SF Kosmo
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No, Murad Bananji is a statistician, not a researcher. There are like six sources listed there.
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Anyone looking closely at the situation of COVID-19 in India? It's absolutely devastating
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Svengoolie007
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What we should be sending them is Vitamin D, Zinc, and FOOD. They are dying of starvation because of the worldwide lockdowns. That's what the UN themselves said would happen last year. In furtherance of the lack of food is the lack of vitamins, so their immune systems aren't working. Aid in the form of sending them the AstraZenica vaccine, which was never approved here and has been banned in dozens of other countries, is absurd.
llien
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Muraj Banani is listed as one of the sources.
SF Kosmo
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Statisticians compile data by researchers and put it into graphs.
This is clearly data compiled from multiple sources and then put into a chart, I am not sure what exactly your hang up is.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Listening to the latest Up First podcast, NPR. A segment on India:
- Despite being the top producer of vaccines and one of the top producers of COVID vaccines, India cannot produce even a bare minimum for themselves
- People are finally being able to find hospital beds, but some are still dying as they await resupplies of oxygen arriving now at airports
- So many are dying that they are converting crematoriums meant for dogs into facilities for humans
This is so sad. It’s like the events of a movie.
- Despite being the top producer of vaccines and one of the top producers of COVID vaccines, India cannot produce even a bare minimum for themselves
- People are finally being able to find hospital beds, but some are still dying as they await resupplies of oxygen arriving now at airports
- So many are dying that they are converting crematoriums meant for dogs into facilities for humans
This is so sad. It’s like the events of a movie.
llien
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I want to know what the sources, used by the source called Muraj Banani , I assume it's a human, not a planet, are.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Funny you should mention flu season. The public health measures, such as the lockdowns / self quarantines you oppose, led to influenza being almost eradicated this year. You know what will also nearly eradicate COVID-19 not just in India but around the world? These same continued measures along with vaccinations. Just as they did to the scourges of past pandemics.
Science and history. Acknowledge them. Don't try to invent your own reality.
And no. The common, annual influenza isn't nearly as contagious or deadly. Even it weren't almost wiped away this year typical rates of vaccinations would be fine. COVID is different. It feels weird still having to explain that here in April of 2021 but here we are.
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Insane Metal
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400,000. Holy fuck
SF Kosmo
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They're listed, dude. Why is this confusing?
WelshBluebird
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I mean is that person just thick?
If you take those numbers as right, something has just added 9% onto the daily number of deaths in a single country. And they don't think that number is worth reporting on?
If ANYTHING adds almost 10% to the number of deaths a country usually has then that is pretty big news is it not?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
One of the cremation sites said that they typically cremate 10-20 bodies a day. They are now doing 100-120 bodies every day. They literally had to implement a ticketing system so people can wait their turns cremating their dead relatives.
The real numbers are horrifying. They say its 400k per day, but their positivity rate in Delhi and Mumbai is 1 in 3 and 1 in 4. Which is crazy those are two very congested and densely populated cities of around 20 million people. I wouldnt be surprised if the real number is somewhere around 1 million per day.
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ChanerRedone
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Do you have the source for the cremation site comments?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
People in India are being cremated in parking lots, with so much demand that families have to take tickets and wait
India is buckling under a devastating COVID-19 surge. Some 370,000 positive tests were reported Thursday alone, and thousands are dying every day.
ChanerRedone
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People in India are being cremated in parking lots, with so much demand that families have to take tickets and wait
India is buckling under a devastating COVID-19 surge. Some 370,000 positive tests were reported Thursday alone, and thousands are dying every day.www.yahoo.com
That's insane. Hopefully people will open their eyes and realize this pandemic isn't a joke.
pel1300
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This.
Look at the SE Asian countries that got hit hardest:
Philippines
Indonesia
Two studies were done in these countries last year that showed 99 percent of covid deaths were ppl deficient in vitamin D.
In Mexico the colder cities are being hit hard. The sunny beach areas are doing just fine. Fully open, no lock downs since last summrr because the president resisted pressure from WHO to do national lockdown again. He calls it dictatorship.
DeepBreath87
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I don’t think many people think it’s a joke. People may disagree about many things regarding covid, but outside of a few crackpots, I don't think a ton of people think it’s a joke. But it’s basically over now for the United States. Between vaccinations and resolved infections, this will be over completely in the next few months.
SF Kosmo
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The vitamin D thing is massively overstated. First, it's not 99%. The big study people always cite said 60% of Covid deaths were Vitamin D deficient. But that paper has since been retracted when controlled trials failed to show a statistically significant correlation.
Being deficient in Vitamin D can weaken your immune system in general, and especially for those with darker skin, taking Vitamin D supplements can lower your risk in a statistically significant way. But this same advice doesn't seem to apply to white people. Also, being Vitamin D deficient can often correlate to poor nutrition and other risk factors in general.
So this idea that giving people Vitamin D is going to work like a vaccine and keep you from getting Covid is really not something that is substantiated by the research. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't take Vitamin D, especially if you have a lot of melanin and might need it, but don't overstate its usefulness.
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pel1300
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Btw I noticed a trend with the ppl who insist on continued lock downs. For example ppl in Ontario blame themselves not ppl in charge of these decisions. They say we didn't lock down "the right way". It's complete insanity and places like Florida, Uruguay, Qatar, Japan, Bali, and others have totally embarrassed locked down world by showing that focused protection is the way to go, not this one size fits all crap.
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DeepBreath87
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Canada has completely lost its collective mind. In the face of all data, they insist on effectively destroying civil rights inside the country as though there is no other alternative.
arkhamguy123
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400,000 Jesus fucking christ. I feel so bad for India. If they got down to their pre march numbers the global cases would actually look relatively small. They're so bad they're single handily driving up the entire earths average.
Raven117
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Yeah well.... I think we know why
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Many cities have run out of test kits, which means that number is actually higher. Crazy.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Huh?
Yeah, clearly it works for India with half baked measures , and all kind of religious parties that went on … one size for COVID does fit all … but people .. still not grasping it after more than 1 year.
Life as we know won’t be back in the form before , better is to accept and change habits a bit .
In the mean time China and Wuhan are laughing all the way to the bank , and even partying!
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ChanerRedone
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You clearly don't read much on the internet, but many people think it's a hoax to take away liberties. Either way, I sure hope it ends soon for the US and hopefully for the entire world soon after.
I mean so you support my point then ? Or do you support idiotic lockdowns until we remove say 50% of yearly deaths ?
Amount of sick people is only function of tests done. In one brazil city in first 3 months official data pointed out to around 3% of 2mln people being tested were positive for covid.
Researchers later produced paper (still in peer review) about data donations and they realized that in 2mln city from 45% to 66% people HAD ANTIBODIES. Meaning that at minimum HALF of the city already had covid and no one noticed. Moreover for COVID herd immunity requires 60-75% population being infected to be removed.
Why 10% why not 5 or 2 % ? Sorry but yearly deaths FLUCTUATE. Bad flu season could be as bad as covid last year for some nations. This is why i am talking about panic. Moreover just because it fluctuates we shouldn't stop our lives.
Moreover if you care so much about numbers and not logic then you should now that in 3-4 years those numbers will even out as people dying earlier means that later they will not be added to stats in next 2-5 years. Most of people who die out of covid are already people who were heavily sick and those people either way didn't have much to live and would be added to stat in few next years.
That is the reality of math here.
There are only 3 ways to fight with pandemic:
- lockdown and release
- herd immunity
- minority protection (separating high risk group rest gets disease)
Lockdown and release is by far the most stupid costly and the most expensive in therms of lives lost of them all.
Lockdowns and releases should be only used for diseases like EBOLA or other dangerous diseases with high R and high mortality rate. Not with bad flu.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
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There are literally actual virologists and scientists working on this that can explain it, and scientific examinations of past pandemics oh you know what why am I even bothering
So your virologists are better than mine ? That is your argument ?
The Hamburglar
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It’s crazy. And we had so many Covid deniers here as well, embarrassing.
CrankyJay™
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Yup. Everyone who says 99% or 99.9% never seem to do the math when multiplied across hundreds of millions or in India's case, over a billion. There is going to be a huge issue with disposing of that many bodies.
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Insane Metal
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Not only here unfortunately. They're everywhere.
Hulk_Smash
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Yeah the OTHER country with a billion people in it. Where are their numbers, I wonder. If this is what it is like in India than I can imagine it was similar for China.
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ManaByte
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China literally welded people into their apartments though.
Hulk_Smash
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That was AFTER it got out of hand.
FunkMiller
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Still do.
Liljagare
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Here is a good piece on the Vitamin D and Corona.
www.uchicagomedicine.org
COVID-19 Information From Our Experts
The extent of the coronavirus outbreak (COVID-19) is rapidly evolving and risk assessment changes daily, but here’s what we know about COVID-19 as of today.
TaylorSwiftFan
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What are people denying exactly?
nush
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Yes that happened everywhere to everybody in China. There's no context to that video other than the one that was written in English.
Yet the rest had more than a year to learn , Wuhan was ground zero ..
SF Kosmo
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Which is a pretty effective way to flatten the curve of the first wave but there's no way that's the end of it. They've just been lying about their numbers.
ChanerRedone
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That COVID is overblown, i.e. that it's essentially the flu. And the media is creating a hoax out of it so the elites can take away our liberties.
The Hamburglar
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Yup. Some just gotten smarter about it to not get banned.
For the past 12 months everything.
It’s a conspiracy, it’s a con it’s all fake news. Some government conspiracy to keep us inside our houses. A conspiracy to inject us with poison.
Part of it is because their dear leader played it down, so they have to back him up no matter what.
Nah, it’s like Australia and NZ, jump on it with strict rules and quarantine and you are set … see how other western countries are scrambling
It’s a complete western shit show … and than there are countries like Brazil
And India … which have a big contrast in rich and poor .. and shit politics with lose rules …
We could have had a much better outcome when we did a full and complete Wuhan lockdown in March 2020 world wide , 3 months , So that we got to a manageable state. Now we are stuck with a endless cycle of lock downs.
Watch and see this will be written about in the future ..
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pel1300
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It's not that simple.
On average for ppl over 70 the deathrate skyrockets to 5.4%. Far worse than the flu.
But for kids 19 and under? - less deadly than the flu
Kids should be in school. What we are doing to them is terrible.
Dr. Jay Bhattachary of Stanford Medical Institute breaks it down well if you wanna hear a doctor who actually factors in the negative consequences of strict covid restrictions. He's a big proponent of the vaccine but against mandating them for everyone especially kids. He also happens to be an economist.
Focused protection is the way. Lock downs should never ever be used for covid again.
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SF Kosmo
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New Zealand also has the advantage of being a small, geographically isolated nation with less than 20 people per square kilometer.Nah, it’s like Australia and NZ, jump on it with strict rules and quarantine and you are set … see how other western countries are scrambling
It’s a complete western shit show … and than there are countries like Brazil
And India … which have a big contrast in rich and poor .. and shit politics with lose rules …
We could have had a much better outcome when we did a full and complete Wuhan lockdown in March 2020 world wide , 3 months , So that we got to a manageable state. Now we are stuck with a endless cycle of lock downs.
Watch and see this will be written about in the future ..
China's numbers don't add up. There were reports of crematoriums running round the clock and declines in cell phone subscriptions during the first wave but China buried it. They never had national lockdowns at all. There's really no way their numbers are remotely real.
AmuroChan
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Take it from a Chinese person. Do not ever trust numbers released by China. They know they can manipulate the numbers in any way they want because no one would dare call them out on it. And no one should want Wuhan-style lockdowns in their city, where you literally cannot leave your home. The government comes around passing out food rations, and if you didn't get it, too bad. Oh, and if someone in your family has a medical emergency? You're at the mercy of the city officials whether you can take them to the hospital.
pr0cs
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Like the deniers there are also people who profess that covid is in the same league as the black plague and Ebola, that we're all going to die and the only solution is to continue to lock down and decimate the economy further since it worked so good the last few times.
There is zero nuance anymore, you're 100% in either direction now and if you aren't on my side then you're the enemy and a bad person.
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