Mibu no ookami
Banned
Were you born a clown?
Everything they said was factual backed up by a screenshot (and not one that was cropped).
How exactly is that him being a clown?
Were you born a clown?
It's not GAF logic.Well, we're talking Gaf logic here:
Xbox not available - Bad for Microsoft
Xbox available - Bad for Microsoft
Playstation/Switch not available - Good for Sony/Nintendo
Playstation/Switch available - Good for Sony/Nintendo
Move to digital only?![]()
It has been a hot minute since we've had any of the regular X's.
And looking at my employee app, just about every store in the twin cities metro is completely out as well.
I wouldnt be surprised if they were. Their physical game selection here is pretty atrocious and its getting shrunk down further next weekMove to digital only?
That's interesting. There was some suspicion a few months ago that the discless Series X had quietly replaced the regular Series X.![]()
It has been a hot minute since we've had any of the regular X's.
And looking at my employee app, just about every store in the twin cities metro is completely out as well.
Move to digital only?
No disc drive?Digital only consoles?
I wouldnt be surprised if they were. Their physical game selection here is pretty atrocious and its getting shrunk down further next week
(Going from 15 slots to 8)
Comparatively, the ps5 games have 40 slots and the switch has two cabinets (50 each) with a third one coming on tuesday for the s2 games
I still believe theres some truth to that. We do still get the regulars but very few and far between.That's interesting. There was some suspicion a few months ago that the discless Series X had quietly replaced the regular Series X.
Is that old stock that hasn't been bought yet (because it's digital) or are the digital versions still being replenished?![]()
It has been a hot minute since we've had any of the regular X's.
And looking at my employee app, just about every store in the twin cities metro is completely out as well.
For the direction Microsoft is going it would make total sense. Digital only fits their focus on gamepass and locks you into their store where they make more profit as well on top of physical in general dying.That's interesting. There was some suspicion a few months ago that the discless Series X had quietly replaced the regular Series X.
Not all that different from if somebody's Xbox 360 or any other older console breaks really in that you just buy used. Used Series X consoles will still exist just as used PS1s exist.Last year I checked out of curiosity and none were in stock with disc drives anywhere. Xbox going all digital it seems. Still seems stupid though. What are physical game collectors supposed to do if their Xbox breaks?
Theyre getting restocked pretty frequently, we just got four of the digitals last week and weve sold two in the last few daysIs that old stock that hasn't been bought yet (because it's digital) or are the digital versions still being replenished?
That's in less than 10 years from now. People will not suddenly stop buying PlayStation hardware in 10 years.How many more Playstations do you think we will see with actual hardware? (not streaming boxes). Do you think there will be a traditional PS7?
Even comparing with the PS5 Slim APU on 6nm, the XSX APU should cost maybe $30 more. The motherboard might be slightly more expensive due to the wider bus, but everything else should use standard components that are a similar or worse spec to the PS5. So I don't see how you get to $150-200 more expensive without major supply chain differences.Yep. This console is likely costing them 150-200$ more to produce than a PS5 at this point. They just have bad engineers. In the end it's always about manufacturing price.
Stating that something is failing is not the same as rooting for it to fail lol.It's really really weird now, isn't it lads?
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I wouldnt be surprised if more UK/EU store pre-emptively drop xbox due to the fears regarding the tariffsWent into Smyths Toy Store today (UK chain of toy shops) to pick up my nephew's birthday present. They stock their consoles on shelves behind the tills, but today they had absolutely no Xbox consoles at all. Series S or X.
Instead they had Quests and racing wheels where the Xbox consoles normally go.
I've been going to this store for a few years to pick up gifts for my nephews and this is the first time I've seen them without any Xbox stock.
Stating that something is failing is not the same as rooting for it to fail lol.
Do we know if Microsoft still sells every console at a loss? If so they gotta be doing something wrong.Even comparing with the PS5 Slim APU on 6nm, the XSX APU should cost maybe $30 more. The motherboard might be slightly more expensive due to the wider bus, but everything else should use standard components that are a similar or worse spec to the PS5. So I don't see how you get to $150-200 more expensive without major supply chain differences.
You can even see online the stocks levels of each Smyth's store, it's very little.Went into Smyths Toy Store today (UK chain of toy shops) to pick up my nephew's birthday present. They stock their consoles on shelves behind the tills, but today they had absolutely no Xbox consoles at all. Series S or X.
Instead they had Quests and racing wheels where the Xbox consoles normally go.
I've been going to this store for a few years to pick up gifts for my nephews and this is the first time I've seen them without any Xbox stock.
Why would the store make less money when selling a console versus a TV for example? Maybe I am missing a piece here?
Mibu obsessively negatively posting about a company he openly doesn't like ("Xbox brought nothing positive to gaming except possibly Xbox Live") is not merely "stating that something is failing." The undertones are obvious. He tends to view things through a Sony prism and ultimately is hoping for Xbox users to convert to PS5. I think we're a bit beyond the realm of plausible deniability where Mibu is concerned but it's nice of you to try.Stating that something is failing is not the same as rooting for it to fail lol.
I agree, I'm just pushing back on the idea that there stores wouldn't have it in stock if they could because of space. My local Best Buy has a legion go station, an MSI claw station, a Nex console station and a meta quest 3 station. They are struggling to fill the space they have rather than struggling with overflowing stock.I can't speak on TV store margins but for one thing, TV purchases are intended to be one off purchases. Video game consoles exist to sell at high volume expressly for the purpose of selling games and accessories, that's where the money is. Best Buy doesn't just want you to buy an Xbox, they want you to pick up a few games, an extra controller, a gamepass card etc etc. Its a tricky proposition with Xbox this gen because not only does the system sell at low volume, but its userbase is decidedly digital and more specifically, Gamepass-centric. So if the Xbox neither sells well enough on its own and/or doesn't also drive physical software, then the incentive to keep the system stocked regularly in decent numbers simply isn't there. The perception to the consumer of 'the retailer isn't selling the Xbox in-store' and 'the retailer is selling the Xbox in-store BUT only a few units at a time, so most of the time the consumer won't just walk into a store and find one' ends up amounting to the same thing.
Do we know if Microsoft still sells every console at a loss? If so they gotta be doing something wrong.
In late 2022 both Sony and Nintendo made profit on each console (Sony only made money on the physical PS5 though) and I'd imagine that's only gotten better since then. This was when Spencer said they lose $150-200 per console.![]()
Unlike PlayStation and Nintendo, Xbox still loses money when it sells a new console
Microsoft loses up to $200 on each new-gen Xboxwww.gamesradar.com
That being the case, then it's as much a calculated choice on how much stock Microsoft is producing and sending to retailers as it is a retailer strategy to dedicate shelf space ( and the retailers have different practices for this based on location). I'm sure the odds of walking into a Bestbuy in the middle of Manhattan and finding an XBox is higher than a Best Buy near a suburban area in Utah or something like that. They have stats on where the highest foot traffic is, which locations sell the most systems and that's where they will send most stock. It will have the effect of 'the Xbox is being sold in-store' for some and 'the Xbox isn't being sold in-store' for others. And now they've actually increased the price of the system, which only means less volume and less visibility at retail going forward. Someone used the right term earlier, Microsoft is producing and selling these things at scale based on its demand the past 4 years. The economics of scale haven't allowed them to drop the price( not to forget chip costs haven't dropped), quite the opposite. They'd rather sell 10 consoles at $599 and make money then lose money or break even selling them at $499.My local Best Buy has a legion go station, an MSI claw station, a Nex console station and a meta quest 3 station. They are struggling to fill the space they have rather than struggling with overflowing stock.
That being the case, then it's as much a calculated choice on how much stock Microsoft is producing and sending to retailers as it is a retailer strategy to dedicate shelf space ( and the retailers have different practices for this based on location). I'm sure the odds of walking into a Bestbuy in the middle of Manhattan and finding an XBox is higher than a Best Buy near a suburban area in Utah or something like that. They have stats on where the highest foot traffic is, which locations sell the most systems and that's where they will send most stock. It will have the effect of 'the Xbox is being sold in-store' for some and 'the Xbox isn't being sold in-store' for others. And now they've actually increased the price of the system, which only means less volume and less visibility at retail going forward. Someone used the right term earlier, Microsoft is producing and selling these things at scale based on its demand the past 4 years. The economics of scale haven't allowed them to drop the price( not to forget chip costs haven't dropped), quite the opposite. They'd rather sell 10 consoles at $599 and make money then lose money or break even selling them at $499.
Yes, I just checked the Bestbuy at 44th and 5th for shits and giggles. There's currently no X's in stock at that location.Easy enough to ascertain whether there is in store stock at best buy in Manhattan and there isn't (for xsx)
Plausible deniability lmao.Mibu obsessively negatively posting about a company he openly doesn't like ("Xbox brought nothing positive to gaming except possibly Xbox Live") is not merely "stating that something is failing." The undertones are obvious. He tends to view things through a Sony prism and ultimately is hoping for Xbox users to convert to PS5. I think we're a bit beyond the realm of plausible deniability where Mibu is concerned but it's nice of you to try.![]()
I would never. Honestly, I'd miss him.Plausible deniability lmao.
He's some guy on the internet you can put him on ignore if it's that bad.
My current best theory is they shut down the ongoing production line (basically no more dedicated production lines that are devoted to making Xboxes 24/7) and are instead doing specific production runs whenever total stock in a big market reaches a certain point. They're doing this because it makes no sense to keep producing and pumping stock into a market that's flat-out rejecting it (and it isn't even because of the PS ports, this issue predates them).That being the case, then it's as much a calculated choice on how much stock Microsoft is producing and sending to retailers as it is a retailer strategy to dedicate shelf space ( and the retailers have different practices for this based on location). I'm sure the odds of walking into a Bestbuy in the middle of Manhattan and finding an XBox is higher than a Best Buy near a suburban area in Utah or something like that. They have stats on where the highest foot traffic is, which locations sell the most systems and that's where they will send most stock. It will have the effect of 'the Xbox is being sold in-store' for some and 'the Xbox isn't being sold in-store' for others. And now they've actually increased the price of the system, which only means less volume and less visibility at retail going forward. Someone used the right term earlier, Microsoft is producing and selling these things at scale based on its demand the past 4 years. The economics of scale haven't allowed them to drop the price( not to forget chip costs haven't dropped), quite the opposite. They'd rather sell 10 consoles at $599 and make money then lose money or break even selling them at $499.
One thing you gotta keep in mind is all these brands pay for these dedicated spaces.I agree, I'm just pushing back on the idea that there stores wouldn't have it in stock if they could because of space. My local Best Buy has a legion go station, an MSI claw station, a Nex console station and a meta quest 3 station. They are struggling to fill the space they have rather than struggling with overflowing stock.
They are raising the prices because they stopped production of new units and are just trying to maximize what profit they can get from remaining unitsI wouldnt be surprised if more UK/EU store pre-emptively drop xbox due to the fears regarding the tariffs
It also doesnt help that xbox shot themselves in the foot with the price hikes, its like theyre trying to make themselves less appealing to give the switch 2 a better chance
Exactly! If you walk into a Best Buy and see a Legion Go or ROG Ally section it's because those companies spent money to have them there.One thing you gotta keep in mind is all these brands pay for these dedicated spaces.
Bestbuy or Walmart or Target isn't giving away primo spots in their stores for free. They take quite a bit of money for it.
Some solid stuff here, and I generally agree and touched on a few of your points( although not quite so eloquently). I also have the impression that a store may get a small number of units, they sell out, and whenever they get more stock is, well.....whenever they get more. So like you said, it will lead to drought periods. The point you made about Microsoft also assigning a higher ( probably the highest) percentage to their own stores makes sense, not much point in having a significant percentage of their units at retailers that take a cut+ plus having to pay for shelf space, not when the demand is low. Microsoft has clearly resigned themselves to the fate of the Xbox Series, riding out this gen until whatever comes next for them. The irony is the low demand of current Xbox hardware is mostly through their own choices over the years, so it's all a self-fulfilling prophecy.My current best theory is they shut down the ongoing production line (basically no more dedicated production lines that are devoted to making Xboxes 24/7) and are instead doing specific production runs whenever total stock in a big market reaches a certain point. They're doing this because it makes no sense to keep producing and pumping stock into a market that's flat-out rejecting it (and it isn't even because of the PS ports, this issue predates them).
This explains why stores worldwide tend to get into stock droughts and then get restocked for a bit, then over time we get to another drought etc etc.
The downside of this approach is that the per item cost is gonna be way higher this way (which actually might partly explain the price hikes) so the fact they're even doing this (if they are, remember this is a theory and not confirmed) means they've probably had some terrible meetings with retailer reps this gen.
They're also assigning a higher percentage of stock to their own stores so they can sell at a higher margin over there. The reason I'm saying this is because I've never really seen their own online store go out of stock in any country it's operating in, even when all the big retailers in said country are out of stock.
This decision to limit distribution has a downside too.. It limits distribution. A consumer that doesn't know you have a store or can't buy from it for whatever reason is basically locked out and has to "settle" for a PS5 or a Switch 2.
It's honestly one big deathspiral that requires heavy investment to get out of, and I think MS board is done giving Xbox anything and wants to start taking from it now
Mibu obsessively negatively posting about a company he openly doesn't like ("Xbox brought nothing positive to gaming except possibly Xbox Live") is not merely "stating that something is failing." The undertones are obvious. He tends to view things through a Sony prism and ultimately is hoping for Xbox users to convert to PS5. I think we're a bit beyond the realm of plausible deniability where Mibu is concerned but it's nice of you to try.![]()
I recall reading that they dropped the ball big time not only with more expensive motherboard and chip design but also with the packaging. Essentially that vertical assembly is more expensive and they couldn't cut cost in same manner as Sony.Do we know if Microsoft still sells every console at a loss? If so they gotta be doing something wrong.
In late 2022 both Sony and Nintendo made profit on each console (Sony only made money on the physical PS5 though) and I'd imagine that's only gotten better since then. This was when Spencer said they lose $150-200 per console.![]()
Unlike PlayStation and Nintendo, Xbox still loses money when it sells a new console
Microsoft loses up to $200 on each new-gen Xboxwww.gamesradar.com
Ball washing a particular brand for years, will have that kind of effect on you. They can't tell the difference.The fact he can't tell the difference is actually pretty depressing to me.
Truth.I don't know why it is so hard for Xbox fans to be objective. They take any criticism of Microsoft so to heart while ignoring the basis for the criticism. They should be the ones complaining the MOST, but as a community they've enabled Microsoft for years and the results aren't good.
It's the same principle as "going out of business" sales, if you never actually walked into some retail store which is going out of business, many times stuff left over in there is actually marked up from how it was before
I see the Series X on Marketplace for $300 regularly, and the Series S for $150. They're definitely available if you're interested. Also, it appears they're available directly from Microsoft no problem.
It's shocking how much you have to spell things out for some people here...and they still don't get it or simply refuse to connect the dots.I think you're missing the point and maybe others who don't understand why Walmart resellers wouldn't count are missing the same point.
It's about taking information and analyzing it to predict a future state.
If the only inventory is available via resellers/used marketplaces and Microsoft themselves, it suggests these are no longer being delivered to Retailers in any sizeable numbers.
This means 1 maybe 2 things.
Retailers are not interested in buying the XSX and/or Microsoft has slowed or halted production on hardware.
So if you can logically deduce either or both of these situations, go further what does that mean? What does it mean for Xbox hardware over the next year or so? What does it mean for future Xbox hardware?
Let's say Microsoft announced an Xbox 5 and it was direct to consumer only. You could only purchase it online and at Microsoft retail outlets. What would this mean for hardware adoption rates? And what would those hardware adoption rates mean for software development?
It's dominos, it's chess... can you see the moves down the road or are you only able to read the moves happening in real time?
It's shocking how much you have to spell things out for some people here...and they still don't get it or simply refuse to connect the dots.
There's always a few people in these threads I see who actually will recognize how dire the current situation is...but then go on and claim everything will be fine for next gen and that there is no way MS leave the console business. Like, what? There is no "next gen" with these numbers and with MS throwing all of their games on competing platforms.