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Asian-GAF: We're all the same, like Stormtroopers |OT| |AT|
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Gully State
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I don't get this observation. What's an Asian American accent?
Last year I posted really snarky shit in the DOTA2 TI thread and got banned, so I'm not really gonna post that there, because it's not gonna get anything accomplished anyway.
Not really an accent, just more an observation that Asian American voice register is very similar, I never really feel like there's a lot of variance so they all sound similar to me. I am wrong though, so feel free to ignore me thinking aloud.
Gully State
Member
The funny thing is the star player for EG (the American team) is a Pakistani kid
I love EG's team though. Universe is a god.
What ethnicity is Universe?
Don't know for sure, but a quick Google tells me his name (Saahil) is a Hindi name mostly used in India.
It's okay guys, you just don't get the reference, and it might just be slightly tasteless at worst.
Riiiiight.
Riiiiight.
Septimus Prime
Member
They should just throw in the next line: "Did they send me daughters, when I asked for sons?" Get that diet sexism in there, too.
You know this got me thinking.
I been to San Francisco NUMEROUS times and I noticed a lot of people depend on public transportation and foot transportation. I am guessing since Japan is very metro-esque, the people there also depend on foot transportation too.
If they walk so much, I would reckon they would be fit.
Sometimes I take the stairs when I go between the Upper and Lower lot at Universal Studios. Good workout.
Gully State
Member
From our Dota 2 TI5 thread... SMH..
Par for the course for Twitch chat.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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But it's from a gaf thread, not even twitch :/
Of course no one even responded to that post in the thread.
You just don't get it man. I mean, it's maybe just a tasteless joke at worst.
/diet racism
I responded and the dude doubled down, :lol
DOTA community is by far the worst in gaming. Shame it's attached to such a great game.
It got even worse when the HoNtrash got absorbed =\
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
My mistake, carry on.
I'll be honest, I consider all online gaming to be absolute garbage. It's literally why I play no video games online except for Nintendo games because it's random and you can't interact with each other. I understand why are they yelled at for it but it's honestly the only reason I play online and even then it's sparingly. I used to absolutely love to play games online, now I can't even stand the thought of it. It's a shame.
Edit: I don't even mind the doubling down but it's mind numbing when you'll see 3 mods post directly after a post like that and nothing ever happens to the poster. All the crap other people have been banned for but stuff like that is always just ignored and downplayed. Really frustrating.
Sometimes I wish there was a proper report button because I feel like PM'ing a mod is like crying to your parents.
Also yeah I got banned for the dumbest shit last year cause of TI. I laughed at everyone cause the finals last year was a straight up landslide and told them that this happens in real sports too. Not even diet racism/sexism.
Unfortunately GAF is still a much more progressive board than many others.
Also yeah I got banned for the dumbest shit last year cause of TI. I laughed at everyone cause the finals last year was a straight up landslide and told them that this happens in real sports too. Not even diet racism/sexism.
Unfortunately GAF is still a much more progressive board than many others.
CapNBritain
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Went to the 626 night market and best thing I had was
Going to get it catered for my wedding in October.
Going to get it catered for my wedding in October.
BTW y'all, I met Gromph in Tokyo! We went to a metal bar. I also got mistaken for a homeless person in Tokyo...some random guy asked me if I wanted to go get dinner @_@.
Haha, how did you manage that?
Is there a Japan thread somewhere?Zaraki_Kenpachi
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@Sober, Zaraki... I agree. I also hate the PM a mod system because it does seem kinda like being a whiny little bitch, ya know? I think I only used it once before (but the mod was like, oh I don't think it's racisn~) so after that experience it did seem like it was pointless.
BTW y'all, I met Gromph in Tokyo! We went to a metal bar
And the ramen here...and the sushi...amazingggg. We went somewhere with two stars (Jiro's son's place). I didn't take any pictures, too busy eating and enjoying my food, but I will try next time.
Yeah, I've had the similar situation where you finally do say something and they either say it's not racist or you're overreacting so I've just given up. Plus it feels like since they feel that way that any pushing of it will just get you banned for "derailing the thread" since that's happened in the past with other issues. It's unfortunately just something you have to accept because like everywhere else no one cares if it's racist against asians because they don't feel there's enough of it to warrant a complaint.
How did you manage to be confused with a homeless person? Was it something you were wearing? Definitely has to be an interesting experience, especially when you're in another country. :lol
Clicked on yet another Konami/Japanese gaming industry thread on Gaming Side, read the first post, and stopped reading.
Jesus, what the hell?
Jesus, what the hell?
Septimus Prime
Member
So here's the thing about Konami: I used to work there, and I was there for several years. Many of the things you've been reading about are indeed true, but here's the thing: (two colons in one sentence? Oh snap!) Konami's culture is unusual for a Japanese company and even unusual for a Japanese video game company. I still work for a Japanese video game company right now, but its culture is nothing like Konami's, where even on the US side, a lot of those things that are coming to light now because of the Kojima situation also apply.
Seductivpancakes
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This is the second time I've seen a tutorial on how to eat Chinese food
I didn't know we made hard to eat food.
Oh Bunny, how is your trip going?
I disagree with this Standard Eating Procedure (SEP) (tm) wholeheartedly. I bite a hole, not poke a hole
Septimus Prime
Member
Anyway, back to that Konami thing real quick: I just read through that thread about GameIndustry.biz article, and the irony (which someone actually brought up on the first page but was then ignored) is that the entire kaizen philosophy is American. It was introduced to Japan in the 50s, where American management specialists advised spoke about it, and Japan latched onto it to increase efficiency in rebuilding itself after WWII.
At the American office, we talked about kaizen all the time, but I don't know if we actually really applied it. What we ended up with was the all too common scenario of a few bad apples in upper management taking credit for any contributions or improvements made by their subordinates.
At the American office, we talked about kaizen all the time, but I don't know if we actually really applied it. What we ended up with was the all too common scenario of a few bad apples in upper management taking credit for any contributions or improvements made by their subordinates.
Gully State
Member
I disagree with this Standard Eating Procedure (SEP) (tm) wholeheartedly. I bite a hole, not poke a hole
I bit the hole too. Who pokes with a chopstick?
Seductivpancakes
Member
I disagree with this Standard Eating Procedure (SEP) (tm) wholeheartedly. I bite a hole, not poke a hole
Agreed. I bite a whole or sometimes, I'll just stick the whole thing in my mouth and just let it gush out. When its not scalding hot of course lol.
IAmtheFMan
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Korean/Asian-GAF, I just watched Ode to my Father, and I'm a wreck.
To those that don't know, it's a 2014 Korean movie that spans decades starting in the Korean War and ending in modern times. It's like (and actually rips off) certain aspects of Forrest Gump, but in Korea.
By all accounts, I shouldn't have responded this much to this movie. The cinema-phile part of my brain had alarms going off during the whole thing. It's clearly tugging for melodrama; even a couple standard deviations above normal Korean stuff. It's janky and has some strange time-jump transitions and there's a lot of inconsistent tones. It glosses over a lot of stuff historically and came across as fairly nationalist and jingoistic. And if you wanna see the concept of 'Han' in a 2 hour movie... you don't get much closer than this. But dammit if it didn't resonate with me on all levels. I imagine my father and mother going through their own experiences and the burden on that generation. There's a line in the movie about something like "aren't you relieved that it's us and not our children that had to live through all of this?" That killed me. Plus seeing the protagonist in Vietnam and uncovering some old photos of my father in Vietnam just again hit way too close to home.
I wish my parents (and others from their generation) were more open about sharing their memories and experiences of the Korean war, and growing up in a poor, war-torn country. Unfortunately, it's just not what that generation does and I hope that it isn't lost to time. For Asian-GAF, I do recommend checking it out since it's on Netflix now.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to make a phone call and wake up my parents.
To those that don't know, it's a 2014 Korean movie that spans decades starting in the Korean War and ending in modern times. It's like (and actually rips off) certain aspects of Forrest Gump, but in Korea.
By all accounts, I shouldn't have responded this much to this movie. The cinema-phile part of my brain had alarms going off during the whole thing. It's clearly tugging for melodrama; even a couple standard deviations above normal Korean stuff. It's janky and has some strange time-jump transitions and there's a lot of inconsistent tones. It glosses over a lot of stuff historically and came across as fairly nationalist and jingoistic. And if you wanna see the concept of 'Han' in a 2 hour movie... you don't get much closer than this. But dammit if it didn't resonate with me on all levels. I imagine my father and mother going through their own experiences and the burden on that generation. There's a line in the movie about something like "aren't you relieved that it's us and not our children that had to live through all of this?" That killed me. Plus seeing the protagonist in Vietnam and uncovering some old photos of my father in Vietnam just again hit way too close to home.
I wish my parents (and others from their generation) were more open about sharing their memories and experiences of the Korean war, and growing up in a poor, war-torn country. Unfortunately, it's just not what that generation does and I hope that it isn't lost to time. For Asian-GAF, I do recommend checking it out since it's on Netflix now.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to make a phone call and wake up my parents.
RapidCancel
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How long are you in Japan for? What areas are you visiting? I'll be back there this October, can't wait!
Did you have a cup next to you?
ActStriker
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I found a good dim sum place within a reasonable driving distance of my office (<= 15 mins)
Gamechanger
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Cow Mengde
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You speak Japanese? Or did he ask you in English?
Nice article about teaching differences in America and Japan I came across in the math thread. It dispels some of the stereotypes of Asian countries (well, mostly Japan in that article) doing better simply because of rote memorization.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/why-do-americans-stink-at-math.html?_r=0
"B-b-but the only reason why Asians score better than us is because they rely on rote memorization!"
Get off your high horse already. My American education did nothing to stimulate creativity or anything of that sort. Even English classes were rote memorization: first paragraph (hook, background information, thesis); second through fourth paragraphs (mini-thesis, argument, closing sentence); fifth paragraph (reference introduction, restate thesis, concluding sentence). They managed to turn writing, a beautifully expressive form, into an oversimplified equation to shove down students' throats. I got the maximum marks on my SAT and ACT writing sections because of that formula. I also can't write because of that formula.
@Septimus: That's really interesting. Do you know if the American branch and the Japanese branch are different regarding kaizen?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/why-do-americans-stink-at-math.html?_r=0
"B-b-but the only reason why Asians score better than us is because they rely on rote memorization!"
Get off your high horse already. My American education did nothing to stimulate creativity or anything of that sort. Even English classes were rote memorization: first paragraph (hook, background information, thesis); second through fourth paragraphs (mini-thesis, argument, closing sentence); fifth paragraph (reference introduction, restate thesis, concluding sentence). They managed to turn writing, a beautifully expressive form, into an oversimplified equation to shove down students' throats. I got the maximum marks on my SAT and ACT writing sections because of that formula. I also can't write because of that formula.
@Septimus: That's really interesting. Do you know if the American branch and the Japanese branch are different regarding kaizen?
Gully State
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Then there's the Asians aren't creative stereotype by extension...
Septimus Prime
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I don't know. I was a pretty low level employee there, so my interactions with Japan were limited to emails and a few calls. On paper, since the directives all came from the same place anyway, it should have been the same, though.
What I do know is that I (as well as others in the US office) did have to do things like work for weeks/months in a row of 12+ hours days, and I have done a few overnight shifts and/or had to go back to work after I went home. And then that stuff about our company emails being random strings of numbers is true, too. The most annoying thing about that was not that the numbers were random but that they changed every year, so for a short time each year, our legitimate contacts couldn't get ahold of us. My first couple of years, I took no vacation or sick days. I called in sick once, but I had to go to work on that day anyway because we were submitting an important title, and I was the only one who knew how to do it at the time. I've even walked people through the submissions process from Disneyland before.
Now, that being said, the benefits we got there in terms of PTO were pretty damn great. Before I left, I was accruing a day off every two weeks, and since I was at the cap, no one said anything when I took a day off every other week, since everyone else at the cap did it, too. We also had 13 company holidays per year (plus a week or two during Christmas) that didn't count toward our PTO, and HR added a new holiday every year (they added "Summer Holiday" and "Winter Holiday" while I was there). The sucky thing was that the conditions there were so bad that everyone wanted to take days off all the time. They had to make holiday parties mandatory (if you don't go, you have to use PTO) just so people would actually go. Additionally, a significant percentage of the company consisted of contractors, so I was actually very lucky to be afforded those benefits, since they had none of those.
For me, the saddest part about what's happening with them now (even though I'd be lying if I said I didn't see it coming) is that a lot of decent people will probably be losing their jobs after all is said and done. That really sucks.
Rice-Eater
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Not important and kind of old, but I can't help but talk to someone about this. Peyton Manning is my all time favorite NFL player(I didn't say Football to avoid pissing off internationals lol) and a little while back he pulled a couple of kids from the audience during training camp and threw some passes to them. This is 10 days old but I just found out about it today. This strikes an even bigger chord with me because these two kids also happen to be Hmong(same as me).
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25257575
Peyton, the Hmong people will create a shrine in your honor that will live on for eternity just like we did for Clint Eastwood back in 2008 and Neil Patrick Harris back in 1991.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25257575
Peyton, the Hmong people will create a shrine in your honor that will live on for eternity just like we did for Clint Eastwood back in 2008 and Neil Patrick Harris back in 1991.
What do you mean?
I sort of agree and disagree with the "essay" format. If only because it is very necessary for life, period. That is probably something as essential as math and that should be drilled into your head as soon as possible and reinforced. A thesis is basically presenting an argument or a point of view, and well, if people can't do that ... well I guess that's what the internet is for these days.
Yeah, I think the process is very rote and mechanical, but you don't want to confuse people by complicating things, obviously. I think the "thesis" structure works fine, it's up to the individual to take it and make it their own. I think the underlying issue is that in high school up to most of undergrad, you don't get to pick your own topics (most of undergrad, you might get lucky) to write about. And depending on how much you want to talk about whatever topic or where you land on the scale of passionate/dispassionate, it's a huge difference to the material that you produce.
Like if I told you to tell me why your favourite movie is the best fucking movie ever, well, you have the tools to do so. Add your enthusiasm for the subject and I'm sure you'll easily blow past the standard 5 paragraph structure but every argument you make will support your overall thesis, and hell, maybe even be convincing (especially if you want to convince me your favourite move is a comic book movie).
It's not strictly limited to the liberal arts either. I assume scientific papers work on the same general (GENERAL) outline with a few changes for scientific method reasons, etc. I never really got past a scientific paper without falling asleep (I have a B.Sc, laugh at me) but it's the same thing: you make your thesis (or hypothesis anyway), then you discuss the methodology, etc, then the results, implications, etc. Seems pretty close to me.
I also sorta use the "thesis" structure to evaluate media. And in the same effect, that's also how I sort of write fiction (in a general sense, because it's not as simple but the underlying intent is all there) Not sure if anyone else does it, but I'm sure they do, just not consciously think about it all the time.
I could go on for a while with this, but I think it depends. I personally don't know enough 2nd gen or later Asians to make a judgement call but I feel like immigrant/1st gen usually go for highly educated professions over creative endevours. And never quite as simple as "they aren't creative". Which makes me feel like the odd one out because pretty much every Asian friend I have (I have a lot by virtue of living in Toronto) is more or less 1st gen and are engineers/doctors-to-be/lawyers-to-be or at least have jobs that pay way more than minimum wage and actually make use their university degrees.
I'm not still entirely sure why I decided wanted to be a creative, because not simply for the sake of being contrarian. All at the same time I'm on the track to become sort of a professional in the meantime.
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because the final showdown was an American team (comprised of Americans, a Canadian and a Pakastani) vs. a Chinese team. And there's variations in styles of play and metagame in western vs. eastern Dota that I don't even know except that there are and yes of course, western (i.e. probably RED BLOODED WHITE AMERICAN MALE) Dota fans love to criticise "Chinese Dota", whatever that may be.
You might want to ask an actual person versed in Dota for details.
People criticize Chinese DOTA because they're really good on average. That's really what it comes down to at the end of the day.
Some of the teams have similar playstyles/strategies (often because the teams shuffle players around between each other) - specifically, playing for the end-game - but not all of them. It's funny, because that's essentially what fan-favorite Secret does too - but they're white, so...
Some of the teams have similar playstyles/strategies (often because the teams shuffle players around between each other) - specifically, playing for the end-game - but not all of them. It's funny, because that's essentially what fan-favorite Secret does too - but they're white, so...
Gully State
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Not just art - but in sciences, Asians are criticized for not being innovative problem solvers. Apparently we don't think outside the box because our education is based on rote memorization (which is fuckin horseshit).
As for TI5, the people criticizing Chinese DOTA at this point have no leg to stand on. There was maybe one Chinese DOTA team (IG) that was playing 4 protect 1 and farming for the late game. Everyone knew the meta favored team fights and aggression and the Chinese responded in kind. Also it's weird that Secret wasn't criticized for playing the farming game. Creating space for Arteezy to farm all game is a waste of his talents.
Rice-Eater
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I'm not a DOTA(or any MOBA) player or fan but I'm really into Street Fighter both as a player and viewer. We(as in the FGC) can only hope to one day attain what DOTA is already doing right now in terms of viewers and pay out. Maybe it never happens but that's not going to stop us. When SFV comes out next year it'll be a big boost to the community that should bring us up to another level. Hopefully the community, Capcom, and even Sony can work together to grow the community and sustain our own model where SFV can be mentioned in the same breath as the other big Esport games.
ActStriker
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obligatory food pic for this page
RapidCancel
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Why do you say that? Just stop worrying and live your life. You don't want to be the one holding yourself back from anything.
Well, see, that's the thing: by most objective measures I *am* succeeding in all of those areas. I have a wonderful career, go on dates, and so on.
The problem is that amount of effort I put into each of these things. The bamboo ceiling, the amount of effort I put into getting even a coffee date, the model minority problem, and so forth.