Batman > Superman: Dawn of Justice |OT| Enter the Knightmare
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This doesn't seem like that kind of Batman. Seems more like Frank Miller Batman. And that's not to compare the story and quality of the movie to The Dark Knight Returns or anything, but obviously the Batman in this was mostly influenced by that version.
Discotheque
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I consider some of my more strained bowel movements an event tbh so it fits
121,000 people didn't go immediately to review it on RT in the last 24hrs.
I assume you've seen the movie? If you have, then your opinion is justified, but I would hope you wouldn't be posting that without having seen it.
Huh? I've seen a few reviews by people who wanted to like this but still said it wasn't great. I haven't really seen anyone who wanted it to be shit.
All Star Batman was written by Frank Miller.
Sorry. Brain fart. I meant the TDKR version
Nah, since this movie was announced people wanted it to be bad because they hated Man of Steel. Even now, on this very site, people were almost filled with glee that this movie was reviewing poorly. Most reviews I've seen/heard, from people I trust, have been from "It's alright" to "It's good, fuck the reviews." There have already been posts that were just wrong about the events of the film because it fit their narrative.
Laughing Banana
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This movie tried so, so, so hard to be extremely grimdark it can be suffocating sometimes when I watched it. It's like the word "fun" isn't allowed at all in the movie's universe: no, they all must suffer, they all must mourn, they all must be sour. I mean... damn man.
MOST PEOPLE WITH SENSE DON'T WANT MOVIES TO BE BAD
I'm one of the biggest apologists out there for even the weakest links in the Marvel movie series (Thor, Thor 2) as highly enjoyable in their own right, and even I wanted BvS to completely knock it out of the park because hypothetically, a movie featuring Batman and Superman ideologically at odds should be a ton of fun. I wasn't born a Marvel fan, Iron Man 1 made me one in 2008 by being cool as shit and it just snowballed from there. I've been a bat-fan for longer, I'm just not a bat-nut from the DCCU subreddit who was bound to defend this movie no matter how misguided it could have turned out to be.
manfestival
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so in other words, the movie was pretty good then right?
Good for you, a lot of people did want this movie to do poorly. Lot of people don't got sense. A dude legit posted a message saying that if you like Dawn of Justice, you support Trump. People hedged their bets on this being a shitty movie. At worst, it's probably as polarizing as Man of Steel
Knuckle Sandwich
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Just got back from a screening. Got some beads and a Batman pez dispenser. Yay. I absolutely loved the movie. Easily better than MoS(which isn't saying much), AoU(which also isn't saying much) and most recent superhero movies. I don't understand the hate. Of course there were things I didn't like but you gotta be out of your mind to say this deserves a rotten score.
Did you end up liking this? Or did you not watch it yet? It's kind of hard to tell from your post.
JayhawkerStL
Banned
Yep.
And they hated MoS because they wanted a different film than Snyder and Nolan wanted to do. I personally like the dark and grim take on superheroes. It's a perfect contrast from what Marvel is doing, which I also like. not liking the direction of MoS is cool. But it wasn't a bad film.
BvS feels like a natural progression from MoS, so the internet was all in on the hate parade early. First they raged that Affleck was a terrible choice. But even the worst reviews are praising his work. Then Gordot was a terrible choice for Wonder woman, and lo and behold, she's getting praise, too.
Now we are left with the internet crying about too many heroes, too dark of a tone, and obvious launching pad for a new franchise. It was going to be something.
SmackAttack
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How did you feel about the way it tries to set up Justice League?
Permanently A
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I definitely agree on the bolded. I enjoyed Man of Steel as a film. It just wasn't a good Superman movie.
It's honestly the best Supes movie we got
ScreenSplitter
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Okay...? I'm sure there are people cackling with glee that this film isn't good. It doesnt really matter. Their influence doesn't stop it from being an absolute train wreck.
Knuckle Sandwich
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I thought it was good. More details in the spoiler
Batman's vision of earth invaded by Darkseid(i guess?) was cool. Flash popping up(through the speed force i guess) was ok but Flash looks like shit, and the clips of Cyborg and Aquaman were neat. The end scene with Bruce and Diana left me very much looking forward to JL
Like I said, film's gonna be polarizing. You may believe it's a train wreck, lot of people believe it's good.
Permanently A
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Can't agree with that at all. This poster said it more eloquently that I ever could:
yeah. The moment that a huge part of the audience is going to root for batman, almost yelling at the screen to finish off Superman of all things, is the moment that you should realize you've screwed up majorly. :/
Not even the biggest #teamIronMan supporters would be having the same feeling when Tony's got cap in a headlock.
More_Badass
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See, that post assumes all audiences and watchers care about Superman in that way or think about the movie in the same way or felt about the hero similarly. Just because that poster or some audiences stopped rooting for Clark, doesn't make it a concrete set-in-stone fact that the movie made everyone feel that way
I find it to be the best Superman movie. Superman and Superman II are just movies that passed with the times.
Laughing Banana
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Well to be honest I enjoyed it more than I thought I would having known how savage the reviews have torn it apart.
I am by no means a huge or even moderate comic book fans though. I have no knowledge about comic books beyond seeing various super hero movies, like for example I didn't know that the "last boss" of this movie was actually a famous Superman villain--I honestly thought it was a rather generic monster with generic power fought generically with generic ups and downs.
The kindest word that I can offer towards the movie is that it is very... flat. Unlike Batman Begins or Dark Knight Returns that stirred something inside me, this movie from the beginning to end felt very... flat.
Permanently A
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I don't think he was saying everyone should think the way he thinks, nor espousing his opinions as fact. Obviously lots of people thought MoS was a great Superman movie. I'm just saying that he explains why I feel like it wasn't a good Superman movie.
Its funny to wonder whether posters 20 years from now will discuss current movies in a similar tone.
Yeah that seems like a fair point being made. I thought MoS was decent but I certainly didn't love it. My main issue was that, of all the characters to make dark, humorless, and lacking heroism, why Superman? Simply to make him different? I just don't get it. It's fine to make THAT kind of superhero movie. But why take a character who is all about hope and light, and throw those traits out the window? Leave moral ambiguity to the others, and keep Superman a shining symbol of good in the world.
I much preferred the characterization of Superman in Superman Returns, even though I didn't think it was an amazing movie by any means. But that should have been the tone of Man of Steel, even if the plot and setup was different.
DerZuhälter
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The OT this movie deserves.
WB should stop every goddamn DC movie in production right now.
WB should stop every goddamn DC movie in production right now.
crazyrabbits
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WordsintheWater
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It's close.
Yeah I don't put a lot of stock in that when crappy movies like Iron Man 2, and 3, and Thor: Dark World are over 50%
Not saying BvS doesn't suck, haven't seen it yet, but some movies, especially superhero ones don't deserve as high ratings as they were given
roflwaffles
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Double Toasted review starts about 16 minutes in: https://soundcloud.com/kcoolman/the-movie-review-extravaganza-3-23-16
Ploid 3.0
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Poor superman guy.
Just came back from seeing it in Australia, and my highlight was definitely Wonder Woman. So psyched for her movie now.
Bit confused by a few things though, and was going to ask some questions but I don't think this is such a great place for spoiler discussion. Not so sure about the ending though as well was definitely surprised and a bit annoyed that will have to wait until another film to get answers there.
Maybe there'll be more explanation on the extended bluray.
Bit confused by a few things though, and was going to ask some questions but I don't think this is such a great place for spoiler discussion. Not so sure about the ending though as well was definitely surprised and a bit annoyed that will have to wait until another film to get answers there.
Maybe there'll be more explanation on the extended bluray.
AmaterasuOni
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What stage is this?
Use this thread: https://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1197146
Discotheque
Banned
Honest truth. (Except for the iron man 3 bashing)
The rating isn't that different actually...It's close.
This is fantastic:
http://comicandscreen.blogspot.com/2016/03/interpreting-batman-v-superman-reviews.html?m=1
Yeah only 41 points.
http://comicandscreen.blogspot.com/2016/03/interpreting-batman-v-superman-reviews.html?m=1
Yeah only 41 points.
No, the rating. 5.2 vs 6.7
Discotheque
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That blog post is pretty good. It's fun comparing this film to Paul blart and shit but like the article says the actual reviews are more split down the middle as opposed to many other 30 below films reviews
It will reach many deaf ears tho....
It will reach many deaf ears tho....
I'm not defending the RT or anything but being 41% lower than AoU doesn't mean it scored 41 points less. That's not how RT works. And besides, he either meant the audience rating (which you can't really rely on yet) or the average score which shows only a 1 point difference.
I don't care what anyone says the .x is worthless. Just say out of 100 instead of out of 10 if you're going to utilize that.
Shadow-Link
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Just came back. I'm trying to wrap my head around what I just saw.
Batfleck is good, Wonder Woman is ok, Lex is a mixed bag but overall I enjoyed the character, the fights are good.
But dear god the editing is baaad.
I really wanted to like it but in the end it just fell flat.
6/10
Batfleck is good, Wonder Woman is ok, Lex is a mixed bag but overall I enjoyed the character, the fights are good.
But dear god the editing is baaad.
I really wanted to like it but in the end it just fell flat.
6/10
Thanks.
Also I can't believe it took me until this movie to realise Batman and Superman's (adopted) mother name is Martha. Didn't DC way back when think it was a bit silly for them to both have the same name?
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