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Batman v Superman Extended Edition trailer + details

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Figboy79

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D.Lo said:
Why the fuck is Wonder Woman the main person on the cover of a movie Called Batman V Superman.
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It's a hideous cover, but she's out in the center for symmetry. If she was on the left or right, visually, it would feel unbalanced:

Man - Man - Woman
Woman - Man - Man

Instead we get:

Man - Woman - Man

Which, on a subconscious level feels more comfortable and balanced when you look it. Even so, it just looks like a horrible magazine cover. I don't know why they didn't just go with a poster, or have some original art done that's a bit more explosive and eye catching. I've seen the covers on Netflix for genuinely shitty movies that have more artistic design consideration put into it.
 
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MegaManTrigger

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whytemyke said:
Yeah. That's not what he said though. Read any number of comments on this page. He said raping Batman in prison would be dark, not training with ninjas as a monastery.


I feel like BvS serves as a great Rorschach test for comic book fans.
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Only if you miss the next sentence.

Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.
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It's amazing that he craps on Batman Begins for its lack of darkness. At least that movie had a story, had characters, and was the start of Bruce's journey. Not to mention, his sense of darkness is as cringeworthy as hearing Kingdom Hearts characters scream "DARKNESS!"
 
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IconGrist

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MegaManTrigger said:
Only if you miss the next sentence.



It's amazing that he craps on Batman Begins for its lack of darkness. At least that movie had a story, had characters, and was the start of Bruce's journey. Not to mention, his sense of darkness is as cringeworthy as hearing Kingdom Hearts characters scream "DARKNESS!"
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This is a very childish way of looking at things. The Batman in BvS was a character with a story near the end of his journey. If you didn't like it, fine, but it still had those elements. And none of those things have to do with darkness specifically so I don't understand the correlation you're trying to make.
 
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IndoAssassin

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The thing that ruined the movie for me was the whole Martha cheap ass drama exploit.

It made me crack up every time. Will the extended edition fix that part?

I can only think of Zach sitting in his layer thinking, I bet people don't realize that both of their mothers names are Martha, well I'll use that to stop Batman murdering spree muhahaha. This will blow everyone's mind.
 
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MegaManTrigger

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The Icon said:
This is a very childish way of looking at things. The Batman in BvS was a character with a story near the end of his journey. If you didn't like it, fine, but it still had those elements. And none of those things have to do with darkness specifically so I don't understand the correlation you're trying to make.
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The problem is him thumbing his nose at other movies simply because it doesn't have the same kind of darkness that he'd aim for. This isn't the first time he's done it (though in other cases, he usually attacks how Marvel has been able to transform B/C-List characters into A-List), and in these cases, the movies that he thumbs his nose do their characters more justice than Snyder did with his Batman.

Even if you argue that Batman was at the end of his journey, Snyder's problem is that he doesn't give enough for the audience to understand and get behind his change. This is why audiences get turned off whenever there are scenes where Batman kills, or the complaints about branding criminals. You and I know and can make inferences where that comes from, but most people won't because they don't know DC lore. That being said, accessibility and doing the character justice are the keys to a successful movie.
 
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IconGrist

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MegaManTrigger said:
The problem is him thumbing his nose at other movies simply because it doesn't have the same kind of darkness that he'd aim for. This isn't the first time he's done, and in these cases, the movies that he thumbs his nose do their characters more justice than Snyder did with his Batman.

Even if you argue that Batman was at the end of his journey, Snyder's problem is that he doesn't give enough for the audience to understand and get behind his change. This is why audiences get turned off whenever there are scenes where Batman kills, or the complaints about branding criminals. You and I know and can make inferences where that comes from, but most people won't because they don't know DC lore. That being said, accessibility and doing the character justice are the keys to a successful movie.
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That's fine and all but he was just saying that Begins wasn't dark. Which it isnt. It's a serious movie but it's not a dark one. That's what he was thumbing his nose at. The description, not the movie. The same thing happened when that BvS producer called BvS a "fun time at the movies". Everybody scoffed at that description. I liked BvS a lot but I would never call it fun, lol.
 
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IndoAssassin

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Jeffolation said:
I can't see there being an alternate take on that scene, to be honest.
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I can, how about batman actually impaling Superman with the spear, Superman before he passes out tells Batman to save his mom and says mom rather than calling his mother by her name. Wonder Woman fights Doomsday, she's handling it on her own well, but as she's fighting him Doomsday is upgrading while Batman saves his mom. Then tries to help WW. Then they start getting their asses handed to them, then Doomsday in the chaos causes Louis to get trapped and about to die or something similar. Her screams wake up Superman to save her and he duels it out with Doomsday. Till they beat the fuck out of each other. And visually show both getting the fuck beat outta each other till Superman wins and gets impaled a second time.
 
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Ashhong

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Frozenprince said:
Thank you.

The whole point of them "forcing the burden" on to him is that they realize he has a gift and that he should use that gift to do as much good as he can do for the world. That's the universal constant with Clark Kent.
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That's stupid. I find this interpretation of the Kents much more realistic and believable. I'm not saying it has to be this way, but to complain about this is yet another "not my superman" complaint. It's a completely valid interpretation

IndoAssassin said:
I can, how about batman actually impaling Superman with the spear, Superman before he passes out tells Batman to save his mom and says mom rather than calling his mother by her name. Wonder Woman fights Doomsday, she's handling it on her own well, but as she's fighting him Doomsday is upgrading while Batman saves his mom. Then tries to help WW. Then they start getting their asses handed to them, then Doomsday in the chaos causes Louis to get trapped and about to die or something similar. Her screams wake up Superman to save her and he duels it out with Doomsday. Till they beat the fuck out of each other. And visually show both getting the fuck beat outta each other till Superman wins and gets impaled a second time.
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Extended means additional scenes, not completely different changes to appeal to the complainers.
 
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IconGrist

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The issue with saying "Mom" is the same issue with saying "Martha". Batman doesn't know who Superman is so saying either one doesn't provide Batman with any information that has practical use. At least with "Martha" there is a connection there that means something to Bruce. I get that the scene was executed poorly but saying "Mom" instead is not a quick fix.
 
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unholyrevenger72

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IndoAssassin said:
I can, how about batman actually impaling Superman with the spear, Superman before he passes out tells Batman to save his mom and says mom rather than calling his mother by her name. Wonder Woman fights Doomsday, she's handling it on her own well, but as she's fighting him Doomsday is upgrading while Batman saves his mom. Then tries to help WW. Then they start getting their asses handed to them, then Doomsday in the chaos causes Louis to get trapped and about to die or something similar. Her screams wake up Superman to save her and he duels it out with Doomsday. Till they beat the fuck out of each other. And visually show both getting the fuck beat outta each other till Superman wins and gets impaled a second time.
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That's even dumber than "Martha"...

the only way to really fix it, is to have Joe Chill say something during the mugging then have Bruce say the same thing as he's about to kill Supes, then snaps out of it when he realizes he's become what he fights against.
 
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Arjayes

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D.Lo said:
Why the fuck is Wonder Woman the main person on the cover of a movie Called Batman V Superman.
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The "V" is for vagina?

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to this release because isn't this the version Affleck liked or was that a rumor?
 
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IndoAssassin

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unholyrevenger72 said:
That's even dumber than "Martha"...

the only way to really fix it, is to have Joe Chill say something during the mugging then have Bruce say the same thing as he's about to kill Supes, then snaps out of it when he realizes he's become what he fights against.
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Why? Superman is supposed to be the strongest of the trinity. Yet in this DCU, WW would kick the shit out of him the way he's portrayed without kryptonite.
 
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IconGrist

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IndoAssassin said:
Why? Superman is supposed to be the strongest of the trinity. Yet in this DCU, WW would kick the shit out of him the way he's portrayed without kryptonite.
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Did you quote the wrong post?

Edit: I guess not but you're entire scenario doesn't make sense. If Batman impaled him with the kryptonite spear why would Superman just wake up to save Lois?
 
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bishopcruz said:
Right, but Batman wasn't raped in Son of the Demon. Morrison came up with an explanation that Batman was drugged and that was the only reason he slept with Talia after the fact. It was weird and unnecessary.
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Ha, yeah, seems like when writing his run he hadn't actually read Son of the Demon, just like apparently most of the rest of us. Thanks for the correction.

I don't think the idea was that Batman only slept with Talia because of the drugs, the run suggests during a flashback sequence that there is definitely a spark there even without chemical enhancement. (Admittedly this is Talia's memory, I'm pretty sure, but that doesn't make it false.) But aside from the excuse of Morrison's malfunctioning memory, the sex act itself had drugs added presumably to give cover to a great detective hero getting a woman pregnant and apparently never following up on that.
 
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Jeffolation

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IndoAssassin said:
I can, how about batman actually impaling Superman with the spear, Superman before he passes out tells Batman to save his mom and says mom rather than calling his mother by her name. Wonder Woman fights Doomsday, she's handling it on her own well, but as she's fighting him Doomsday is upgrading while Batman saves his mom. Then tries to help WW. Then they start getting their asses handed to them, then Doomsday in the chaos causes Louis to get trapped and about to die or something similar. Her screams wake up Superman to save her and he duels it out with Doomsday. Till they beat the fuck out of each other. And visually show both getting the fuck beat outta each other till Superman wins and gets impaled a second time.
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Oh as far as writing a better way for that scene to play out sure, a lot of different scenarios could have been written and could've landed a lot better than the Martha scene we ended up with in the theatrical release.

I just don't think they filmed alternative versions of the scenario we ended up with though.
 
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IndoAssassin

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The Icon said:
Did you quote the wrong post?

Edit: I guess not but you're entire scenario doesn't make sense. If Batman impaled him with the kryptonite spear why would Superman just wake up to save Lois?
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Adrenaline. When you get stabbed you don't die right away unless it's directly in the heart.

I've been stabbed before, Sat there bleeding out for a while before the ambulance arrived. Damn that was a lot of blood.
 
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MegaManTrigger

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The Icon said:
That's fine and all but he was just saying that Begins wasn't dark. Which it isnt. It's a serious movie but it's not a dark one. That's what he was thumbing his nose at. The description, not the movie. The same thing happened when that BvS producer called BvS a "fun time at the movies". Everybody scoffed at that description. I liked BvS a lot but I would never call it fun, lol.
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I disagree. Maybe it doesn't suit his definition of dark (after all darkness is subjective), but I think Begins is a pretty dark movie (not as dark as TDK, but I digress), both in terms of colour choice and subject matter. It was the first Batman movie to plunge their hands into the filth of crime and show its effects on them as well as on Gotham as a whole.

Also, I would argue that there's a difference in what Snyder is saying vs. what that producer said. The producer has a vested interest in making sure BvS succeeds so what he's saying is trying to influence people to go watch it (even if it did fail miserably), especially considering how much of a buzz phrase "fun times" is. Whereas with Snyder, it seems to be an issue of artistic interpretation.
 
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IconGrist

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IndoAssassin said:
Adrenaline. When you get stabbed you don't die right away unless it's directly in the heart.

I've been stabbed before, Sat there bleeding out for a while before the ambulance arrived. Damn that was a lot of blood.
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Yea but you likely don't have an extreme fatal allergy to whatever it was you were stabbed with on top of that. Especially by "impale" you imply Batman leaves the spear in Superman's chest. He's not waking up from that.
 
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IndoAssassin

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The Icon said:
Yea but you likely don't have an extreme fatal allergy to whatever it was you were stabbed with on top of that. Especially by "impale" you imply Batman leaves the spear in Superman's chest. He's not waking up from that.
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Lol I just watch movies to enjoy them. I never try to make any logical sense of these things. All I know is the Martha scene was lame. But I still enjoyed the movie. But could have been better if they found a better way to resolve their fight.
 
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unholyrevenger72

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IndoAssassin said:
Why? Superman is supposed to be the strongest of the trinity. Yet in this DCU, WW would kick the shit out of him the way he's portrayed without kryptonite.
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Supes is very middle of the road when come to who can beat up who on the Justice league. WW, Flash, Shazam and Martian Manhunter are all capable of defeating Supes.

Between Supes and WW they're equals in Physical strength, in terms of durability Supes has the better physical defense, but WW has better Magic Defense, WW has better combat training, faster reflexes and superior foot speed. They did removed her ability fly so they couldn't have a convenient solution to doomsday where she and supes just drag doomsday into space via her lasso and Hammer throw him into the sun. Also her weapons are god forged and heavily enchanted.

Supes is like Goku, the stories are written so that he gets the Win
 
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AMUSIX

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Figboy79 said:
It's a hideous cover, but she's out in the center for symmetry. If she was on the left or right, visually, it would feel unbalanced:

Man - Man - Woman
Woman - Man - Man

Instead we get:

Man - Woman - Man.
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Or you just put WW behind the other two...or, you know, some of the other Trinity images that already exist:
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I know she's the best thing about the movie, and received a lot of critical praise, but to put her full torso front and center like that is just silly.
 
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glaringradio

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I absolutely hated this film, but a large amount of that hate came from how it was edited.

I really want to pick this up to see if it fixes anything, but I'm so worried that if they keep in
the scene where seemingly Bruce Wayne's authorization is needed to leave a building, in Metropolis, which is a few hundred meters from destruction
then it'll just be a wasted purchase.

That scene stood out to me, along with about 5 other scenes, interspersed in a film that could have been pretty good, but ultimately was ruined because of poor direction/editing.
 
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Bleepey

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glaringradio said:
I absolutely hated this film, but a large amount of that hate came from how it was edited.

I really want to pick this up to see if it fixes anything, but I'm so worried that if they keep in
the scene where seemingly Bruce Wayne's authorization is needed to leave a building, in Metropolis, which is a few hundred meters from destruction
then it'll just be a wasted purchase.

That scene stood out to me, along with about 5 other scenes, interspersed in a film that could have been pretty good, but ultimately was ruined because of poor direction/editing.
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I didn't take that as people needed his permission. A lot of people during 9/11 stayed in the buildings and in BVS/MoS there was probably a weird bystander effect going on.
 
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Alienous

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ProfessorDabs said:
@larryfong: Watched the #UltimateEdition again; now believe EVERYONE will LOVE it. Pre-order TODAY! #BatmanvSuperman #WBHomeEnt
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Changed his mind.
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"#WBHomeEnt"

Someone talked to him, haha.

Gleethor said:
Lol, after someone at WB had a chat with him I'm sure. Tweet almost seems facetious.
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That it does.

"EVERYONE will LOVE it". lol. Don't worry Fong, we understand. The truth isn't worth throwing a gig away over.
 
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Hagi

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I think he's locked in a closet somewhere and someone from WB is sitting at his computer. Pre-order TODAY! #BVS #WB #HELP
 
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CloudyTuba

Member
I definitely make sure to specify the business division when talking candidly about movies.

The extended cut really HELPs the movie and really impressed ME.
#WBHomeEnt
 
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ANDS

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Unless Jesse Eisenbergs Lex has been redone, what's the point. I can take the lazy JLA setup. I can take the lazy versus setup in BvS. I can even take the lame ass final boss. However Eisenbergs Lex is just so tonally off you wonder if Snyder knows the character at all.

Forgetting of course that Lex has all these resources at his disposal but he can't get smuggle a fucking rock into the country? What?
 
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Ashhong

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ANDS said:
Unless Jesse Eisenbergs Lex has been redone, what's the point. I can take the lazy JLA setup. I can take the lazy versus setup in BvS. I can even take the lame ass final boss. However Eisenbergs Lex is just so tonally off you wonder if Snyder knows the character at all.

Forgetting of course that Lex has all these resources at his disposal but he can't get smuggle a fucking rock into the country? What?
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Um, isn't that exactly what he did?
 
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