Are Retailers No Longer selling the Series X?
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demigod
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Yes i know it shows your address but the point still stands since he finally learned how to block his address in post 78.
BlackTron
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Your point only stands by ignoring the rest of my post.
Edit: sorry, I thought you were replying to my second post in this thread. Which again, covered that
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Alan Wake
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Me too. I've been an Xbox gamer since the first Xbox launched in Europe, which was in March 2002. It's been a while, and I have tons of great memories. Halo. Jet Set Radio Future. Halo 3. Condemned. The Project Gotham Racing series. Gears of War. Forza Horizon 3. Rise of the Tomb Raider.
It's getting very close to the end, though.
RetroGamingUK
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Out of stock in most Smyths stores in the UK
Conversely…
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Physiognomonics
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+ More copper for the cooling (at launch I think it had about twice more copper than PS5), more expensive vapor cooling (Sony use cheap volume of the cooling stuff to cool its PS5). Very complex double motherboard, non custom expensive SSD, non custom expensive Disc drive etc... We saw this at launch. The standard SSD, disc drive as you call them are likely twice more expensive than the custom ones designed and manufactured by Sony.
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Radical_3d
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No idea…
laynelane
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I don't order very much online, but it's good to know that Walmart is not reliable for 3rd party sales. Thank you.
Steve Holt
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Its absolutely bizarre how their consoles are completely dead like this, might be the biggest bomba console in recent times considering the internet campaign and the acquisitions to make it desirable.
Jaguar Victory
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It's a great system. And it has great games. It's still my main and I love it. Sad how weirdly folks get a hard on for it to fail.
DeltaPolarBear
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How is the acquisition make it desirable? It is literally the games that was always going to be on Xbox. Buying up third parties is the equivalent of spraying acid in your competitor's faces to try and win a beauty pageant. People want unique gaming experiences. Xbox couldn't deliver so they just try to take games away from PlayStation instead. And that killed Xbox hardware instead when Activision reverse-acquired Xbox.
The Xbox Series X as hardware is just fine. But Phil just doesn't know what a good game looks like.
dragonyeuw
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Yeah if you're going to go that route, better to order from an Amazon approved 3rd party I would think.
Austin Evans found the XSX heatsink to weigh 804g, while the PS5 Pro motherboard + heatsink weighs 974g. While the launch PS5's heatsink apparently weighed 1368 grams. From what I can see online, vapor chambers cost around 2X the price of regular copper heatsinks, so that could be an extra $10. Overall, the APU + motherboard + cooling is probably an extra $50 over the PS5 Slim.
So you would need an extra $100 for the other components. The Blue Ray drive could be $15 more ($30 vs. $15), but Sony doesn't make the NAND that goes in the SSD, only the controller. And that's the bulk of the expense. Microsoft is paying some additional markup to Western Digital to provide the controller + NAND together, but I doubt WD are charging Microsoft double the market rate for the NAND. So in practice it could be a another $15 difference.
However if the original XSX is really too expensive for Microsoft to manufacture, they can just drop it, and keep the new model. They could reduce the memory on the 2TB version to 1TB, for example. Since the new revision has a 6nm chip, simplified motherboard, and drops the vapor chamber.
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deriks
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Brazil basically never had the SX in physical stores. It was just here and there. Online was normal at Amazon for a while, but now... Nowadays is rare online and you just can't see at physical stores
My theory is, exclusively here, Microsoft made a deal to sell to retailers at low price the Series S and Series X was regular publisher price, since the S was in basically every electronic store - small or big - in lots. I meant, in really big lots. There was like towers and towers of Series S. They're not selling that much thou. And while PS5 sold more, wasn't that much better for physical stores since we can still see early box PS5 at physical stores today, but online, with better price, discounts and whatever, was the better choice
With the price hike for consoles, Xbox was the most affected, and PS5 was already at a higher price, so didn't change. Xbox lost this just because
Also, you can walk to one or other store now and have a "PlayStation space" with some games and other things. Xbox killed theirs in 2021, basically as soon the actual gen was launched. Even fucking Nintendo has a space in some stores. Physical stuff means publicity, and Xbox doesn't have here
My theory is, exclusively here, Microsoft made a deal to sell to retailers at low price the Series S and Series X was regular publisher price, since the S was in basically every electronic store - small or big - in lots. I meant, in really big lots. There was like towers and towers of Series S. They're not selling that much thou. And while PS5 sold more, wasn't that much better for physical stores since we can still see early box PS5 at physical stores today, but online, with better price, discounts and whatever, was the better choice
With the price hike for consoles, Xbox was the most affected, and PS5 was already at a higher price, so didn't change. Xbox lost this just because
Also, you can walk to one or other store now and have a "PlayStation space" with some games and other things. Xbox killed theirs in 2021, basically as soon the actual gen was launched. Even fucking Nintendo has a space in some stores. Physical stuff means publicity, and Xbox doesn't have here
HeisenbergFX4
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I purchased a router from a 3rd party seller on Walmart.com and the box arrived with no router in it and a bunch of obviously very used and weird cables
I took it to a local Walmart store looking for a refund and ended up having to deal with a manager because I was kind of shocked at their answer they would not help me in the least since it wasn't sold and shipped by Walmart
I then had to pay for return shipping and never got any kind of a refund plus they never would return any of my emails so I was just out the money
BlackTron
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PS fans actually get hurt, because now all those IP that would have been on PS anyway are managed by Phil Spencer. The guy who managed his business so bad, he had to go third party. Let that sink in.
And if they wanted Xbox games, they always had the option to play them somewhere else if they wanted to.
The acquisition was a giant hit to gaming. In my opinion, the only hope to reverse course is for Microsoft's corporate culture to flip and for Phil to get fired. Yeah, we're screwed. They will just burn through the value of IP after IP faster than a liquidation attorney.
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Bernardougf
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No point being a cowboy fan while Jerry is running that circus ... eventually he will be gone and maybe the rest of the family can run that shit like a proper football team. At least thats what I hope for.You think people likeadamsapple
HeisenbergFX4 and @Kvally will let that derail the fantasy? No... It's not how this works.
I just watched Xbox Two and what you realize is that they'll keep this going beyond the most ridiculous stage. They'll criticize Phil which is new, but they'll also defend him and Microsoft at the same time and say all the moves they're making NOW are correct, but they spent the last year glazing the idea of a handheld for example.
They can't imagine a world without Xbox even if that isn't Satya Nadella's priority at all. Whatever Xbox becomes in the future, you'll have these guys circling around it.
Hell, you just had someone post a thread that Sega should re-enter the console market after 20+ years...
It's what happens when your entire personality is based around something specific like this. I can't tell you how many things I've held really close to me that I've called it quits on: Dallas Cowboys, NFL, MLB, Blackberry, Android, Rotary Engines, Internal combustion engines in general... Let things come and go in your life as needed...
These are not major retailers... which again is what the OP is referring to here. antonline does not have enough stock to satisfy even a couple weeks of real console demand nationwide and even Antonline only has the Digital XSX...
Mibu no ookami
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I thought that too when I was a naive young buck, but then I realized that his son is just as bad. Unless they sold the team and they never will, there is no point in supporting that team.
Bernardougf
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Its amasing how this things are allowed in your country... in mine I understand, is a shitshow 3rd world country, and buying anything outside retail is sure thing for fake shit. I personally think should be forbidden huge retailers selling 3rd party shit from anyone.
Bernardougf
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That why I said "maybe".... shit this happens sometimes.. the old guy die, and the rest of the family just want to cruise the billions into the sun or the heirs just want to split things up who knows... I aint holding my breath though.
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Physiognomonics
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Copper vs aluminium. From hazy memory XSX had much more of it. Aluminium costs nothing comparatively. Sony buys chips by the ten of thousands and design and does all the rest, and it's solderied on the MB, which is even cheaper to make. WD can charge whatever they want at those low volume, same thing with disc drive and the whole MB setup. Just look at the price of PS5 Pro right now vs 2TB XSX!
Astray
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I know I personally bought my Series X because I didn't want to lose out on things like Starfield (lmao idea in hindsight) or a Dishonored 3 if I stuck with my PS5.
They were clearly trying to get big IP to exclude other systems and make their system more desirable (and somehow tried to paint themselves as the good guys for doing so).
DeltaPolarBear
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The only hope left is all the old game devs that left end up starting new studios and make spiritual successors of old classics.
Out of all the IPs lost to Phil I was most worried about Elder Scrolls. However, we have been waiting so long for the next title and I am not sure Todd is going the right direction, that i am starting to lose hope that it would be anything close to what I want when it comes out.
The irony is that if the next Xbox ended up being a PC, Todd might have to go back to giving TES games the mouse control UI again.
BlackTron
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We'll be lucky if it happens as a fluke a few times. Example, ex Ubisoft devs made 33. That's almost the most hopeful outcome, brand new ass games. Ex Ubi devs are not going to get together and make spiritual successors to Rayman and Splinter Cell. The talent is fragmented, people have moved on, the IP is lost and the vibes are different. Having the IP to consolidate hearts and minds for the common goal is what it would take, along with focused intention to restore past greatness. And MS owns all of it.
The next Perfect Dark will be just good enough to call a finished game for Gamepass, a few people will buy it on PS but not enough, and MS will throw away all the experience the team accrued making it together by reorganizing/disbanding them instead of refocusing on lessons learned. Repeat as nauseam until all the value in the IPs has been consumed.
The XSX has a copper vapor chamber/heatsink, and the rest is all aluminium. You can see the teardown here:
Xbox Series X Teardown
This is it, folks—the new generation of consoles arrives this week, starting with the Xbox Series X. Buried in a blizzard of buzzwords like...
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WD is currently selling the PCIe Gen4 SN770 1TB to Joe Consumer for $74.99, which should be better in all respects than the SN530 in XSX. If the retailer takes a 10% cut and WD make a 30% margin, then that would suggest a base manufacturing cost of $47. So if the OEM margin is 20%, which seems reasonable for hundreds of thousands of units, then that would be a $59 cost to Microsoft. In this example, removing $15 would give a cost to Sony below WD's manufacturing cost.
And then regarding the Blu Ray drive, I can see drives listed online starting at around $40. The XSX 2 TB probably doesn't cost much more to produce than the old 1 TB model, due to the newer revision with cost savings built in. So to me, the crazy price difference indicates Microsoft are looking to extract as much profit as possible from consumers for a "Special Edition" model.
Mibu, you've been accusing one of the most reasonable posters on this forum (HeisenbergFX4) of being some hardcore Xbox fanboy. That to me and to others illustrates bias and how your dislike of Xbox can go beyond "calling balls and strikes."
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HeisenbergFX4
and @Kvally will let that derail the fantasy? No... It's not how this works.I just watched Xbox Two and what you realize is that they'll keep this going beyond the most ridiculous stage. They'll criticize Phil which is new, but they'll also defend him and Microsoft at the same time and say all the...
As for seeing things through a Sony prism, here we have a post about the demise of Codemasters and the potential end of the F1 franchise and your immediate thought is how this situation could benefit Sony:
I'm not in denial of these facts. Where am I disputing console sales? Earlier this year I posted about supply shortages of the Xbox Series consoles in the UK, which would be a curious thing to do if I was arguing that Xbox consoles are selling really well.
(This article was posted on the 14th January but I haven't seen it referenced here so far.)
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The UK and other regions are running suspiciously low on Xbox Series X console stocks, why is PlayStation still widely more available?
Everything is an Xbox, but what if you can't buy an Xbox?
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When we last discussed this topic I outlined several reasonable contributions that Xbox made to gaming, for example that Xbox was much more developer friendly than the Japanese companies had been. The proof is there- third party games were typically stronger on Xbox than on PlayStation throughout the sixth and seventh generations barring a few exceptions which proved the rule. Later in the seventh generation, after Sony were given serious competition by the 360, they made more efforts to help the developers work with the PS3's complicated architecture. That was a huge benefit to gaming as a whole.
Big franchises? How many game releases were entertainment events on the level of Halo 2 and 3?
Microsoft: 'Halo 3' nets biggest day in entertainment history
The latest iteration of the hit video game franchise has broken single-day entertainment product revenue records.
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Halo was a defining game for console FPS, especially for multiplayer. Flight Sim is the defining game in its genre. Forza Motorsport was the best in its class at one point and Horizon still is. And yes Xbox became too reliant on their big three franchises of Halo, Gears and Forza but they remain among the most notable of the past 25 years.
It should be said also that I do enjoy reading your posts, whether I agree with them or not.
It's more the case that you're a Thunder fan who will afford them more leeway than other teams, while also disliking the Pelicans, and all the while maintaining you are a totally neutral spectator.
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RetroGamingUK
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
And they shut down their F1 studio like Code masters seems to be heading towards.
Best not to revisit that.
Realistically RG, I don't think Mibu had Sony in mind because they made a few F1 games twenty years ago.
HeisenbergFX4
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Honestly it doesn't bother me if people like that call me an Xbox fanboy its straight marching orders from their commander in chief that was banned from here and started his own forums
Little do these kids know my Xbox hardly ever gets turned on anymore and all my console gaming is done on the Pro but unless I am sucking blue dicks and buying every piece of slop Sony shovels I am labeled an Xbox fanboy
You are wasting your time trying to reason with those type of individuals
Let them leave their laughing emojis as kids like that seem to think it bothers actual adults and just carry on
Aenima
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I dont know how is the retail situation here in my country right now, but even back in the PS360 gen, when Xbox was in good form, the retail space they gave to the Xbox was very limited. In big stores the retail space was usually 60% dedicated for PS products, and the other 40% of the space for Nintendo and Xbox.
I would not be surprized if i go to a store now and dont find any Xboxs here anymore.
I would not be surprized if i go to a store now and dont find any Xboxs here anymore.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I checked out the situation in the Netherlands. Amazon.nl and Mediamarkt.nl seem to be the only major online retailers selling Xbox Series X/S consoles. You can get a Series X or X console from BOL.com only from a market place seller but not from BOL.com themselves. Coolblue states that Xboxes consoles are "sold out". Wehkamp and Intertoys don't sell Xbox anymore.
Of course all of these online retailers sell Playstation and Nintendo consoles.
Of course all of these online retailers sell Playstation and Nintendo consoles.
RetroGamingUK
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Funnily enough the developers of the 90s F1 games, Bizarre Creations, were shut down by Microsoft.
Those games were bloody brilliant too…
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laynelane
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That's an even worse story than I was imagining. You must have been furious. That's straight up ripping off people and, considering it's being done on their site, Walmart has no right to say they're not involved.
HeisenbergFX4
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Yeah I wasn't happy to say the least