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Battlefield 3 PC Community Meetup
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
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Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Yeah, I totally agree.
CS does it right - splash page with rules that you need to read. If you skip them, tough luck. Spam on-screen, especially since we'll be in the server for countless hours, will get very annoying.
CS does it right - splash page with rules that you need to read. If you skip them, tough luck. Spam on-screen, especially since we'll be in the server for countless hours, will get very annoying.
Cuban Legend
Member
BF2 didn't have them, and BF3 isnt CS as far as i know, so even mentioning splash pages is pointless as a method to let the rules be known.Foliorum Viridum said:
you guys dont have many options if you want the server to have organizes rules that players can see.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
I'd go so far as to say if we can have one message like "Visit BF3GAF.blogspot.com for rules" (or whatever that blog address is) and it's on the player to tab out or use the Origin overlay to go have a quick read.
I mean, we're paying for this thing and all of GAF will know the rules. If pubbers have to spend 10 seconds to load up a site to ensure we don't have to spam ourselves, I'm all for that.
I mean, we're paying for this thing and all of GAF will know the rules. If pubbers have to spend 10 seconds to load up a site to ensure we don't have to spam ourselves, I'm all for that.
Cuban Legend
Member
i just got us http://bit.ly/BF3GAF + a few more preemptive ones
we can set it to redirect to any page we like as I've got control of it on bit.ly
click it to see it work
we can set it to redirect to any page we like as I've got control of it on bit.ly
click it to see it work
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
"Please visit http://bit.ly/BF3GAF to read the rules."
If that rotated every 10/15 mins I'd be okay with that. I view our server as one that will be "mature", maybe not so much because of the people playing on it, but because we're a close community that will respect the rules etc. If someone wants to play with us, reading a few quick rules at the top of our blog isn't really too much of an unfair request.
I honestly think it's the way to go in regards to server notifications.
If that rotated every 10/15 mins I'd be okay with that. I view our server as one that will be "mature", maybe not so much because of the people playing on it, but because we're a close community that will respect the rules etc. If someone wants to play with us, reading a few quick rules at the top of our blog isn't really too much of an unfair request.
I honestly think it's the way to go in regards to server notifications.
Cuban Legend
Member
if in the event that we do get a splash page available for our server...which is all up to DICE, we can make one that
-truncates the basic ruleset, whichever it may be.
-shows where to go for full rules/mumble VOIP server
also the server needs to have logs which we save every week or so into an archive, they should log both admin commands input into the CC as well as chat, basically i hope BF3 has a server log like BF2. we'll need it especially if someone wants to appeal a ban or if a ban needs investigation.
-do we need a small forum or something to setup ban appeals?
-regarding PB, it should be on and i've got some buddies who deal with Evenbalance who can get us setup for full PB Streaming if need be.
-truncates the basic ruleset, whichever it may be.
-shows where to go for full rules/mumble VOIP server
also the server needs to have logs which we save every week or so into an archive, they should log both admin commands input into the CC as well as chat, basically i hope BF3 has a server log like BF2. we'll need it especially if someone wants to appeal a ban or if a ban needs investigation.
-do we need a small forum or something to setup ban appeals?
-regarding PB, it should be on and i've got some buddies who deal with Evenbalance who can get us setup for full PB Streaming if need be.
So why should we even allow waiting for planes when you can spawn into them? The only time you will get them when on the ground is if its low pop. Otherwise people will spawn in faster than you could see it spawn and jump in.
I say we don't allow sitting in spawn waiting for planes. If someone does so, they get warned, kicked, then banned. Of course warned/kicked a lot more than normal. The spawn in jets is nice, and easily takes out any of the issues of tking on the ground waiting for the planes.
It could be one of those rules that if an admin is on, and its annoying (lots of guys waiting) then you take action.
I say we don't allow sitting in spawn waiting for planes. If someone does so, they get warned, kicked, then banned. Of course warned/kicked a lot more than normal. The spawn in jets is nice, and easily takes out any of the issues of tking on the ground waiting for the planes.
It could be one of those rules that if an admin is on, and its annoying (lots of guys waiting) then you take action.
Cuban Legend
Member
I'm glad you brought this up because this is an important issue...achapel said:
-anyone who just died using the jet last will have no problem spawning into the jet from the spawn screen FASTER than someone waiting on the ground.
-how do we ensure no one hogs the air vehicles continuously if there can't be a line system on the ground when we have 'spawn from death'?
-solution?: implement a long enough respawn time and shorten the jet respawn time so the last person to die in it cant skip line into it immediately after death. but that also brings a problem, the person can just wait out the re-spawn counter and wait for it to spawn and skip line anyway.
Therefore the only solution can be to remove spawning from the death-screen into UCB vehicles at the server-level, I think spawning into the jet actually is nice but is a problem that i hope can be toggled server-side. And TKing for vehicles shouldn't be an issue since as far as the vote is concerned the GAF server won't be hardcore.
I think a script could easily be made to handle spawning from the menu, much easier than anything related to actual in game stuff.Cuban Legend said:
If there is any capability of scripting, you have to know I will be on it and making stuff.
It could be really easy to setup a script that you could queue up for the plane, you say you want to spawn into it, even if it isn't destroyed and someone is using it, people can queue up, and when they die, if the plane is available and they are next in line (it would skip over those that are alive) you would be able to spawn into the plane and everyone else would have to wait. I think that would be awesome, and simple enough that you would get people to actually play the game and not just sit in the menu or in spawn.
Cuban Legend
Member
if you could get that kind of a script working it would be great, since then you could resolve all the aircraft line troubles that admins in organized BF2 servers had to deal with.achapel said:
until we see the possibilities to which we can stretch our BF3 server permissions, we'll have to deal with these issue somehow.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
This is from one of my fav CS servers:
http://www.abload.de/img/hl22011-10-1914-22-17-ouql.png
If it possible to do it, a pretty funky Photoshop job like that would be a great way of making the rules clear without cluttering the server
http://www.abload.de/img/hl22011-10-1914-22-17-ouql.png
If it possible to do it, a pretty funky Photoshop job like that would be a great way of making the rules clear without cluttering the server
Foliorum Viridum said:This is from one of my fav CS servers:
http://www.abload.de/img/hl22011-10-1914-22-17-ouql.png
If it possible to do it, a pretty funky Photoshop job like that would be a great way of making the rules clear without cluttering the server
That's basically what I had in mind. I'm not sure if BF3 will allow splash screens though. BC2 did, but that doesn't really mean anything at this point.
As for keeping people from spawning into the jets, I'm thinking forced spawning. We could time the jet respawn, and make the forced respawning just a little faster than that. Problem solved, along with a rule that only two people can camp the jets at any given time.
Someone mentioned a forum for ban resolution: I was thinking of just having people e-mail, unless you guys think a forum is a better idea. I'm not sure if blogger allows forum software on their servers (I'd have to check).
The basic format for the e-mail/forum post would be:
Battlelog name (this should give us the when):
Why were you banned:
What do you feel was unfair about the ban:
Any other comments:
etc
We've got this thread to discuss server matters, so I'm not sure we need an entire other forum (that people would need to sign up for). I think blogger may have a "send a comment to the author" widget, which we could use instead of having people e-mail as well.
Cuban Legend said:
That's one of the biggest questions I still have. I'm not sure how extensive the logging is going to be, if screenshots will be taken periodically, etc. Until we have scripts to handle some of the issues (like jet spawning, base raping, etc) it's all up to the admins to make judgement calls.
Foliorum Viridum said:
I don't think I've ever gone into a server and then alt-tabbed out to read the rules of that server (I'm also not the kind of person that gets banned though). I know it shouldn't be that much to ask of players, but I fear that they won't do it.
PjotrStroganov
Member
Mr. Snrub said:
I'd like to see spotting and kill cam turned off. Increased damage is not a prerequisite for me. It might be fun to alternate this with the vanilla mode.
Cuban Legend
Member
aww shiii, you remember the old FCW days? got damn i want to play on karkand and wake island and Sharqui again... SO BAD :drool:gillFTR said:
some of the founders of FCW and it's sister clan GtH are still active in BF2 and will be playing BF3, we should all get together sometime on one of their new BF3 servers or something.
Hell even the old BOX servers are pretty good, 24/7 Karkand infantry only, SO GOOD.
Cuban Legend
Member
that would be a nice alternative to the killcam.scogoth said:
All in all killcam and spotting off does make the game more focused on actually trying to visually spot someone instead of looking for orange triangles and pressing Q.
Killcam off makes you think about what lines of sight you were possibly engaged from when shot dead and forces you to actually use your head to find your killer by logicaly searching for where he could have shot you from.
Those two things i feel make the firefights much more intimate and visceral, though they can make them also seem frustrating at times.
If we do stray from vanilla we need to stick to a specific formula consistently, nothing worse than losing traffic because players were used to our server having something on when in their next visit they notice it's off, and vice versa.
scogoth said:
There was in the alpha (if we're talking about a cam that shows your dead corpse until you respawn). I have no idea if it will be in the retail game though.
Personally, I'd be all for turning off killcam if we can, but not spotting. If you see someone, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to quickly tell you team where they are in general terms (as long as it doesn't follow behind cover). I'd rather the spot went into a general area and not right over the persons head, but that's not something we can do anything about.
For a while though, I think we should probably just stay with vanilla settings. Once we have an idea of what can be improved upon, we can start making those changes.
PjotrStroganov
Member
scogoth said:
Stuff can also be used against other people. No spotting meant awesome stealthy gameplay in BC2. Infiltrating a base was so much more fun this way.
It seems it has been made much less powerful in the final game, so it may be the best of both worlds. I do hope tanks don't get lit up as much anymore as in the beta. It was as if, once spotted, the icon remained visible. No matter what cover was available.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Well to be honest most rules are common sense, anyway.LordCanti said:
If they don't read a quick list and break the rules? Tough luck. Get warned, then banned. It's not like there's a lack of people who will be playing!
Foliorum Viridum said:
As long as every player entering knows not to base rape, be a racist douche, or grief, we should be fine. That information can be displayed via text if we aren't allowed a splash screen. The full explanation of the rules can go on the blog.
On an unrelated note, I'm looking through blogspot's features, and I'm not seeing anywhere to upload forum files. We can't FTP them in, which kind of leaves embedding a forum script (that redirects to a third party website, potentially with ads) as the only option. We could also just dump blogspot altogether for a competitor (such as wordpress) that does have built in forum functionality.
Does anyone actually want to join another forum, just for ban resolution? I could list a ban resolution e-mail, and there is already a twitter account up on the blog. Is a forum necessary, when we've got this thread to discuss things and when admins will already be reachable through other means?
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Exactly. The reason why those rules that spam the servers are so annoying, other than the fact it takes up space and just looks ugly, is that nobody should need to be told "racism = ban" or "baseraping = ban". It's just common sense.LordCanti said:
I never read server rules, ever, and I do just fine. The only time I don't is when they have retarded rules like not using the noob tube in BC2 etc and then I don't want to play in those servers anyway.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Cuban told me he wants to roll with me and blind you constantly with the flashlight. You're too slow, bro.
Anton Sugar
Member
Okay, some server updates:
- 46 donors with $497.80 saved. This is taking into account that we have the server rented for one month already. This server is gonna be packed with GAF.
- Clanforge (Multiplay's server management tool) isn't available to us until October 25th. We MIGHT be able to get access on the 24th, as that's when they'll be setting the servers up
- Mumble server will be available on the 25th, but we haven't received any information other than this. We'll keep you posted
Cuban Legend
Member
someone should post a screen of that BF3CC in here, we need to compare admin apps once they ll are out for us to see.
Only the best for GAF.
Only the best for GAF.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
That looks pretty funky.
I remember the admin tools we had when my clan bought a CS server... it was like a glorified FTP, basically. That looks much better!
I remember the admin tools we had when my clan bought a CS server... it was like a glorified FTP, basically. That looks much better!