is horrid because they are poor nation and even without covid their healthcare system is garbage. Add to that covid panic and lack of logic and voila you have system breakdown.

Only logical solution for covid is young population catching disease and old people separated in that time. After half a year you don't have covid at all because it doesn't spread anymore.

 

[SF Kosmo]

It is 0.05%. US 300k deaths are not all deaths caused DIRECTLY by covid. There are shitload of evidence suggesting hospitals booked anyone who tested positive for COVID regardless of cause of death as covid death because their were paid for it.

As i said before attributing cause of death to COVID is one of major reason for panic because we changed suddenly standards for COVID. If Flu had the same standards as COVID then flu wouldn't be 0.0003% but much much much higher.

Sorry, but excess death statistics to not bear this out. Covid surges correlate almost exactly with spikes in the death rate. If these were all terminally ill people who were going to die anyway, we wouldn't see all these hundreds of thousands of excess deaths.

Covid is killing a fuck load of people. Just because a lot of them are old or fat doesn't mean you can handwave those away as natural causes, or write them off to comorbidities, it's just not true.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

A lot of people addicted to fear porn. It is going to be hard to break people of this over the next year.

Kind of like the porn where the guy wears a clown mask while banging the chick. I just try to scroll past it.

 

[sinnergy]

It’s the classic example of what happens when you let it go … and think you have it beaten .. if unchecked for a time it will blow up in your face , like what’s happening here , ( other examples, Italy, UK, USA, NY, Wuhan, Brazil ) with more dangerous mutations as a result, more than a year we had time to learn , provide less wealthy countries first with vaccines for example . (Because yeah, mutations )

Instead it became an competition who made the first vaccine and who vaccinated the fastest .. it’s back to Cold War practice..

Yeah I am pretty disappointed in human kind .

 

[xellos2099alpha]

Yeah completely agreed.
As soon as first wave seemed in control, people came out in droves. There is only so much the government can do, especially in a resource starved country like ours. They cant keep locking down the country (how do we measure how many people died due to ruined businesses and economy?). And given that healthcare is a state subject in India and some states handled it better some worse, you get a situation where the people are blaming the government and the state governments are blaming the center and vice versa.
I would say its 70% on people and 30% on governments (with states taking majority of blame). I can go out right now and see at least 10 people without masks within 2mns. Guaranteed.

Would also like to add that the situation is not so dire in all places. Mostly its 4-5 states. All these pictures you see, they are from those 4-5 states only. Given the sheer numbers India has, even .001% seems too high. Hopefully the peak will pass soon in May or so, as predicted.

Like i said in many thread... there is only so much government can do about lockdown if people refuse to follow it

 

[balls of snow]

I have some friends in India. Pretty much everyone has lost someone close to Covid already. Parents, cousins, friends. They say that the official death toll is bs, they are severely undercounting deaths.

They were also blaming Biden for not helping out with the vaccines. Clearly falling for the media narrative trying to shift blame from Modi. As if Biden is responsible for Indians.

The new mutation is apparently really bad. It cannot be detected by covid tests and while you do get symptoms, it kills people faster than the OG virus. At least according to anecdotal evidence ive heard from my friends. We better lockdown travel from India and any country that still hasnt banned travel from india. This thing is likely resistant to the vaccines.

When the population is that big, the strain will trickle down to other countries no matter what. Just a matter of time unfortunately.

 

[aisback]

I hope this whole thing is over soon.

 

[ChanerRedone]

Ofcourse they are dropping dead. Imagine being cancer patient and your hospital was converted to treat covid patients instead ? Does cancer patient death matters at all to you or you just ignore it because it is not covid death ?

I fully expect that next 2-3 years will be completely bonkers when it comes to deaths caused by covid panic with shitload of people dying of common diseases because no one has anymore functioning brain.

India case is horrid because they are poor nation and even without covid their healthcare system is garbage. Add to that covid panic and lack of logic and voila you have system breakdown.

Only logical solution for covid is young population catching disease and old people separated in that time. After half a year you don't have covid at all because it doesn't spread anymore.

So you're telling me that the covid death numbers are not under reported? Are you seriously arguing with no evidence that people are dropping dead from cancer? You're telling me that the people that we can clearly see on many media videos that are trying to get into hospitals and are hooked up to make shift oxygen canisters are cancer patients in need of chemotherapy? Are you fucking for real?

Yes, being fully occupied will hurt all patients. But it's covid that's killing scores of people. And also indirectly causing more deaths by making healthcare virtually unavailable to everyone.

 

[isual]

If this is a new variation, itll only be time before it goes worldwide.

Watch the 2011 movie contagion for example..

 

[SF Kosmo]

If this is a new variation, itll only be time before it goes worldwide.

Watch the 2011 movie contagion for example..

It already is. And strains with similar mutations as well.

Which has resulted in big spikes all over the world. Places that are far enough ahead on the vaccine managed to flatten these to an extent. The US had rising numbers through March, but only gently and then turned them around, but cities that were way behind on vaccinations like Detroit got hit hard.

Meanwhile New York sat in a weird equilibrium for a while with flat numbers until the vaccination rate was high enough and now they're tumbling.

But everywhere without vaccines is getting fucked up or about to.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

If this is a new variation, itll only be time before it goes worldwide.

Watch the 2011 movie contagion for example..

If it is MCU universe they might have carpet bomb the country ala of what world counsult want to do to new york in avenger

 

[thefool]

India? I thought this thread was going to be about hungary, peru, poland, or even the whole european union.

Oh wait, the numbers are actually FAKE about India and it's the one country with false data.

 

[SF Kosmo]

India? I thought this thread was going to be about hungary, peru, poland, or even the whole european union.

Oh wait, the numbers are actually FAKE about India and it's the one country with false data.

It's not the "one country" with unreliable data. China and Turkmenistan have literally been reporting zero Covid cases for like the last 10 months, just straight lying.

India's underreporting, but it's not necessarily a deliberate deception. If you look at their positivity rate for tests it's crazy high like almost 20% which is usually a sign that they're not testing very much, and once the hospitals get overwhelmed people who die outside if the hospital rarely get tested or diagnosed.

 

[perkelson]

India? I thought this thread was going to be about hungary, peru, poland, or even the whole european union.

Oh wait, the numbers are actually FAKE about India and it's the one country with false data.

If lockdowns and masks would work then Poland would be at the bottom of those charts not at the top. You don't need to have belief in accuracy of numbers coming from India.

Moreover anyone with a bit of oil in head understood that herd immunity was logical and better way to resolve issue and now after trial of those who went with that route and those who did not we can safely say that those who went with herd immunity fare better and they didn't have to murder their economy as well kill people by not providing them other care.

 

[perkelson]

Covid is killing a fuck load of people. Just because a lot of them are old or fat doesn't mean you can handwave those away as natural causes, or write them off to comorbidities, it's just not true.

Ok then going by that logic when bad flu season will start you support shutting down economy yes ? Because that is how people usually die. Having major disease and then dying to something secondary like seasonal flu or pneumonia.

This logic also suggest that if people are dying then their life should take priority over everything else no ? Then what about those people who are outside of excess of 300k deaths ? Should you close economy until you figure out how to remove those deaths ?

What if covid will not go away and those excess 300k deaths will become standard ? How much time does it need to take to continue life and treat it as normal part of life ?

 

[ChanerRedone]

Ok then going by that logic when bad flu season will start you support shutting down economy yes ? Because that is how people usually die. Having major disease and then dying to something secondary like seasonal flu or pneumonia.

This logic also suggest that if people are dying then their life should take priority over everything else no ? Then what about those people who are outside of excess of 300k deaths ? Should you close economy until you figure out how to remove those deaths ?

What if covid will not go away and those excess 300k deaths will become standard ? How much time does it need to take to continue life and treat it as normal part of life ?

Flu doesn't kill anywhere near as many people as covid. Flu does not cause hospitals to be overrun and healthcare systems to collapse. Unless you are talking about certain flu pandemics such as the Spanish flu.

 

[joedan]

How does one perkelson individual plan to 'separate the old people'?

 

[Batiman]

It already is. And strains with similar mutations as well.

Which has resulted in big spikes all over the world. Places that are far enough ahead on the vaccine managed to flatten these to an extent. The US had rising numbers through March, but only gently and then turned them around, but cities that were way behind on vaccinations like Detroit got hit hard.

Meanwhile New York sat in a weird equilibrium for a while with flat numbers until the vaccination rate was high enough and now they're tumbling.

But everywhere without vaccines is getting fucked up or about to.

I’m wondering why Africa has managed to avoid this shit? Any explanation why? I figure because there’s not as much travel as a country like India?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I’m wondering why Africa has managed to avoid this shit? Any explanation why? I figure because there’s not as much travel as a country like India?

There was a while where South Africa appeared to be heading towards catastrophe. Their peak cases were actually higher than India’s current case counts (per capita). The rest of Africa probably has very little public health capacity to track numbers.

 

[dave_d]

Flu doesn't kill anywhere near as many people as covid. Flu does not cause hospitals to be overrun and healthcare systems to collapse. Unless you are talking about certain flu pandemics such as the Spanish flu.

The problem with Covid is it's apparently quite a bit more infectious than the flu is. So while in a given year not everybody gets the flu if nothing was done literally almost everybody was going to catch covid. Admittedly if you're under 40 the flu tends to be more deadly but the problem was that people catching Covid would spread it to vulnerable populations like older populations(60+) and we'd be looking at deaths in the millions or tens of millions. Then again one of my pet-peeves is people thinking the flu is nothing since they think the flu and a cold are the same thing. (They're not, the flu is much more serious.) Also not counting serious side effects even in less vulnerable populations.(Plus the fact one of the risk factors for a bad outcome? Obesity which is quite common in the US.)

 

[black_13]

Didn't Modi say covid was over and opened everything up couple weeks ago? First he screwed the farmers and now basically everybody?

I'm surprised Indians aren't demanding his resignation. He seems corrupt as hell. That's just what it seems to me but I barely follow their politics closely. Either way it sucks!

 

[M1chl]

Lived through Covid recently, so my heart goes to India. Fucking liver transplant where I almost died was nothing in comparison to Covid shit. I legit feared that I am going to suffocate. And that feeling of helplessness was really fucking bad.

Stay safe India.

 

[Silent Viper]

Different vaccine that Covishield though, but it's good they have that at least.

Covaxin, injects dead corona virus into body to trigger immune system to make anti bodies.


Pfizer uses very expensive and new method but maintenance super high for mass distribution. Other vaccines maintenance low and they use old tried and tested way to make vaccines

 

[kittoo]

Didn't Modi say covid was over and opened everything up couple weeks ago? First he screwed the farmers and now basically everybody?

I'm surprised Indians aren't demanding his resignation. He seems corrupt as hell. That's just what it seems to me but I barely follow their politics closely. Either way it sucks!

In India Healthcare is a state subject, so people would rather ask their Chief ministers (equivalent of a governor in US) to resign than Modi. And rightfully so. Apart from vaccine supply, providing financial help to states and transport to an extent, there is not much Modi can do. States where this is bad have dropped the ball seriously and are so incompetent you have no idea. People also realize that planning is different and execution is done by government employees, mostly state ones and well..they also suck and were never trained to deal with anything like this.

Lastly Modi can be a lot of things but he isnt corrupt. Not a single sticky corruption charge against him. The alternatives are downright malicious and/or retards. People know this. He remains immensely popular, has always remained in all crises. +/-2% maybe, but even if electiond were held today, he will win with thumping majority.

Edit: forgot the biggest reason of this mess- the people themselves. No Indian, including me, will deny that we have no civic sense. Everywhere there are still hordes of people with no masks/half masks. We know its mostly our fault.

 

[Porcile]

Coronavirus has just been a dumb mix of governments being stupid and people being stupid, mixed with a lot of bad luck. Mostly it has been preventable however people just couldn't live with their lifestyles and traditions having to change, and obviously some things are probably impossible to change. Unfortunately, I think India is a just another prime example of this on a devastating scale. Japan could well be next in line.

 

[llien]

Official numbers say ~3,000 deaths per day but I'm pretty sure it's MUCH higher.

What is the source of the alternative figures?

 

[FunkMiller]

Can't believe there are still people legitimately trying to make out that all the deaths from covid we're seeing in India - aren't really deaths from covid.

Do you literally need to be standing over these people, watching them breathe their last, with a doctor standing next to you screaming "they've got covid!" in your ear to make you believe it's what's killing them? Or are you so intent on not being proved wrong that you'll double down, no matter how stupid it makes you look? Is being right that important to you?

 

[SF Kosmo]

What is the source of the alternative figures?

Literally in the graphic.

Didn't Modi say covid was over and opened everything up couple weeks ago? First he screwed the farmers and now basically everybody?

I'm surprised Indians aren't demanding his resignation. He seems corrupt as hell. That's just what it seems to me but I barely follow their politics closely. Either way it sucks!

He's super popular. It turns out nationalism is a good strategy to get people behind you regardless of what a stupid fuck up you are.

 

[llien]

Literally in the graphic.

In other words, some dude called Buraj Manji somehow knows how many have been cremated in India.

 

[Evil Calvin]

How about don't have mass religious gatherings without masks or have 3 million people bathe in the Ganges river for the Kumbh festival during a pandemic. Idiots!

 

[BadBurger]

Listening to the latest Up First podcast, NPR. A segment on India:

- Despite being the top producer of vaccines and one of the top producers of COVID vaccines, India cannot produce even a bare minimum for themselves

- People are finally being able to find hospital beds, but some are still dying as they await resupplies of oxygen arriving now at airports

- So many are dying that they are converting crematoriums meant for dogs into facilities for humans

- Infections are now underreported because many cities have run out of tests

This is so sad. It’s like the events of a movie.