Seductivpancakes
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oh. i thought yall just being racist /s
I'm the racist apparently.
trying to make myself feel better with jokes
oh. i thought yall just being racist /s
My parents have always tipped 10% at asian places. And almost all asian places have been ok with 10%, and many just put mandatory 10%. Toronto, for reference.
I'm always embarrassed when they stick to this 10% at western places, so now I've insisted on paying and do the minimum 15%.
Funny cause this was something I learned back in HK/China when I was back a few months ago:
HK used to tip, but it's dropping. 5%-10% is acceptable, but frankly people just leave change.
China doesn't tip. In fact, leaving money on the table is seen as a bad thing, as if leaving money to beggars on the street.
Of course, both of those rules are ignored if you go to a westernized place in China, like western hotel chains.
And this is why society is in shambles -_- jkI bite my noodles and I tip 10%-15% because whatever. o/
Awww /patpatpatpatpat
I saw that thread. I don't know what to tell you, expect that you should find a new job.
But yeah... stand up for yourself! I know we're usually told to just apologize and stuff, but in America (and other Asian countries, I assume), it's all about posturing and shit.
I'm really bad at it myself, TBH. I usually just say sorry and move on. But it's time for u to cast off our meekness and be assertive!
edit: Holy shit at the "are you a native English speaker" line.
Do people ask that anymore? There wasn't a single thing that signalled you might not be a native English speaker.
He is my direct manager, and we don't get along well.That's probably all you can do.. but to be totally honest with you, if your manager is Chinese, and s/he is the only one that can let you go, you're probably not going to be let go. I notice that minorities tend to stick together in the workplace... not just small mom & pop shops, but also large multinational corporations.
I'd still leave, but you should tell your direct manager what happened, why, and get a letter of rec from him/her.
I just thought the comment was so dumb-- obviously because you're Chinese, maybe you're not a native speaker. $1000 dollars says the poster would never have asked it if you didn't mention you were Chinese.
Sure there was. He said he was Chinese.Do people ask that anymore? There wasn't a single thing that signalled you might not be a native English speaker.
I'm the racist apparently.
trying to make myself feel better with jokes
Sure there was. He said he was Chinese.
In elementary school, I was thrown into an ESL class on my first day of first grade. Nevermind that I was born in the US.
Of course I took AP English. I took AP everything by senior year. Hell, I took my SAT IIs in Writing and Lit (I'm still a failure, though, because I didn't score 800 on either one).What do you mean no AP English?
Dishonor on you!
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Was reading this tipping thread and was wondering how much you guys tipped, and whether that differed by type of restaurant. I live in Canada and I usually tip about 15% at non-Asian restaurants after tax. For Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.) I always tip 10% after tax, no more. What about you guys?
Edit: Also, I do not tip at coffee places, ever. What the fuck.
No tipping in Australia o/15% across the board..I hate tipping culture in the US...just make food more expensive or put some type of service charge on the bill. I hate the ambiguity that has ensued from this practice.
Oh, sorry, I should have made it clear. I am well aware of the Hmong ethnic group and the troubles y'all face-- I was born in Minnesota, and my parents lived there for some time before moving to CA.
It's tough being refugees after being persecuted... I was making more of a joke about being Asian than anything else.
Very interesting stuff. Despite dating and maintaining a long distance relationship with a girl from Japan, I didn't realize that Japanese culture had such strong patriarchal sexism. At least to such an extent that seems abnormal compared to other Asian cultures. It definitely reminds me of the familial issues the many of my Indian friends have, as it seems like the fathers have issues with control.
Then again, you said they are 3rd generation and probably have a distorted view of their own culture. When it comes to non-Indian Asian families Ive observed with issues (Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Filipino), I've mostly noticed the insanity coming from the mom.
Crazy family story? OK here's mine, and it involves me. Oh and sorry, I'm going to make it long.
A long time ago in a country far far away from America, my 1st cousin(who is much older than me)decided to get married. For Hmong weddings, the husbands are expected to pay a dowry to their wife's family. The amount is normally determined by having a group from both sides come together and come to an agreement on the price. The the time varies but it can take quite a while. This was the late 70s I think so the fee was different back then. My side paid $500 and supposedly(according to their side) we agreed that if more people from both our families wed, it will stay $500.
Fast forward to 1993. My other first cousin's(the older brother of the previous cousin I mentioned) daughter and a boy from that family hook up. They're all in Cali right now but my 1st cousin is moving his family to NC. His daughter and her boyfriend don't want to lose each other so they decide to get married. They expect to only pay $500 but my cousin is like "fuck that, $5,000 bitches". We're all poor, but his family is even poorer and can't afford it. The boyfriend refuses to leave my cousins house and spends a whole week there. Knowing that his son won't leave his girl, his father goes to all his relatives and begs for money to pay the dowry. He finally gets the cash and pays the dowry. Normally we're supposed to have a traditional wedding after this, but their is no wedding. They just pay my cousin and that's that. So now their is bad blood between our families. Which doesn't really matter because my whole extended family all moved to NC(where I live now). So it's not like we're ever going to deal with them again...oops.
Fast forward to December 2008. My cousin(the son of the previous cousin I mentioned and is my age) is talking to some girl in Cali and is going to visit her around Xmas time and he's going to stay at his sisters place(the same couple from the previous paragraph). I wasn't planning on going but decide to at the last second. So we go and I meet the younger sister of my cousins husband. We hit it off and get along really well the whole week I'm there. I decide to try and talk to her and we end up having a long distance relationship for 5 years. It was hard and we came really close to breaking up once. But it worked out and we decide to get married.
Now the whole time my parents knew exactly who I was talking to when I first told them. They never discouraged me from talking to her, but they were concerned about dealing with that family again. So we're over there and it turns out the discussions about the dowry isn't going well. I'm not in the room so I don't know what's going on but I'm hearing a bunch of stuff like how the past is constantly being brought up and they're making it difficult or we're making it difficult. I'm even told by my father that if they can't come to an agreement, I'll have to ask my wife to just walk out with me. This is the situation she was most afraid of because it's like her turning her back on her family. Plus she had family telling her she better not leave with me if things don't work out. She was in tears from this and I had to console her. But after hours upon hours of discussions, they finally come to an agreement and we get married and I got the fuck out of there.
Sorry again for making it so long and sorry if you got lost trying to keep track of my family. I figure since you guys are also Asian, you could follow it a little better lol. But anyways I'm not traditional at all and I honestly hate a lot of our rules and customs, including weddings. Instead of being about celebrating my wife and I coming together in matrimony, Hmong weddings are basically a dick measuring contest. It's basically both sides going off on each other about who wronged each other more and why we should pay more or less because of that. And then their were a bunch of other stuff I had to do like chop a pig, deal with dozens of lectures, bow to 100 or so of my wife's relatives, and so on. Basically that was the worse weekend of my life lol.
No tipping in Australia o/
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/glomp I MISS YOU ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU ARE AWAY.
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Also... goddamnit. Now I'm hungry.
YesNO. <3
Sorry, haven't had a chance to reply, and I know the conversation has drifted away from this but wanted to respond...
It's hard to say what is "normal" - for the record my father is also Japanese-American, a bit older than my in-laws but also third generation. Our family has its quirks but it's not really the same as how my in-laws behave. I'm kinda inclined to chalk it up to "that's the way her father really wants it to be," whether that is common or not in Japan is something I wouldn't feel qualified to answer...but the samurai dad is a stereotype IMHO.
Holy shit. I can barely imagine. That must have been nervewracking! I'm glad they came to an agreement and it didn't come to the worst case scenario.
The week when my father-in-law decided to throw down his ultimatum was a nail biter for me - mainly because ultimately it was up to my wife to decide to deal with it. All I could do is tell her what I think and then let her decide...it's her family after all. Realistically though, if she decided to postpone the wedding, I would have called it off because fuck living under the thumb of someone who hates you. (I'd have to do anything he said because after that he could just threaten us with another ultimatum and then here we are again.) On the other hand, if I threw down an ultimatum of my own ("if you postpone the wedding I'm outta here"), doesn't that make me just as much of a manipulative asshole? So I had to bite my tongue and hope things worked out...
No tipping in Australia o/
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No, I understood you. It's my fault, I get too carried away sometimes with these explanations because I always assume nobody has ever heard of my people unless they've seen Gran Torino or they live in the St. Paul-Minneapolis metro(which I guess you have lol). Sorry about that.
As for tipping, I guess I'm a 20% kind of guy most of the time. But if it gets a little too expensive I tend to stick with $5 tip even if I spend 30+.
I honestly don't understand why it's such a problem for so many people. If you know it's expected, just accommodate for it. It's just like sales tax.15% across the board..I hate tipping culture in the US...just make food more expensive or put some type of service charge on the bill. I hate the ambiguity that has ensued from this practice.
I honestly don't understand why it's such a problem for so many people. If you know it's expected, just accommodate for it. It's just like sales tax.
On the bright side, you can always become a waiter and make phat tips.
I kid, I kid. Sorry man :/
I'm being worn out by this bull shit at work.
I'm probably going to have to resign before the week is over.
Baaaaaatsssyyyy aaaaawwwyaaaaaasssss
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People love power. I don't get it. I've seen healthy relationships of grown kids with their parents who are supportive and keep in fairly constant communication. Of course you'll have the ones that try to control everything and makes everyone miserable.
I guess I'm too independent and not caring about my own cultural "norms" since I don't have an inherent desire to succumb to others' wishes. It doesn't mean I don't respect my cultural background.
I hope your situation improves for the better - stress kills.
Sorry, haven't had a chance to reply, and I know the conversation has drifted away from this but wanted to respond...
It's hard to say what is "normal" - for the record my father is also Japanese-American, a bit older than my in-laws but also third generation. Our family has its quirks but it's not really the same as how my in-laws behave. I'm kinda inclined to chalk it up to "that's the way her father really wants it to be," whether that is common or not in Japan is something I wouldn't feel qualified to answer...but the samurai dad is a stereotype IMHO.
Holy shit. I can barely imagine. That must have been nervewracking! I'm glad they came to an agreement and it didn't come to the worst case scenario.
The week when my father-in-law decided to throw down his ultimatum was a nail biter for me - mainly because ultimately it was up to my wife to decide to deal with it. All I could do is tell her what I think and then let her decide...it's her family after all. Realistically though, if she decided to postpone the wedding, I would have called it off because fuck living under the thumb of someone who hates you. (I'd have to do anything he said because after that he could just threaten us with another ultimatum and then here we are again.) On the other hand, if I threw down an ultimatum of my own ("if you postpone the wedding I'm outta here"), doesn't that make me just as much of a manipulative asshole? So I had to bite my tongue and hope things worked out...
People love power. I don't get it. I've seen healthy relationships of grown kids with their parents who are supportive and keep in fairly constant communication. Of course you'll have the ones that try to control everything and makes everyone miserable.
I guess I'm too independent and not caring about my own cultural "norms" since I don't have an inherent desire to succumb to others' wishes. It doesn't mean I don't respect my cultural background.
I hope your situation improves for the better - stress kills.
Hey, no, I think you should definitely let people be aware of the struggles that the Hmong had to face. I mean, from what my parents told me, y'all basically went through an attempted genocide after y'all supported the US gov in Laos, which is part of the reason the US gov took so many refugees. & yeah, I actually was born in St. Paul .
It's important for others to understand about what happened, and I honestly do think it's really important for people to learn about or at least understand what it means to be a Hmong refugee in the US. Many Asians aren't even aware of what happened, and you know... not to sound like some sort of "us versus them" mentality nut, but if even us Asians don't care about what happens to our fellow yellows, who will?
https://sites.google.com/a/umn.edu/...t/the-secret-war-and-hmong-genocide-fall-2012
I'm being worn out by this bull shit at work.
I'm probably going to have to resign before the week is over.
So, I ended up getting a haircut.. I'm not very proud of it. Oh well, it's what I get for not choosing my friend this time. ╮(╯▽╰╭
Waaaah! ヾ(*´∀`*)ノ
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aaaaaaah side-sweeping long fringe is so hard to pull off well but i think you come across very arty like. w..was that the intention??? artsy batsy~
Oh no, I had no intentions whatsoever. I just wanted to try something new for a change. :3 I like the thought of looking more artsy though, haha.
It doesn't help that I have facial hair growing.. I'm only growing it because people want to see me with it.
I hate facial hair on myself. (´・_・`)
Also! The guy ruined the back my head.. ( ̄<  ̄>
seductiv, aaaaaaaaah i just read up on your worky issue. that sux though. i think he's harassing you by now. have you been documenting the events? document your apology and everything to back your case up. he can 'say' that your apologies are not sincere or whatever, but if you got proof that you attempted to rectify the situation, it's on his onus to prove that he also try to overcome the issue. if he continue to refuse to reconcile, then he is frustrating the case and that is on him.
The first 3 apologies was in person so I don't have any documentations on that, but the 4th apology, my manager was there to mediate and he heard it. All three of us agreed the incident is resolved then today happened.
I plan leaving soon. I'm bummed and angry that I gave this company nearly a decade and I have to go out like this. I wanted to leave cause the pay sucks, but not like this.
that's a shame! a decade of work! :<
im so sorry to hear that you've decided to go but i totally understand the emotions
i hope you will find a better job (with a better pay!) and soon
hugs are here if you wants/needs them
ahmigod
My very wise oppa told me that the best way to increase your salary is to leave companies every 2 years. After the first few jobs, every 5 years.
I didn't mean to follow his advice, but in three years my salary doubled from a few job switches and picking up of valuable skills.
Good luck!
its anime. that's about the only logic I can give you.How is she rolling on the table when her feet is dangling off the table? Why is she all white? Why is her coworker's legs just as pale as hers?
I have questions.
lol so very truei tip 25% minimum cause old indian people dont tip at all so i try to make up the difference lol
The only person I tip more than 15% is my barber. He's just a cool dude.
I should totally post here more.
Well, both of us are good, I think. It's been a few years now and like I said, we leave the door open for him but honestly I know I don't care what he thinks anymore.
My mother-in-law has suggested that I apologize to him but 1) for what? and 2) I already did that a few years ago and it went over like a lead balloon. It's kind of sad because I think that she wants to have that close, mutually supportive relationship, but the way they treat us pretty much prevents that from happening.
guys. fresh off the boat starring The Interview's Kim Jong un airs before and after modern family tonight.
On chink in the armor: Huge overreaction and a reason why I cant 100% get behind some of the poc movement like Suey Park. Misguided activism. I tey to read up on the issues since there are some serious issues that America has to face, but a lot of issues people tackle are too manufactured for my taste. Which is a shame. I feel there are a lot of people like me who are alienated by the whole 'tumblr activism' movement. They want to participate but dont want to be associated with....that